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Why it might take Pennsylvania and Wisconsin longer to count ballots than other states

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While the nation’s eyes Tuesday night will be on a handful of swing states expected to determine the outcome of the 2024 presidential election, it may not be known for days who won Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. State laws governing when ballots can be processed in those states may mean a repeat of 2020, when it wasn’t until the Saturday after the election that Pennsylvania’s results gave Democratic nominee Joe Biden the votes needed to secure a majority in the Electoral College.

In response to that days-long wait, many states overhauled their election laws to make it faster to count vote by mail, absentee and overseas ballots. While Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are often lumped with Michigan in the “blue wall” of Rust Belt swing states, they now differ in one important way: Michigan allows election workers to begin tabulating mailed-in ballots more than a week before Election Day, though the results cannot be revealed until after the polls close.

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But the state legislatures in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have not made similar changes to election procedures and experts expect their results to come in later than Michigan, or the other swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina.

The Keystone and Badger states each prohibit election officials from beginning to open and count absentee ballots until 7 a.m. Election Day, when they must also deal with in-person voting.

The Pennsylvania State Secretary’s office describes it this way on its website: “Hundreds of thousands – sometimes millions – of mail ballots are cast in every election, and current state law does not permit counties to begin opening these ballots until 7 a.m. on Election Day. That means county election officials cannot even remove the ballots from the envelopes and prepare them to be scanned until that time – on a day when those same officials are also running more than 9,000 polling places across the state.”

No preprocessing of vote by mail or absentee ballots

According to the Brennan Center for Justice, 43 states allow pre-processing of mail-in ballots, which includes verifying the voter’s information and eligibility on the mail ballot envelope, opening the envelope, and removing the ballot.

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Carolina Lopez, executive director of the Partnership for Large Election Jurisdictions, said the inability to do preprocessing doesn’t mean Pennsylvania or Wisconsin are slow, has fraud or that there is any problem with their procedures.

“Not every state is created equal, right? So if you’re from Florida, you’re going to get results a little quicker, simply because we have 22 days of pre-processing,” she said. “If you’re in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, by law, they’re not allowed to start until Election Day. So it’s just a quick numbers game. It doesn’t mean that Florida is more efficient or less efficient than some of their counterparts. It just means that the laws are a little different.” 

‘People have to be patient’

Local election clerks in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have repeatedly pushed state lawmakers since 2020 to allow preprocessing, said Lawrence Norden, Vice President of the Elections & Government Program at the Brennan Center for Justice. 

In “Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, the election officials have been begging for years, and certainly since 2020, to allow them to process mail ballots earlier, the way they do in most of the other battleground states, so that on election night they just press a button and can have the results. Their state legislatures wouldn’t do it,” he said.

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Because the state legislatures didn’t act, local officials have sought to solve the problem on their own.

In Pennsylvania, the Democratic-controlled House and Republican-controlled Senate couldn’t agree on a bill that would allow early processing. Republicans wanted to tie it to expanded voter ID requirements, Democrats refused. When Republicans controlled both chambers in 2021 they expanded voter ID requirements, and the Democratic governor vetoed it.

Pennsylvania has made improvements since 2020, and it is not expected to take until the weekend to count all the ballots this time. County election directors have now had multiple cycles working with vote-by-mail and have received millions of dollars through a state-funded grant program that allowed some to purchase machines to help more quickly open and sort mailed ballots.

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Abigail Gardner, a spokesperson for the Allegheny County government, said staff are expecting up to 250,000 absentee ballots and about 450,000 in-person votes. She said vote counting might be faster than it was in 2020 because they are expecting fewer absentee ballots, and they have brought on more staff and purchased high-speed envelope openers.

In Wisconsin, where Republicans control both chambers of the legislature, a Republican-led effort to allow for early canvassing stalled in the Senate in February. The state Assembly had passed a bill in November that would allow election workers to begin processing absentee ballots the day before an election. The Democratic governor had said he would sign the bill if it reached him.

Local election officials can choose to count vote-by-mail ballots either at the ballot locations or at a central location. Most of the larger jurisdictions have chosen central locations and have bought high-speed machines to speed up processing, Marge Bostelmann, member of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, told USA TODAY. 

“It may be a little quicker, but it really all depends on how quickly the ballots can be input and how quickly the machine will read them after they’re put into the machine,” Bostelmann said.

In Wisconsin, over 1.2 million absentee and vote by mail ballots had already been received as of Oct. 31, according to the state Elections Commission. In 2020, Wisconsin’s result was called by the Associated Press around 2 p.m. the day after the election. Multiple state election officials have warned that it could be the middle of the night, or sometime Wednesday before the mail-in ballots are counted.

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Jay Heck, executive director of the good-government watchdog Common Cause in Wisconsin, said in-person voting in his state is expected to be counted before midnight on Election Day. But tabulating absentee ballots for the combined unofficial results could take until 2 a.m., he said.

“People have to be patient,” Heck said.

In 2020, Trump declared victory before the votes were all counted

Last time, then-President Donald Trump, who is again the Republican nominee in 2024, didn’t wait for the mail-in votes to be counted: he declared victory while he was ahead because his supporters had been more likely to vote in person. Then, he made false accusations of late-night “ballot dumps” of illegal votes when the mail-in ballots had been counted and added to the totals, something that in many states occurred in the middle of the night.

When the final vote count showed Biden winning Pennsylvania by about 80,000 votes, Trump claimed without evidence the election was being stolen from him in the state. Trump also claimed fraud when Biden won Wisconsin by 20,700 votes.

Polls have consistently shown a very tight race between Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris in every swing state, including Wisconsin, where Trump leads Harris 48% to 47% according to a late October USA TODAY/Suffolk University poll, and Pennsylvania, where Trump leads by less than 1 percentage point in the FiveThirtyEight polling average.

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Trump has told his rallies to expect a big victory on Tuesday, saying Oct. 30 he could only envision losing “if it was a corrupt election.”

“If there are tens of millions of people who believe that this election can only be won by one candidate, you can imagine the shock that might occur if that candidate loses, and the way that could be leveraged into anger and potentially violence in the post election period,” David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, said.

‘Just don’t have the money or the staffing’

In Pennsylvania, there is the added wrinkle that some people vote by mail in place of early in person voting. Many counties without early voting allow people to apply in person for a vote by mail ballot, then they can fill it out and immediately drop in off.

As of Oct. 31, nearly 2.2 million absentee and vote by mail ballots had already been received, according to the state.

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Data from Pennsylvania shows that while Republicans are increasing voting by mail, they are still outnumbered substantially by the number of Democrats.

Widener University Political Science Professor Wesley Leckrone, an expert on Pennsylvania politics, said he expects the larger population centers to process those ballots quickly because they have the money to hire staff. His concern is the surrounding high-population suburban counties that are key to determining the winner won’t be able to process results Tuesday and it could be later in the week before the outcome is known.

“There’s a lot of counties that just don’t have the money or the staffing to be able to do this,” he said. “It could well be Trump will be up at 10 o’clock on Tuesday night but not all the mail in ballots have been brought in.”



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Pennsylvania ends attempt at CO2 regulation, leaving questions on how to address climate change

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The six-year battle over Pennsylvania’s attempt to curb climate pollution has ended with a few lines of legislation in the latest state budget.

Gov. Josh Shapiro and Democrats agreed to repeal the regulation that allows Pennsylvania to participate in the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative in order to pass the overdue state budget.

Republican lawmakers have long been opposed to RGGI. They repeatedly voted on bills to overturn the program and took the issue to court.

Nothing will practically change in Pennsylvania as a result of the repeal, but RGGI supporters and observers said the state is giving up the potential for significant climate action.

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“The state has just lost the most immediate lever it could pull, and which would’ve done so in a significant, unprecedented way in Pennsylvania history to cut climate pollution, create jobs, and lower people’s electricity bills,” said Robert Routh, Pennsylvania policy lead for the Natural Resources Defense Council.

The budget deal also leaves several questions about how and whether the state will address climate change and the legal avenues that are available.

Lost opportunity

RGGI is a collaborative effort between ten Northeastern and Mid-Atlantic states to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from the electricity sector. It requires power plants to pay for each ton of carbon dioxide they emit.

With an added cost to pollute under RGGI, burning fossil fuels becomes more expensive and sources with no emissions, such as wind and solar, are more competitive.

Pennsylvania is a major energy state. It’s the second-largest gas-producing state, the top electricity exporter, and emits the fourth-largest amount of carbon dioxide in the country. Pennsylvania’s RGGI rule marked the first time a large fossil fuel producer put a price on carbon.

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Carbon dioxide traps heat in the atmosphere. Climate scientists agree emissions must be cut dramatically and quickly to avoid the worst effects of climate change, which include heat waves, increased precipitation, and flooding.

Many opponents to joining RGGI argued that the program would prematurely kill coal-fired power plants, cost the state jobs, stifle its energy economy, and raise electricity bills.

But plant closures and higher bills have come without RGGI participation, and the state hasn’t raised any additional money that could be used to ease those problems.

“ Pennsylvania coal plants are going to shut down regardless of whether we enter RGGI or not,” said Akshaya Jha, an assistant professor of economics and public policy at Carnegie Mellon University.

Now, as projected power demands are growing because of a rise in data centers and other uses, Jha said the economics suggest more gas plants and renewable energy projects will be built.

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Penn State professor Seth Blumsack, who has studied the impact of RGGI in Pennsylvania, said joining the program mattered a lot to people who care about climate emissions and local air quality.

“If you’re not going to join RGGI, what are you going to do?” he said.

Blumsack co-authored a paper that found RGGI would benefit Pennsylvania’s energy economy overall and lead to improved health outcomes. The report also found electricity prices would rise, but the amount of money raised through the auctions would be more than enough to offset those costs.

Now that RGGI is off the table, Blumsack said the state still needs to answer questions of how to deal with pollution from the electricity sector, as well as growing power demands and electricity bills.

Jha said regional efforts, such as RGGI, can have more of an impact on emissions than local efforts, which is important for tackling the global problem of climate change.

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“We’ve got a loss of opportunity for regional collaboration on an important issue and it’s not clear that this would’ve had substantial costs on Pennsylvania, on Pennsylvanian residents, or even Pennsylvania industry,” Jha said.

Path forward

Environmentalists said there’s no one piece of legislation that can replace what RGGI could have done for the state.

During the budget bill signing, Gov. Shapiro said Senate Republicans have been using RGGI “as an excuse to stall substantive conversations about energy.”

“It’s time to look forward, and I’m going to be aggressive about pushing for policies that create more jobs in the energy sector, bring more clean energy onto the grid, and reduce the cost of energy for Pennsylvanians,” Shapiro said.

It remains to be seen if Republicans will engage with Shapiro on his energy plans.

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Shapiro distanced himself from RGGI during his campaign for governor. He proposed his own version of a cap and trade program for the power sector called the Pennsylvania Climate Emissions Reduction Program (PACER), that would be specific to Pennsylvania.

Bills to create PACER were introduced in the state House and Senate earlier this year, but have not been called up for a vote.

Routh, with NRDC, said the text of the PACER proposal relies heavily on the language of the RGGI regulation, which Republicans have spent years criticizing.

“It is unclear whether the bill as written now could possibly function even if we are in the political fantasy scenario where that could get action in either the House or the Senate,” Routh said.

There are several other proposals in the legislature that could benefit the environment that should now get priority, said Tom Gilbert, president of the Pennsylvania Environmental Council. Those bills include supporting new energy storage and energy efficiency projects, electric transmission upgrades, and building cleaner manufacturing.

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“Many of these would have been directly supported by RGGI with guidance from all stakeholders, but our challenge now is to craft an interwoven set of policies that move our state forward,” Gilbert said.

As important as RGGI was to some, the program was always framed by advocates as a big first step. More will need to be done, they said, to lower emissions and encourage cleaner sources of energy.

What is RGGI, anyway? 

Gov. Tom Wolf directed the state Department of Environmental Protection in 2019 to write a regulation that would allow Pennsylvania to join RGGI.

The cap and trade program sets a limit on the total amount of emissions allowed within the region and power plants must buy “allowances” or credits through an auction to cover their emissions. The cap decreases over time. Money raised from the sale of allowances can be used to boost clean energy efforts and with bill assistance for residents.

Fossil fuel industry groups and Republican lawmakers claimed that the money raised through RGGI would amount to an illegal tax. In Pennsylvania, only the legislative branch can enact taxes.

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Wolf and the DEP said the allowance cost is a fee for doing business. DEP said it has the authority to collect the fee under Pennsylvania’s Air Pollution Control Act.

The regulation was finished in 2022, but Pennsylvania has never participated in the RGGI auctions. The rule was quickly put on hold by a Commonwealth Court judge until legal challenges could be heard.

In 2023, Commonwealth Court ruled the regulation was unconstitutional. The case was appealed to the state Supreme Court, which heard arguments in May.

On Thursday, the DEP filed an application to discontinue its appeal.

If the case is declared moot, environmental advocates said the legal questions around the program will remain unresolved.

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“Regardless of which way the Supreme Court would have decided the case, it is highly valuable to have to have gotten clarity on the legal claims at issue here…to articulate further what the Supreme Court justices, how they view the Environmental Rights Amendment in the context of this regulation,” Routh said.





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Pennsylvania man says he was shot by his dog

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Pennsylvania man says he was shot by his dog

A Pennsylvania man says he was accidentally shot by his dog.

SHILLINGTON, Pa. (WPVI) — A Pennsylvania man says his dog is to blame for a bizarre mishap inside his home.

He was shot late Tuesday night at a home in Shillington, Berks County.

The man told police he was cleaning a shotgun and put it down on his bed.

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When he sat down on the bed, the dog jumped onto it, causing the firearm to discharge and strike him in the lower back.

The man was rushed to the hospital, where he underwent surgery.

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‘Cautiously optimistic:’ Pa. lawmakers hope to pass state budget soon

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HARRISBURG, Pa. (WPVI) — A lot of people and agencies — from school districts to food banks — are waiting with bated breath for the Pennsylvania state budget to pass. Lawmakers have been at an impasse for months.

Sources in Harrisburg tell Action News a lot of progress was made Tuesday night, and there is a deal in place.

Both chambers held caucus to discuss the proposed $50 billion spending plan. Two major pieces of the budget were voted out of the Pennsylvania State Senate Appropriations Committee around 9 p.m.

The Senate voted to reconvene on Wednesday at 9:30 a.m. The Pennsylvania House is also scheduled to be in session on Wednesday morning at 9:30 a.m. to begin an all-day effort in voting on the budget bills.

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Senator Sharif Street, who represents North Philadelphia, spoke with Action News, saying, “This proposed budget increases funding in public education and violence prevention programs. I am cautiously optimistic we will get this budget done.”

That budget is now four months overdue, threatening resources among counties, social services, and school districts.

In Bucks County, the Morrisville School District announced last week it would have to temporarily shut down if it didn’t receive state funding by mid-January.

And in Philadelphia, the Share Food Program has missed out on about $3.5 million it normally would’ve received from the state while lawmakers have tried to work out a budget deal. It’s money executive director George Matysik says he could really use as the nonprofit is seeing a massively increased need during the government shutdown.

“So over the course of the last year or so, the Share Food Program has seen a total cut of about $8.5 million to our organization, at a time when we’ve been seeing an increased need, but no need like what we’ve seen over the course of the last few weeks, where we have had a 12 fold increase in new registrants over the last two weeks,” Matysik said.

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He says Governor Josh Shapiro recently released funding for food banks across the state, allocating about $750,000 for the Share Food Program.

“It certainly doesn’t pick up the amount of need that we’re seeing at the federal level, but it was a huge help for us,” Matysik said.

He’s hoping that lawmakers will get a budget passed on Wednesday.

“There is some relief in this moment, but I will tell you for organizations like ours and for the folks we serve, we have been going through collective whiplash over the course of the last few weeks while all of these programs have been started and stopped multiple times,” said Matysik. “So for many families that we serve that are on very tight budgets, this means a lot for them.”

Likely absent from that budget will be any funding for SEPTA. That was a point of contention among lawmakers over the summer, but eventually, Democratic lawmakers who were pushing for it accepted that it was not going to happen this year. Instead, Governor Shapiro’s administration approved the use of capital assistance funds to cover SEPTA’s operating expenses for the next two years.

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A SEPTA spokesperson tells Action News the agency hasn’t received word that anything has changed on the funding front, with news of a potential deal on the table.

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