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Opinion | Michigan, Trump and Harris: 11 Voters Discuss.

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Opinion | Michigan, Trump and Harris: 11 Voters Discuss.


What’s one word to describe Donald Trump? What’s one word to describe
Donald Trump?

“Dangerous.”

Aaron, 54, Black, Dem.

“Charismatic.”
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Muhammad, 25, Asian, indep.

“Ruthless.”

Sarah, 43, white, Repub.

As the votes were counted on election night 2016, the first big sign of trouble for Hillary Clinton came from Michigan, arguably the most Democratic of the presidential swing states. In 2020, Joe Biden flipped it back to the Democrats. Now, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump appear to be in a dead heat in Michigan, and it’s once again crucial for winning the presidency. For our latest Times Opinion focus group, we gathered a cross-section of Michigan voters to assess the race in the home stretch.

The takeaway isn’t especially positive for Ms. Harris.

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Our five independents, four Democrats and two Republicans were clear on a few points: Most want significant change in America under the next president, and the bulk of them cite the economy as their top issue and care more about the candidates’ policies than their values. One voter was troubled by Ms. Harris’s support for arms to Israel and is leaning toward Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate. Others thought Mr. Trump didn’t understand what it meant to struggle financially.

Perhaps most worrisome for Ms. Harris, nine of our 11 participants thought she would pursue policies similar to Mr. Biden’s. Muhammad, a 25-year-old software engineer and registered independent who voted for Mr. Biden in 2020, said he was struck by a recent TV ad showing Ms. Harris on “The View” saying she could not think of a thing she would have done differently from Mr. Biden during their administration.

“I understand not pushing Biden under the bus, but she needs to be more authentic and actually take responsibility for the failures of her administration. She was the border czar, and that is a failure. All she needed to do was be authentic about that,” Muhammad said.

Some participants were enthusiastic about Ms. Harris’s energy and ideas and thought that as a woman, she represented change. But as for who will win Michigan and the presidency, these voters thought the race was trending toward Trump, even though several of them saw him as dangerous and unhinged.

Aaron 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

Ameera 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

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Angie 54, white, independent, I.T.

Erayna 27, multiracial, independent, unemployed

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Kyle 35, white, Republican, manager

Michael B. 35, white, independent, unemployed

Michael W. 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

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Muhammad 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

Nicole 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

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Peter 54, white, independent, stage actor

Sarah 43, white, Republican, homemaker

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Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

In one word, how would you say you feel about the November election?

Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

Anxious

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

Indecisive.

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Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

Exhausted.

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

I’d say “anxious,” too.

Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

Motivated.

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

Excited.

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

Frustrated.

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Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Kyle, you said “exhausted.”

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

It’s a nonstop barrage of political ads, political mailers. I just can’t wait for the election to be over.

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

The political ads are abrasive, and they kind of put you in a “What do you believe?” type of place. It’s hard to decide.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

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What is this election about?

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

Power.

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

It’s about democracy and about truth. Is there any kind of objective truth?

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

It’s a power struggle. Right now the candidates are saying: I’m better than this other person. They’re not actually giving us any information about what could change.

Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

I think it comes down to America’s values. Freedoms, choices, honesty, integrity, immigration — how much is too much, or how much can we afford to offer?

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Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

The election is about change. Old guard to a new guard. We need to get back to individual choice, a little less intrusiveness from the government and more personal responsibility.

Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

It’s about the truth behind a candidate’s words.

Raise your hand if this issue is going to play a major role in deciding who to vote for. Raise your hand if this issue
is going to play a major role in deciding who to vote for.
The Economy
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Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Ameera,
24, white, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Erayna,
27, multiracial, indep.

Kyle,
35, white, Repub.

Michael W.,
30, Black, Dem.

Muhammad,
25, Asian, indep.

Immigration

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Michael W.,
30, Black, Dem.

Muhammad,
25, Asian, indep.

Democracy

Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Kyle,
35, white, Repub.

Peter,
54, white, indep.

Abortion

Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Erayna,
27, multiracial, indep.

Michael W.,
30, Black, Dem.

Foreign Affairs and Security

Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Ameera,
24, white, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Kyle,
35, white, Repub.

Peter,
54, white, indep.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

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Tell me what matters to you when it comes to the economy.

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

How do we restart growth? What’s the path forward? We’ve been stagnant for quite some years. My job has been very stable. But there’s a lot of people out there that I’ve seen lose jobs or have to take lower-paying jobs or work in careers that they don’t like to do.

Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

The cost of living might have affected me a little bit, but I have two daughters who have recently graduated and are out in the job market, and I see how difficult and how competitive it is to get a good job these days. You can go to college and still not be able to get the jobs that you were once promised were going to be out there, with benefits and health insurance.

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

I would just like to see some plan of action of moving forward with the economy. What is that clear path of how our economy is going to grow?

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

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Muhammad, tell me why you said immigration was a major issue for you.

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

The American dream is becoming less and less of a reality for most people, at least in my generation. So we definitely need to do something about illegal immigration. One side is denying it’s a problem. You need to take care of Americans first rather than paying for their hotel just because they crossed illegally.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Peter and then Aaron, tell me a little bit more about democracy.

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

Jan. 6 was the big deciding factor for me. I’ve voted for plenty of Republicans. I’ve voted for Democrats. But he tried to overturn the peaceful transition of power. We have someone who just completely denies it. I don’t see how we move forward. I don’t.

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Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

Since when do we let felons run for jobs in the White House? I don’t understand it. It’s hard to even get beyond that. And the things that he says are just mean-spirited. I didn’t know that we could let people who act like children and hold top offices in our political government. A candidate openly trying to get unchecked power is just unsettling. And he’s clear. He’s not lying. He’s literally telling us what he wants to do.

Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

Just because someone wasn’t convicted in a court of law of something doesn’t mean the other side isn’t just as guilty of crimes as well. It’s just really concerning that each side can use that power to abuse it and try to do whatever it is they want to do and lie so forthrightly about it, whether it was Covid or anything else.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Tell me why abortion is important to you.

Erayna, 27, multiracial, independent, unemployed

No man can really tell you what to do with your body. And I feel like there could be so many reasons behind an abortion. It’s not always the common reason. And if they can’t have one in their own state, then, I don’t know, you’re kind of crazy to me.

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Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

I’ve been raised by all women. I would hate for any of them to be in a situation where they became pregnant and they don’t have any other options. That’s just a scary feeling to have the law governing a human being.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Let’s hear from the people who care a lot about foreign affairs and security.

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

They’re sending billions of dollars every year to Israel, to Ukraine, to all these other countries. A lot of these politicians, they say they care about Americans, but really, we care for people overseas. If they reinvested those billions into our country, it would be in a better position than it is now. I don’t want to see a president who just helps fund war crimes.

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

Ameera, I respect your views, but I’m going to take the opposite position, where I would prefer to see conflicts be managed outside our borders, where we’re not getting directly drawn in. We need to be able to maintain our presence on the world stage. But if there’s other sides that are warring against one another, I think that taking a stance on that rather than being isolationist is the better path forward.

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Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Let’s talk directly about the candidates. When you think of Kamala Harris, what is one word that comes to mind?

Nicole, 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

Not believable.

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

Deceptive.

Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

I would agree with “deceptive.”

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Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

Fake.

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

Opportunist.

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

I would say “incompetent.”

Erayna, 27, multiracial, independent, unemployed

Go-getting.

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

Word salad.

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Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

Fresh.

Michael B., 35, white, independent, unemployed

Unserious.

Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

Change.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Michael B., tell me what you mean by “unserious.”

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Michael B., 35, white, independent, unemployed

I don’t mean that she seems like she’s going to do a bad job. She seems to try and be more relatable to a younger generation, and so it just doesn’t seem to me like she’s taking things super seriously.

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

I said “fresh” because I see her as a break from the establishment. She hasn’t been on the national stage for years on end, she’s not an incumbent who’s run in the past, she’s just a fresh face.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Several of you said some version of “not believable.” Tell me about that.

Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

She’s just always smiling, nodding her head, arguing for things she has no chance of ever delivering on. She’s just trying to get votes. And the jabs. I feel like they go too much for jabs at each other instead of actually saying what they’re going to do. It’s just a facade, if I had to sum it up.

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Nicole, 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

When you see the commercials and hear her talking, it’s just like they’re saying what they want you to hear to get your vote. And she just doesn’t sound believable to me.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Has anyone seen, read or heard anything that Harris has done in terms of an interview, a podcast, a public appearance that made you think about her differently?

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

Her recent appearance on “The View.” Trump has capitalized on that, put that in an attack ad. She said nothing comes to mind that she would do differently from Biden. I understand not pushing Biden under the bus, but she needs to be more authentic and actually take responsibility for the failures of her administration. She was the border czar, and that is a failure. All she needed to do was be authentic about that.

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

Republicans lost any high ground on immigration the minute that Trump killed the border bill. I always thought of her pretty much as a lightweight. She wasn’t visibly doing a whole lot during the administration. At the Democratic convention, her speech was quite good. She had some gravitas. Her interviews have been less successful.

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Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Let’s do the same exercise with Trump. What is one word that comes to mind when you think about Donald Trump?

Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

Dangerous.

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

Rude.

Erayna, 27, multiracial, independent, unemployed

Criminal.

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Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

Rebellious.

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

Joke.

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

I’d say “mastermind.”

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

Fascist.

Michael B., 35, white, independent, unemployed

Unhinged.

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Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

Charismatic.

Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

Ruthless.

Nicole, 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

Fake.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Nicole, you find Donald Trump fake, too. Tell me where that comes from.

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Nicole, 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

Donald Trump, after his four years, after all the stuff that he got into, ain’t no way he was supposed to be able to run for election again. And then he’s just doing the same thing as Kamala, saying what he has to say to get to be president. It’s all just for show.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Sarah, you said “ruthless.”

Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

I believe in a lot of things that Trump has said and done. Other things I wish would be different. But he’s ruthless in that he doesn’t give up. With anything he does, he’s not shy. He doesn’t tiptoe around anything.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

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Are there any public appearances, podcasts, interviews, anything you’ve seen Donald Trump do recently that really stuck out and changed how you think about him?

Nicole, 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

When he went to McDonald’s in Pennsylvania and tried to be an employee, to me, he was mocking Kamala. That was wrong. That was so fake.

Do you think your vote will come down to the candidates’ policies or their character? Do you think your vote will come
down to the candidates’ policies or
their character?
Policy
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Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Erayna,
27, multiracial, indep.

Michael B.,
35, white, indep.

Michael W.,
30, Black, Dem.

Muhammad,
25, Asian, indep.

Sarah,
43, white, Repub.

Character

Ameera,
24, white, Dem.

Kyle,
35, white, Repub.

Peter,
54, white, indep.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

Peter, you said “values.”

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

Policywise, I voted for plenty of Republicans in the past. I just think this man is all for himself. He would sell any one of us out, including the country. Valuewise, I’m not a huge fan of Kamala Harris, but I’m leaning that way because I just couldn’t find myself voting for Trump.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

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And Erayna, you said “policy.”

Erayna, 27, multiracial, independent, unemployed

I was just thinking about the whole Project 2025 thing and Roe v. Wade and so many other issues. It’s going to come down to what is right and what is wrong.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

You all live in Michigan, an important swing state. What TV ads do you recall seeing that have made an impression one way or another?

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

There’s one about the Ten Commandments, where they talk about voting your conscience. They put the commandment up, “Do not commit adultery,” and then they show the picture of Trump with the porn stars. “Thou shalt not steal,” and then felonies in New York. A lot of Christians want to vote for him, but they’re voting for a man who couldn’t care less about the Commandments.

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Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

That ad of Harris on “The View.” It’s not pushing me to Trump, but it’s pushing me away from Kamala.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

In 2016, Donald Trump won Michigan, but just barely. And then in 2020, Michigan swung toward Biden, who won the state by about three percentage points. I’m curious if any of you switched from supporting Trump in 2016 to supporting Biden in 2020.

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

I wasn’t old enough to vote in 2016, but I was leaning Trump. I voted for Biden in 2020.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

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Why is that?

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

Covid happened, and the country needed a stable leader, not someone who you don’t know what they’re going to do next. We needed Biden at that time. Trump is charismatic and all, but he has his faults.

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

I voted for Trump in 2016 and then Biden in 2020. When Trump came in, I saw him as a break from the establishment. The perception that I had of him was that he was a strong business leader, he would help get our country back on track economically, turn around our national deficit, be able to really drive growth in America and really just kind of get the train back on the tracks. Fast-forward four years. I didn’t really see that happen. He became so unpresidential in my mind that I said, “I can’t vote for that. That’s not what the president of the United States should look or should act like.” Donald Trump lost my vote.

Will Kamala Harris pursue similar or different policies from Joe Biden? Will Kamala Harris pursue similar
or different policies from Joe Biden?
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Similar policies.

Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Ameera,
24, white, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Kyle,
35, white, Repub.

Michael W.,
30, Black, Dem.

Muhammad,
25, Asian, indep.

Nicole,
42, Black, Dem.

Peter,
54, white, indep.

Sarah,
43, white, Repub.

Different policies.

Erayna,
27, multiracial, indep.

Michael B.,
35, white, indep.

Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

I think it’s going to be similar, just from everything she said. I don’t think she has new, fresh ideas. Everything at the border has just been mass chaos, and she says she’s going to do something about it. But she helped cause it. They didn’t do anything about it.

Michael B., 35, white, independent, unemployed

I think she might be different from Biden because we can’t really predict what someone’s going to do once they’re actually in office. It’s probably a totally different experience once you’re there.

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

When she was helping Biden run for re-election, when his health was just getting worse and worse, she kind of kept it a secret. I don’t think she really has any ideas of her own. I feel like she’s just kind of piggybacking off the Biden administration.

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Moderator, Patrick Healy

Ameera, if Harris is elected, she’d be the first woman and the first woman of color to be president. Do you think that would affect any of the policies, in terms of difference, or not?

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

I wish I could say yes, but she hasn’t shown me anything through her actions that really shows she’s here to support women and women of color. I love the fact that we could get a woman president. I want to see that happen. But I also want to see a woman president whose values align with my values.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

Nicole, same question, since you thought Harris’s policies and priorities would be similar to Biden’s. Do you think Harris being a woman would bring any difference or not really?

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Nicole, 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

No. She followed Biden around and was basically his puppet. She would just continue it.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

Is there anything you think Harris or Trump really understands about Michigan, in particular? Do you think either of them cares about people like you?

Erayna, 27, multiracial, independent, unemployed

I remember hearing Trump say something about Detroit. He said Detroit looked trashy, put it in a negative light. I did not like that. The governor made a post about it on Facebook, responding to him. We’re not what he said we were.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

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What did you think of Governor Whitmer’s response to that?

Erayna, 27, multiracial, independent, unemployed

I supported it. I was very happy she made the statement that she made.

Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

For me, Harris understands the working person. I don’t think Trump understands what it takes to struggle, to have dignity while you’re still struggling. I don’t think he represents the spirit of Michigan.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

What’s the spirit of Michigan, Aaron?

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Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

We’re hard-working people here. We put the overtime in. We know what it means to struggle, take those food stamps and still work those two jobs and struggle with the day care and rely on friends and family to get by. Every day there’s a challenge. You can still smile through it, and you can still be nice to the person next to you, even if they’re doing better than you, worse than you or different from you. It’s not like that 100 percent, but that’s the overall feeling of Michigan that I have. And we’re just so diversified. I don’t like being pigeonholed into a group based on my financial status, race, religion, anything. And I think Michigan is just — overall, we have fun, and we work hard, and we play hard.

Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

I agree with everything he said about Michiganders. It’s literally exactly how we are.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

I want to go back to a point that Erayna made. Harris was recently in Detroit with Lizzo, the singer and rapper. And Lizzo said, “If Kamala wins, then the whole country will be like Detroit.” Lizzo meant this as a positive. But then Trump was out there saying the same thing, casting it as a negative. How do you see all this?

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

Trump actually apologized for his Detroit comment a few days ago. Detroit’s just been going uphill in the past few years. I’ve seen all these improvements. Now the QLine is free. If we see these improvements in other areas in the country, I think that’d be great. Do I think Kamala will be able to do that? I don’t think she’s really made any of her stances clear enough.

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Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

I don’t think she would be able to implement Detroit into other places.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Some of you are in a union or a union household. Harris has gotten the endorsements of the A.F.L.-C.I.O., N.E.A., S.E.I.U., U.A.W., and Trump has the backing of the Fraternal Order of Police, the National Border Control Council. The International Association of Firefighters and the Teamsters have chosen not to endorse any candidate. How does a union endorsement affect your thought process?

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

I’m in a union. I vote the way I feel. Joe Biden was the first president ever to walk a union picket line. If people are going to assume that she’s going to do things pretty much the way he did it, then we have to then assume that she’s going to be pro-union.

Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

I was in a union when I was working, and I’m fourth-generation G.M. Once upon a time, I think the union backing meant everything. But never once have I voted because the union endorsed somebody. I voted because I felt that way.

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Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

How, if at all, are you affected by the issue of American manufacturing and made in America?

Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

I think Trump was doing well during his presidency until Covid hit. And then the economy shut down. Businesses shut down. And we really saw how much we were reliant upon foreign trade and products from overseas. I think it’s important that we become more self-sufficient, employ our own people.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

Angie, Donald Trump is proposing at least a 20 percent tariff on imported goods, which he says would help promote making things in America. Kamala Harris has called this the Trump sales tax, something that would make goods more expensive without actually helping American workers. What do you think about that idea?

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Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

Twenty percent may be too high, but I mean, I think the idea behind what he’s proposing is good. I think there needs to be some kind of incentives for U.S. companies to produce these products that we need.

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

My job has me front and center on everything supply-chain-related. The Covid shocks, the port strikes, the hurricanes, everything has demonstrated how limited we are. But large companies are realizing how fragile the chain is, so that’s helping bring things back. And if we don’t build it here already and then we’re going to put a 20 percent tariff on it, it’s just going to raise prices across the board for the end user. Not to say that that’s not the right nudge, but it definitely will raise prices.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

What do you all think about third-party candidates like Jill Stein and about people who say if you’re voting for somebody like Stein, you’re just throwing your vote away or you’re taking a vote away from one of the two major-party candidates?

Ameera, 24, white, Democrat, lawyer

I think that’s the point. The point is to show them that they lost your vote. I thought I’d be a Democrat after I voted for Biden, but then I saw what he and Harris did. And that’s not who I want. Jill has really been doing her best to reach out to us in a way that’s more serious. Kamala has been making these TikToks, participating in trends, but we don’t care how cool you are. We care about what you’re going to do for us. Being realistic, Jill’s probably not going to win. But maybe that’ll incentivize them to create more policies that lead toward what she’s doing, because that way, they see what the voters actually want.

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Regardless of who you’ll vote for,
who do you think will win Michigan?
Regardless of who you’ll vote
for, who do you think will win Michigan?
Donald Trump

Ameera,
24, white, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Kyle,
35, white, Repub.

Michael W.,
30, Black, Dem.

Muhammad,
25, Asian, indep.

Nicole,
42, Black, Dem.

Peter,
54, white, indep.

Sarah,
43, white, Repub.

Kamala Harris

Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Erayna,
27, multiracial, indep.

Nicole, 42, Black, Democrat, housekeeper

I think Trump is going to win because people think that Trump gave us all this stimulus money. They’re not going to vote for the right reasons.

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Sarah, 43, white, Republican, homemaker

I just think that people I know gravitate more toward him. They think that he’s going to do what he says. He’ll make everything bigger, manufacturing, more jobs, all that. It could be really close, but I think Trump will win.

Kyle, 35, white, Republican, manager

I feel like the energy behind Trump in Michigan is much stronger than the energy behind Kamala is. You see Trump signs everywhere. Driving wherever, I hardly ever see Harris-Walz signs. The people who support Trump seem much more energized to vote. And I think the people who would vote for Kamala are kind of apathetic, a little bit.

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

He just has a lot of supporters here in Michigan still. Even aside from Jan. 6, aside from everything that he’s been a part of, he still has people advocating for him very hard.

Michael B., 35, white, independent, unemployed

I just don’t think it’s easy to predict who’s going to do what. Most of the people I know go back and forth like a cat chasing a laser pointer. I don’t really know if it’s really fair to judge a candidate for one reason or another. Until it comes down to that day and you have to make that decision, when you’re standing there in that voting booth, it could go either way.

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On a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is not much at all and 5 is a whole lot, how much do you want things to change in America under its next president? On a scale of 1 to 5, where 1 means not much at all and 5 is a whole lot, how much do you want things to change in America under its next president?

1 means not much at all and 5 means a whole lot

3

Kyle,
35, white, Repub.

Nicole,
42, Black, Dem.

4

Ameera,
24, white, Dem.

Angie,
54, white, indep.

Erayna,
27, multiracial, indep.

Michael B.,
35, white, indep.

Muhammad,
25, Asian, indep.

Peter,
54, white, indep.

Sarah,
43, white, Repub.

5

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Aaron,
54, Black, Dem.

Michael W.,
30, Black, Dem.

Aaron, 54, Black, Democrat, janitor

We need a paradigm shift. We need a whole paradigm shift. Burn it all down, rebuild it, and let’s start passing it on to the next generation below us. My generation is stagnant in their thinking, and it’s not going to work. It’s not sustainable.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

Muhammad, you were a Biden voter in 2020, and now you’re saying it sounds like a good bit of change. You’re a young person. Tell me why.

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

It just feels like a lot of people in my generation have a feeling that the American dream is not possible for us anymore. That causes a lot of disenfranchisement, like nobody’s listening to us. We definitely need new ideas. And we definitely need some kind of change to actually help the middle class.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

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Muhammad, is there anything Kamala Harris could say or do in the last two weeks to convince you that she’s more of a change candidate than Trump?

Muhammad, 25, Asian, independent, software engineer

She just needs to convince me that she is more for American citizens than illegal immigrants. The few policies that she’s actually come out with are good, in terms of working-class people, but it just seems like she becomes a moderate to get the votes. She needs to show a bit of skin and actually accept her mistakes.

Michael W., 30, Black, Democrat, fast-food employee

I want a solid policy behind what they’re actually going to do, not a Day 1 plan. I don’t feel like we’ve gotten that from either candidate. Where are the policies? Where is everything for America? Where are the things for the American people so we’re not stagnant or worrying about what could possibly embark upon another Covid situation?

Peter, 54, white, independent, stage actor

The border bill — she’s already said she would sign it if it came up again. She has said $25,000 for new home buyers. And she has said $50,000 for new start-up small businesses. Those three things have made a difference to me, policywise.

Moderator, Patrick Healy

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As people, as presidential candidates, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump — do you like them?

Michael B., 35, white, independent, unemployed

As a person, a human being, I think he’s awful. But as a president and as a businessman, it seems like when he was in office, whether or not I liked what he got done, he did get stuff done. Some of our foreign relationships with unsavory leaders were actually really friendly. I don’t know if they were afraid of him. No one in our past has really ever had that effect in the office.

Angie, 54, white, independent, I.T.

Personally, I don’t like the man. But I think that his past record showed he could get things done. He does have a business sense. He did do what he said he was going to do. And I really believe if it hadn’t been for Covid, he probably would have been re-elected the next go-round.

Moderator, Kristen Soltis Anderson

A final question: Regardless of how you’ll vote, how many of you think that Donald Trump is likely to be the next president of the United States? Show of hands. [Ameera, Muhammad, Michael B., Michael W., Nicole and Sarah raise a hand for Trump; Aaron and Erayna raise a hand for Harris.]

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Michigan superintendent accused of smoking weed with colleague, having gun on school grounds

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A Michigan school superintendent was ousted from her position for allegedly getting high with a colleague on school grounds and then driving off in her car – where police found a hunting rifle stashed in the backseat.  

Hollie Stange, who headed Fitzgerald Public Schools in Warren, is accused of getting behind the wheel after police spotted her smoking marijuana with the district’s food services director for several minutes in a parked car 1,000 feet from school grounds, according to the Macomb County Prosecutor’s Office. 

Police arrested Stange and Amanda Carroll, both 38, after the pair left in separate vehicles on Dec. 20, and were found allegedly driving “under the influence.”

Fitzgerald Public Schools superintendent Hollie Stange and Amanda Carroll were both arrested and charged after they were caught smoking weed on school campus and then getting behind the wheels of their car. Click on Detroit

“This is deeply concerning and violates the trust our community places in these school administrators,” Macomb County Prosecutor Peter J. Lucido said.

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“Driving under the influence and possessing drugs near school grounds is not only unlawful but also puts the safety of our children at risk. As individuals entrusted with the well-being of Macomb County’s children, we will take all necessary legal steps to ensure accountability.”

Police found a rifle wrapped in a blanket in the backseat of Stange’s car, along with a 50-gram bag of marijuana in her purse, WWJ reported.

A 6-year-old was inside Carroll’s vehicle when police pulled her over. 

Carroll was also in possession of more than 25 grams of weed, the outlet reported. 

Prosecutors believe Stange had the gun in her car while she was on school grounds. 

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Both women were placed on leave, pending an internal review, on Sunday following a unanimous vote by the Fitzgerald School Board.

“The Fitzgerald Public Schools Board of Education today voted unanimously to place District Superintendent Stange and Amanda Carroll on leave effective immediately pending our internal review and the ongoing criminal investigation,” board president Julia Yokel said in a Facebook post. 


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A Michigan school superintendent was ousted from her position for allegedly getting high with a colleague on school grounds and then driving off in her car – where police found a hunting rifle stashed in the backseat. Google Maps

“The school district is cooperating with local law enforcement and will continue to do so.”

Stange is charged with possession of marijuana on school grounds, possession of a weapon in a weapon free zone and operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated, prosecutors said. 

Charges against Carroll include possession of marijuana on school grounds, operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated second offense and operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated with an occupant less than 16 years old. 

Both women were arraigned on Dec. 21 in Warren District Court, and their bond was set at $5,000 each.

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Both are barred from entering school grounds unless otherwise directed, no uses of alcohol or drugs with random testing twice a week and limited contact with each other, prosecutors said.

Stange is also restricted from using any firearms.

“My client is a dedicated educator and administrator with two decades of services, a mother of two young children herself, and is presumed innocent under the law,” William Barnwell, defense attorney for Stange, told the Detroit Free Press.

“They have to prove she knew the weapon was in the vehicle, they have to prove distance (from school grounds) and they have to prove impairment.”

They will appear in court next on Jan. 2.

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Will Mikey Keene be Michigan’s Week 1 starting quarterback in 2025?

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Welcome to SB Nation Reacts, a survey of fans across the NCAA. Throughout the year we ask questions of the most plugged-in Michigan Wolverines fans and fans across the country. Sign up here to participate in the weekly emailed surveys.

Michigan now has a veteran quarterback in the fold for the 2025 season. On Monday afternoon, Fresno State transfer QB Mikey Keene committed to the Wolverines.

Keene had a 70.5 completion percentage in 2024 with 2,892 yards with 18 touchdowns and 11 interceptions at Fresno State. Keene was at Central Florida for his first two years and is familiar with Michigan’s new offensive coordinator, Chip Lindsey. Lindsey was Central Florida’s offensive coordinator in 2022 while Keene was at UCF. Keene fared well in ‘22 with Lindsey when he saw the field, throwing for 647 yards, six touchdowns and one interception with a 72.3 completion rate.

Does Keene’s veteran presence and familiarity in Chip Lindsey’s scheme give him the edge to ultimately be named Michigan’s starting quarterback in Week 1 against New Mexico next season? Or will the 2025 No. 1 overall prospect and No. 1 QB Bryce Underwood prove to be ready to roll right out of the gate? Vote below.

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Whether Keene winds up starting or not he was brought in to compete with Underwood and receive a shot at the starting position in 2025. Keene, who stands 5-foot-11, 200 pounds, will be entering his fifth collegiate season in 2025 and has amassed 8,245 passing yards, 65 touchdowns and 28 interceptions in his career with a 67.8 completion percentage.



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