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Giuliano Cecchinelli is 79 years old, has a gray beard, a brown plaid shirt and a floppy beret, and is a classically trained sculptor. He’s been carving stone since he was a boy in Italy.

“I know more than even the cemetery knows,” he says as he walks through Hope Cemetery in Barre. “You know, the family, the workers.”

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Giuliano points out a detailed carving on a tombstone. He says that long ago, carvers were so skilled that they specialized; one man did the flowers, another the lettering.

He’s part of a long legacy of Italian stone carvers in Barre, craftsmen whose skill transformed an industry and made the small central Vermont town the “Granite Capital of the World.”

Hope Cemetery was established here at the turn of the 20th century, when the first Italian stone carvers moved to town. Many of them are buried here, under monuments they created.

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“Those carvers way back then, they really had it,” Giuliano says while pointing at a tombstone. “They knew what the hell they were doing. Look at the ripples, they look much more realistic than the real thing!”

The stone carvers came from northern Italy, where there have been marble quarries for thousands of years. These craftsmen were the best in the world.

And in the late 1800s, some of them moved to southern Vermont, to work in the burgeoning marble industry in Proctor. 

Then granite began to be quarried in Barre, and some of those sculptors moved again. The industry took off, and stonecutters, sculptors, and quarrymen flocked to Barre from all over Europe.

A hundred years ago, immigrants made up almost half of Barre’s population, and the majority of them were from Italy.

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Silicosis is caused by particles of stone dust that become lodged in the lungs. Before workplaces were properly ventilated, silicosis plagued Barre’s stone carvers. This monument marks the grave of Louis Brusa, a master stone carver.

In Hope Cemetery, I ask Giuliano if there are any old tombstones he’s partial to.

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“Oh sure,” he says, “a lot of them. Matter of fact [if] we walk there, we’ll see one of the most famous ones, you know, Elia Corti, the guy who got shot at the Labor Hall.”

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The Italian stone workers who came to Barre more than a century ago brought their families, their values, and their way of life. They built a neighborhood in the north end of town, made wine during Prohibition, established a mutual aid society and built the Socialist Labor Party Hall.

In 1903, a man named Elia Corti was shot there. Now he sits in Hope Cemetery on a block of granite, chin in his hand, with the tools of his trade nearby.

Giuliano points them out. “He was a sculptor,” he says. “Look at the pneumatic tool… a compass. That’s a caliper.”

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In the early 20th century, Barre was a booming industry town. Thousands of workers spent their days making monuments. The railroad chugged into town to take them around the country. And stone dust filled the air: Back then, many of the sculptors developed silicosis, a disease caused by the particles that gathered in their lungs.

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Elia Corti was a stone carver who died in a dispute between anarchists and socialists at the Barre Labor Hall in 1903. He’s surrounded by the tools of his trade, and the broken column under his elbow represents a life cut short.

Giuliano points to another sculpture — it shows a man slumped back, with his eyes closed. A woman stands next to him, her hand on his chest.

“There’s the Brusa monument,” he says. “The guy is dying of silica.”

But all this happened a long time ago. Barre is no longer the bustling industry town it once was. The granite industry has modernized and consolidated. The flood of immigrants turned into a trickle, and eventually stopped. The Italian sculptors have died, or retired, or moved away. And Giuliano is the only one left.

Descended from 20 generations of stone carvers

Giuliano lives in a brown house north of Barre. Art covers the walls and statues line the shelves. The coffee table in his living room is covered with bouquets of dried flowers.

We sit down in the kitchen, and he shows me his hands.

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“See, they’re all deformed, see each finger, they’re all different, there are calluses all over,” he says. “But I mean what do you expect, you know?”

These hands have been carving stone for almost 70 years.

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The walls of Giuliano’s house in Barre are covered with art, and there are small statues all over the place. The dining room table is covered with flowers, which Giuliano brings back from his walks. They remind him of his wife, who loved wildflowers.

He started as a boy in Carrara, Italy, a city on the Tuscan coast famous for its marble. Michelangelo himself used to source stone there. There are open quarries in the mountains there that make them look like they’re covered with snow.

“Whenever I go back, what I miss is — you ride in the car, and you see these great huge mountains, marble all over. You feel so overwhelmed, ’cause no matter where you go, you see it,” he says.

Many of the craftsmen who came to Barre around the turn of the century were from Carrara. The town is renowned for its stone carvers. Giuliano’s father worked in marble, and his grandfather before that.

“We go about 20 generations back or more,” Giuliano says.

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At age 11, Giuliano went to art school. For his first assignment in sculpture, he was told to make a cube.

“They give you a rough piece of stone, so naturally you get two straight edges, and then you make a parallel,” he says. “Then once you got one plane, you take a measurement, and you mark it, then you make a square. Make your surface, and then you understand the planes.”

He says he had a natural ability to see these planes, the invisible grid that governs the laws of perspective, proportion, light and shadow.

“In art school, I had a professor and he said, ‘I wish I had your eyes,’” Giuliano says.

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Giuliano points to a photo of his father, Alberto Cecchinelli.

Over the next few years, he learned the fundamentals of religious sculpture and the essentials of portraiture — the anatomy of a hand, the taper of a perfect column.

In 1959, when Giuliano was a teenager, his father was offered a job at the Vermont Marble Company. He took it, and two years later, Giuliano and his mother joined him. Just like the first Italian stone carvers almost 100 years before, they made the move from northern Italy to southern Vermont.

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“I had no say, let’s put it this way, to come here,” Giuliano says. “I just followed my family because I was underage, I was 17.”

He left Carrara behind, and after eight seasick days on a ship called the Christopher Columbus, he found himself in the small Vermont town of Proctor.

He learned English, and spent the next few years going to high school. In the afternoons and over the summers, he worked alongside his dad at the Vermont Marble Company.

Giuliano graduated from Proctor high school in 1964. Next to his photo in the yearbook, he included a quote. It says: “The glory and good of art.”

‘A genius, not just a sculptor’

When you walk into the warehouse at Buttura & Gherardi Granite Artisans in Barre, workers transform hunks of granite into headstones. They cut them to size, engrave them, lift them with harnesses and move them from place to place.

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Past the production line, under the bright light of a floor lamp, is where you’ll find the last Italian stone carver in Barre.

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A collection of photos from Giuliano’s childhood. They show him as a boy in Italy (top right), at art school (center), and on the way to the United States (bottom left).

Giuliano is bent over a piece of stone, with a tool in his hand. He wields it like an extension of himself, and a face begins to emerge from the granite: a chin, a nose, two eyes. He’s carving a small bust, about 5 inches tall.

He usually works on commission, carving flowers, praying hands, and religious figures for tombstones. Sometimes, like today, he’ll come in just to tinker. The stone in front of him is a scrap piece of granite, leftover from a headstone.

“They’re making things, but me, I see the lines,” he says. “I make it a whole different thing.”

After Giuliano graduated from Proctor High School, he worked for a brief time at the Vermont Marble Company. But he says they asked him to do things below the skill level he’d shown them, so he quit.

“Me, I said, ‘forward yes, but backward never,’” Giuliano says. “So I called a friend of my father that lived in Barre, and I says, ‘Can you find a spot for me?’ He says, ‘Oh yeah, no problem.’”

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Giuliano got a job at what was then called Buttura and Sons, and just like Vermont’s very first Italian stone carvers in the late 1800s, he and his father made the move from Proctor to Barre and from marble to granite.

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Giuliano was in his early 20s when he graduated from Proctor High School in 1964.

When he first arrived here, Giuliano was 22, the youngest Italian stone carver in town.

“All the Italians, we used to gather… We used to go downtown, sit around, and talk,” he remembers. “Today, it doesn’t work that way, because there isn’t that many Italians any longer.”

By the time Giuliano moved here in the mid ’60s, the Italian population in Barre was on the decline. It’s only dwindled further in the years since. And the granite industry has changed.

More from Vermont Public: ‘Extremely Busy’: Amid The Pandemic, Barre’s Granite Industry Booms

Mark Gherardi owns the company where Giuliano works, and bought it in 2000.

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“In the ’70s, it was probably 35 or so manufacturers in the greater Barre area,” he says. “And now there’s, you know, about maybe a little more than half of that.”

He says manufacturers have gotten bigger, and fulfill more orders. Automation and computers have reduced the amount of labor they need to run. Sculpture isn’t as popular as it used to be, and there aren’t many people left who know how to do it.

“We can do certain things on automated equipment, but we can’t get that human element that a sculptor, a true good sculptor, can get,” Gherardi says. “So we understand that we’re going to lose an art unless we can find some younger people to come into it.”

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Giuliano with a bust he made of former president Lyndon B. Johnson.

He doesn’t know what he’ll do when Giuliano’s gone.

In the first few years Mark Gherardi worked with Giuliano, they got a commission for a monument for a young man who’d died. The family wanted a bust, and sent some photos to go by.

“He got done the portrait and we’re all looking at it saying, ‘Wow, he did a super job.’ And we had the people fly in to look at it,” Gherardi remembers. “And it was a mother and daughter, and they looked at it, and they were talking, and they’re going back and forth, and we’re wondering, ‘Oh, what’s going on here?’ And he says, ‘Well, do you like it?’ And she said, ‘It’s him. But my son had happy eyes, not sad eyes.”

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Gherardi says he wasn’t sure that fix could be made. But: “Giuliano said, ‘Give me 20 minutes.’ And we all walked away for 20 minutes. And we came back, and he created happy eyes from sad eyes.”

Gherardi adds: “That’s when I really knew that this guy was a genius, not just a sculptor.”

The last Italian stone carver in Barre

When the landline in Giuliano’s kitchen rings, he answers.

“Matter of fact, I’m giving an interview now,” he tells the caller. He hangs up, and sits back down at the kitchen table. He resumes flipping through a three-ring binder of photographs and newspaper clippings.

One photo shows Giuliano in the ’80s, with long hair and his signature beret, standing next to the model he made for the Italian-American stonecutter monument in downtown Barre.

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Another shows him with his interpretation of Mr. Pickwick, the Charles Dickens character, which stands outside the library.

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Giuliano was inspired to carve Mr. Pickwick while reading “The Pickwick Papers” in high school. The final sculpture stands outside the public library in downtown Barre.

Giuliano’s parents moved back to Italy decades ago, but he stayed here in Barre. He fell in love, got married, and had three children. He became well-known in town. His skill gained renown in the granite industry.

He says he sometimes misses the huge, marble-topped mountains of Carrara. And he wonders, sometimes, what he’s doing here, and what would have happened if he’d gone somewhere else. But, he stayed.

“I’m a person that takes whatever is in front of you,” he says. “It isn’t that you dream, or you want to be. You take things as they come along and you try to make the best of it.”

Giuliano lives alone in this house, with the art on the walls, the statues on the shelves. His wife, Julia, died in 2015. His children have grown, and his health isn’t what it used to be. He could have quit working years ago.

“But what can I say. Carving or sculpting is everything to me,” he says. “I don’t know — that’s it. If something happened [and] they stopped quarrying the granite, I mean what would I do?”

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And as the decades passed, the youngest Italian stone carver in Barre became the last. There are others with Italian heritage working with granite, but as far as Giuliano knows, he’s living in the final sentence of a story that began more than a century ago.

“I don’t know how long I’ll still be doing it,” he says. “As long as I get up in the morning, I go to work.”

‘I make the best of the happening’

Hope Cemetery is just down the road from Giuliano’s house. There are more than 10,000 monuments here, but just like you can identify someone’s handwriting, you can tell which sculptures are his.

“I got landscapes, I got portraitures, I got religious figures, I got about everything. It’s all the profession that I learned and now I put them to use,” he says.

He walks over to a rough-hewn stone, where a young man in an army uniform sits with a cigarette. The figure of a young woman emerges from its smoke. They are carved in perfect detail, from the gaze of their eyes to the folds of their clothes. And if it weren’t for the gray granite color of their skin, you might think they were alive.

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Giuseppe Donati came to Vermont with Giuliano’s father to work at the Vermont Marble Company. Giuliano carved this stone for him, based on an image he saw on a postcard.

Giuliano made this for a stone worker named Giuseppe Donati.

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“He came to this country with my father back in 1959,” Giuliano says. “But you see how realistic? Just like, I got that certain eye for it, you know.”

He walks around, pointing out his other work. A granite biplane; a young woman in the arms of an angel; a giant pair of hands holding a bouquet of flowers.

He walks over to a stone that shows a man and a woman in long coats, standing pressed together. His arm is around her, and she’s leaning into him. It’s made from a piece of granite that was cut wrong, and would have been discarded.

“I believe this is the best tombstone that there is in the whole damn cemetery,” he says. “Because it’s an original thing. It’s a happening. And I make the best of the happening.”

He points out his own tombstone, which he made a few years ago. It’s unlike any of the others in Hope Cemetery. It’s rough-hewn, and shows his wife, Julia, as a little girl, seated barefoot next to Giuliano as a young man, who’s dragging a bundle of sticks.

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“It’s my life, and her life also,” he says. “Matter of fact, I got her ashes in the living room, that’s why I’ve got flowers all over the house.”

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Giuliano’s own tombstone is prominently displayed in Hope Cemetery. He says it tells the story of his life.

“Do you believe in God?” I ask him, this man who’s spent his life carving cemetery monuments.

“To tell you the truth, no,” he says. “I’m God. You’re God. Everybody’s God. Try to explain who’s God. God. Piece of grass is God. A bush. A flower. It’s all created by nature, and nature is God.”

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Giuliano hates it when people wash the tombstones here. He prefers the dirt and lichen that slowly come to cover them, and give depth to the carvings. If it’s left untouched, his own stone will darken with age and exposure. Maybe 100 years from now, a tour guide will point to it and say, “That was the last Italian stone carver in Barre.”

But as far as Giuliano’s concerned, he doesn’t want to be remembered for anything. Like all the others before him, he’s left his mark.

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“It’s all a story, just like what you’re doing, you’re making a story of me!” he says. “It’s a story, that’s all.” ■

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From the archives

Vermont Public has been home to multiple programs that explore the past and present of Barre’s granite industry.

In 1979, Vermont Public Radio produced “The Blood of Barre,” an audio documentary about quarrying, socialist politics and the lives of stone carvers.

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Full audio: “The Blood of Barre”

The 2008 documentary film “If Stone Could Speak,” broadcast on Vermont PBS, follows artisans and their families from quarries, workshops and schools in Italy to granite carving sheds in New England.

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‘Old-fashioned taxpayer revolt:’ While Vermont legislators talk education funding solutions, school budgets fail

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FRANKLIN COUNTY — This week, the Vermont House passed H.887, or the Yield Bill. It’s routine legislation, but this year, it’s anything but ordinary. 

The legislature passes such a bill annually to set the education tax rate for the upcoming fiscal year. But now, if H.887 passes the senate and gets the governor’s approval, rates will increase 15 or 18% on July 1 depending on your property type. 

State officials argue that much of an increase is needed because education spending as a whole in Vermont is up an estimated 18%. Why? Major cost variables include overdue renovations to school buildings, an increased need for student mental health support and competitive pay for teachers to help with recruitment and retention.  

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Meanwhile, this past Town Meeting Day, the majority of school districts in Franklin County failed to get voter-approval of their fiscal year 2025 budgets. Maple Run Unified School District was successful, but only by 55 votes, the closest margin in the district’s history. 

“I think what we’re seeing here is an old-fashioned taxpayer revolt,” Rep. Carolyn Branagan (R-Georgia) told the Messenger. “People are trying to send the legislature a message that they don’t have any more money.” 

But is anyone in Montpelier listening? 

In Branagan’s opinion, her committee, House Ways and Means, should have found more ways in H.887 to boost the state education fund while alleviating the strain on taxpayers. 

“To my great regret, we didn’t put any structural reform in that bill,” Branagan said. “There’s no long-term cost containment.” 

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What’s in the Yield Bill 

What is in the bill, besides the new tax rates, are two new tax increases and the creation of the Commission on the Future of Education. To be made up of the Secretary of Education, five legislators, three superintendents, representatives from the Vermont-NEA and others, the commission is expected to study educational delivery and methods to fund it. 

The commission will report its findings and recommendations to the legislature in December 2025. Rep. Ashley Bartley (R-Fairfax) said this isn’t a solution; it only kicks the can further down the road. 

“I’ve come to recognize a pattern; both the House and Senate often opt to form commissions or conduct studies rather than tackling difficult or contentious issues head-on,” she told the Messenger. “These studies remain on the wall collecting dust.”

The Yield Bill, as passed by the House, also proposes two new taxes. The “cloud tax” will add Vermont’s 6% sales tax to software downloaded over the Internet, and an additional 1.5% tax to short-term rentals. Together, those two taxes are estimated to raise $27 million annually for the education fund. 

On the House floor Wednesday, Rep. Casey Toof (R-St. Albans Town) proposed allowing those new taxes for one year only, as he thinks they are not long-term solutions. 

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“By putting a sunset on these two taxes…we’ll send a message to this commission that they need to come up with a solution fast,” Toof said. “We owe it to our property taxpayers and we owe it to our students.” 

The Yield Bill passed; Toof’s amendment did not. It now heads to the Senate. 

What voters are saying 

In the last two months, both Georgia and Fairfax’s school budgets for the upcoming year have failed twice. They’ll each make third attempts to pass budgets – Georgia on May 2 and Fairfax on June 4. 

John Tague, superintendent of the Franklin West Supervisory Union (to which both schools belong), said the increases to the Georgia Elementary and Middle School and BFA-Fairfax budgets this year primarily stem from a 16% jump in health insurance costs for staff. 

Beyond that, the budgets are “fiscally responsible,” he said, while still providing important instructional opportunities and extracurricular activities. 

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But many voters want to see more substantial cuts, hoping to bring down those expected tax increases without help from the legislature. 

“We are retired and this is our home, and it is not that we don’t want the best for our school and community, but we can’t afford all this spending,” Fairfax resident Dawn Rabideau said. “People are struggling now. Why make it even harder?” 

“If I have to make significant cuts in my life, then I expect to see the same in the schools,” Fairfax resident Lucas Coon said. 

For the revote on May 2, the Georgia school board heard similar concerns and is pitching staffing changes that eliminate a further $247,775 from the $17 million budget. The new proposal eliminates a custodian, library paraprofessional and two other paraprofessionals. 

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Georgia resident and PTO secretary Jessica Denton supported the initial budget on Town Meeting Day and disagrees with these new cuts. 

“Education is foundational,” she said. “I value the education GEMS provides our youth. …What happens when we cut roles, as we have this round, is we struggle to get them back.” 

Over in Fairfax, the school board has published a survey to gather feedback from voters on its budget. Board chair Tammy Revoir said only 11 people showed up to its latest informational meeting, so the board hopes the survey will gather more voices and provide a jumping off point for potential solutions. 

“Our next meeting, we’ll look at the results of the survey and the administration will come in with proposals of places they are willing to take a risk, and we’ll have a discussion,” Revoir said. “There’s nothing easy to cut…but we’re going to have to.” 

Some Fairfax voters feel especially pinched because they approved a $36 million bond last year to make needed renovations to BFA-Fairfax. Voters will be paying off the bond for the next 30 years, adding further increases to their property taxes. 

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Still others will support the school no matter the cost. 

“Am I a huge fan of both the bond and a $19 million budget? No, but we are talking kids,” Fairfax resident Russ Crowe said. “I feel we have to support the schools.”

Early solutions 

So what’s the solution? 

Many towns across Franklin County and the state would benefit from their grand lists being re-appraised. In Vermont, the Common Level of Appraisal ensures people contribute fairly to the state’s education fund based on the assessed value of their home. 

Problem is, a strong real estate market in Vermont has many homes’ fair market value set higher than they are appraised for in the town’s books. A CLA number less than 100% indicates property is generally listed for less than its fair market value. In St. Albans City, for example, the CLA is 64%. In Georgia, it’s 73%.

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“Even if the school board does a good job and doesn’t have a lot of new spending, property tax payers are still going to have to pay a high tax because of the CLA,” Branagan said. 

Some voters, like Christine Galuszka of Georgia, understand that predicament, and aren’t faulting the school board for the hike in taxes. 

“Knowing that the largest part of the budget increase is beyond the control of our board, I believe they are doing the best that they can to keep spending reasonable,” she said. 

Towns do have money from the state to pay for these reassessments, but because of the high demand, assessors are booking years out. 

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In the statehouse, some legislators are hoping that Commission on the Future of Education will bring new funding ideas to the table next year. Others, like Branagan, already have some potential suggestions. 

After doing some of her own research, she’s interested in re-evaluating the Agency of Education’s class size standards. Adding more students to each classroom could have educational and cost-saving advantages. 

Bartley wants to see fewer unfunded education mandates like Universal School Meals and driver’s education, which place additional strain on the state education fund and individual school budgets. 

At a St. Albans City Council meeting earlier this year, Rep. Mike McCarthy (D-St. Albans City) alluded to further school consolidation as a solution, as the state’s smallest schools take sizable bites out of the state education fund. 

“I think we can figure out for ourselves what the taxpayers want and what direction we should go,” Branagan said.

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Vermont House passes bill that would expedite New Americans' access to education grants

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The Vermont House on Thursday passed a bill that expands educational opportunities for refugees and other New Americans.

The legislation eliminates a one-year residency requirement for individuals to be eligible for grants from the Vermont Student Assistance Corporation.

New Americans is a term that refers to recent arrivals in Vermont or other states. Last year, an estimated 500 refugees relocated to Vermont.

More from Vermont Public: Who’s a ‘New American’? Unpacking the phrase and its use in Vermont

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House Education Chair Rep. Peter Conlon, a Democrat from Addison County, told his colleagues that the grants will make it possible for residents to immediately begin their workforce training.

“Vermont needs 10,000 more people tomorrow to fill open jobs, and there’s no way to accomplish that without immigration — to help our New Americans see Vermont as a place that is willing to invest in them and help them lay down roots that will benefit us all for years to come,” Conlon said.

More from Vermont Public: New Americans in Vermont could access education grants sooner under new legislation

Advocates who work with refugees in Vermont said the current one-year residency requirement delays access to opportunities that can help New Americans thrive in their new communities.

The bill has already passed the Senate.

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April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

In 2022, Vermont law enforcement officials reported 233 incidents of rape and 238 related offenses to the FBI. Though because not all sexual assault crimes are reported, those figures are likely under-representative.

But survivors are not alone. For the past half-century, Burlington-based HOPE Works has provided counsel and resources to survivors of sexual violence. The nonprofit is celebrating its 50th anniversary this month.

Natania Carter is the executive director of HOPE Works, and she joined Vermont Public’s Jenn Jarecki to discuss the anniversary. This piece was produced for the ear. We highly recommend listening to the audio, if you’re able. We’ve also provided a written version.

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Jenn Jarecki: 50 years is impressive. Talk to us about how HOPE Works first got started.

Natania Carter: Our founders were this group of women who literally took over a switchboard on the UVM campus and realized that there was a need for survivors to be able to call in. It was a switchboard that was around women’s health, and within that, there was nowhere for survivors of any type of sexual violence to speak up and have a space to just talk without their veracity being questioned. Even now, there are very few spaces where survivors can talk about one of their most vulnerable moments without it becoming about victim blaming, about safety planning, about what could have or could not have been done and how believable or truthful they are.

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Natania Carter, the executive director of HOPE Works, located in Burlington.

Jenn Jarecki: I’m curious, Natania, what do you think, how has the landscape for the work that HOPE Works does changed in the last 50 years?

Natania Carter: I think a lot of education around consent has come through. I know it’s scary around these times because of so many rights being taken away from folks, our abilities to make decisions about our bodies — which is not only just gender — that moves across so many people trying to make the right decisions about their body in having to navigate other… I don’t know if I’m allowed to say this, I’m sorry, but other people’s ethical or moral beliefs.

But at the same time, what I will say is that education around consent — watching parents now literally tell people, ‘No, my 3-year-old does not want to hug you,’ it brightens my outlook on what comes next. We always fall into this idea that we have to teach the youth and the youth, but I’m like actually, prevention, education, consent really also is, it needs to be available for adults also, adults need to engage in these services because it is highly unlikely that we know everything that we should know when it comes to sustaining healthy relationships.

Jenn Jarecki: The past 50 years haven’t all gone smoothly for HOPE Works. In 2019, the entire eight person staff resigned over actions the board was considering taking with the organization’s land. Staffers posted online that it was part of a long-term effort to counteract intolerance, racism and homophobia among organization leaders. I’m hoping you can talk to us about the lasting impacts of those departures on the organization.

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Natania Carter: All things can be true. So, here’s all the things that I can tell you I have observed. One, it really — for those who understood what they were standing up for, they still showed up for survivors even if it meant it was one person for more than a month holding down that hotline by themselves. And then honoring, doing my best to honor the sacrifice also at the same time of those who left. So, really working hard to prove that organizations — and it doesn’t matter if they’re nonprofit or municipalities, it doesn’t matter — trying to prove that dismantling white supremacist practices in organizations is possible. And though it won’t look the way that people want it to look, if we do it, though, then that means every single individual will be seen as a person and not as a cog for productivity purposes, meaning that we’ll be able to hold space for them when they’re struggling, and in our work, vicarious trauma is real.

Jenn Jarecki: Tonight marks the annual Take Back the Night event. Natania, can you tell us more about that?

HOPE Works is hosting their annual Take Back the Night event on April 25.

HOPE Works is hosting their annual Take Back the Night event on April 25.

Natania Carter: Yes! This event is to stand with survivors. It happens every year, the fourth Thursday of April, Sexual Violence Awareness Month. We start out at the Royale Tyler Theatre on the UVM campus. At 5 o’clock we march down — well, they rally, and then they march down to City Hall, down Church Street, Contois [Auditorium]. And after that, around 6:30, we start a speak out, and people can show up as themselves. They can bring every part of themselves except their profession. They leave their profession at the door, because the only way to honor a survivor who may want to share their experiences is to honor their confidentiality, and we will escort people out if you bring your profession. But other than that, people who support survivors can come, survivors are welcome to come. And that is usually from 6:30 to 8:30 or until the candles blow out, basically. Until there’s no one — there’s nothing left for anyone to say.

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