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Mizzou vs South Carolina Q & A: Garnet and Cocky

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The Missouri Tigers (6-1, 2-1 SEC) come in ranked No. 20 in this week’s AP Top 25 poll heading into their Homecoming game on Saturday afternoon against the South Carolina Gamecocks (2-4, 1-3 SEC).

As Mizzou looks for a win right before their bye week, they’ll need to get past a reeling Gamecocks team first. Kick-off on Saturday in COMO is set for 2:30 p.m. CST on the SEC Network.

To get a perspective on the Gamecocks and their state of the program, we talked it over with Kevin Miller over at Garnet and Cocky.

Here’s the Q&A to get you ready and informed on the matchup:

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Sammy Stava: South Carolina has struggled this season as they’re off to a 2-4 start through six games with only one win vs an FBS opponent (Mississippi State). Considering the expectations coming in, how disappointing has this been for the Gamecocks’ program in Year 3 under Shane Beamer?

Kevin Miller: Frankly, this season is teetering on disaster for the Gamecocks. Considering the significant improvement from the offense from 2022 to 2023, a season with comparable results to last year was entirely reasonable, even with the nation’s toughest strength of schedule. However, the Carolina defense has regressed tremendously, and USC has to win 4 of 6 to end the year just to make a bowl. It’s extremely disappointing. Thanks to the work of Shane Beamer and his staff, the program is not in trouble yet, though. The recruiting efforts and culture rebuild from the Muschamp era are both still intact. However, fans can think of 2023 as creating a probation period moving forward for the South Carolina football program. If 2024 is not a step up from 2023, things will get bad in a hurry, but some improvement will see positive momentum pick back up in Columbia.

SS: The Gamecocks got off to a slow start last season but turned their season around with signature wins over Tennessee and Clemson late in the year. Does this year’s team have the potential to right the ship and turns things around?

KM: There are some major differences between 2022 and 2023 that make 2023 a much harder “turnaround” than what we all witnessed a season ago. The Gamecock defense was fine (not good, but not bad either). The offense stunk, but it was obvious that talent was there. Once the disconnect between former offensive coordinator Marcus Satterfield and his unit was gone, the talent shone through. The 2023 defense, however, is not just poorly coached like last year’s offense; the 2023 defense also has some serious personnel issues. The most glaring issue is that the nickel position has been atrocious in man coverage this season, but everyone who has played there (mainly run-stopping safeties playing out-of-position) is still asked to man up with whoever is in the slot. Teams have moved their top receivers to the slot intentionally to take advantage of this fact, and that is a big reason why Carolina ranks 130th out of 130 teams in passing defense. Considering the fact that Luther Burden (Mizzou), Ainias Smith (A&M), Tayvion Robinson (Kentucky), and Antonio Williams (Clemson) are all comfortable in the slot, that likely isn’t going away. Because of that, a big turnaround doesn’t seem likely, and even reaching the 6-win bowl-eligibility threshold is unlikely.

SS: What were your thoughts about Shane Beamer’s press conference after the loss to Florida? Do you think this team will come out with an inspired effort after the comments he made?

KM: For the most part, I didn’t have a problem with Beamer’s press conference. His criticism of execution was correct, and his criticism of coaching was correct. Where he erred was that he didn’t start with personal accountability. Instead, he criticized his team (something every coach in America does). Had he switched the order of his words and started with personal accountability, no one would be talking about the press conference. A head coach has to accept blame, and Beamer did that. However, as the man in charge making millions of dollars, a coach also has to make sure to start there, and that is where Beamer failed.

The team seems to be responding well this week in practice and media availability. Most player interviews, especially with defensive players, have included some version of “We need to execute better” or “We need to play better.” It’s a start. We will see if any of it sticks come Saturday.

SS: What has been the biggest issue that is plaguing South Carolina in their losses, and are they fixable at this point? What is the biggest strength of this team that they can pinpoint to for success?

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KM: South Carolina’s biggest issues on the season are poor offensive line play and awful pass defense in the middle of the field.

The offensive line has allowed Spencer Rattler to be sacked far too many times in 2023. His high level of play has masked some of it, but the issue is still there. The running game is inconsistent due to the struggles up front, as well.

I’ve already mentioned the struggles at nickel, but the Gamecock linebackers aren’t good in coverage, and the safeties are inconsistent with the ball in the air. Teams have had a lot of success running crossing routes or deep slants just behind the linebackers because they can’t cover in man or in zone. The safeties make plays at times, but none of them are the “free safety” roaming type of safety that makes life difficult on quarterbacks. A weak pass rush doesn’t help either one of those issues, either.

The issues are not fixable at this point, but the offense has been good enough that even a moderate improvement on defense could lead to a few wins. While Missouri, Texas A&M, Clemson, and even Kentucky have been better teams this year, they are all beatable, even if it is unlikely.

The biggest strength, as mentioned, is the offense. Spencer Rattler would be a Heisman contender on a better team, and Xavier Legette is college football’s biggest out-of-nowhere wide receiver success story of the season. The running game is getting better with the emergence of D-II transfer running back Mario Anderson, and the tight ends are coming along when utilized correctly. South Carolina is capable of scoring 30+ each week, so if the defense has a decent game, the Gamecocks will have a chance to win.

Something to watch on offense: the Gamecocks are among the best offensive teams in the country in the first half, especially in the first quarter. Offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains has had great success with his early-game scripts, and Spencer Rattler has started almost every game with a ridiculous stat line like 11-11 or 12-13. If USC doesn’t start off well, this came could get ugly, but if they do, I believe this one will be a one-score game for most of the afternooon.

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SS: Other than Spencer Rattler, who are some players on the offensive side that Mizzou fans will need to pay attention to? Who on the defensive side is making an impact this season?

KM: On offense, Missouri should be worried about Xavier Legette. Legette and Luther Burden have been alternating the receiving yardage lead in the SEC for much of the season. Legette has run the fastest ball-in-hand sprint speed of any player in football this season (college or NFL), and he is one of the country’s best jump ball players, as well. He’s very capable of going over the top of the defense but is also very dangerous when he catches a cross or slant in stride.

Mario Anderson (the D-II running back) is fun. He LOVES football, and playing for his home state Gamecocks is a lifelong dream. He’s strong, he’s fast, and he plays hard—three of the top traits you want in a running back. If he can be more consistent with finding the hole, he could be really good.

The Gamecock tight ends Trey Knox and Josh Simon are good players. Knox struggles to block, but Simon is good at the point of attack. Both players are strong and are good receiving threats. Knox has a knack for finding soft spots in the defense, and Simon is a freak athlete.

Nyck Harbor is a 5-star true freshman who doesn’t play a bunch. He’s new to the wide receiver position so he likely won’t see that many snaps, but at 6’5” and 240 pounds, he is among the fastest sprinters in the world in the 100-meter and 200-meter and will run in the Olympics. If #8 is in the game, fans have to watch for him because he might do something special.

On defense, Carolina has been led by two players this season. Defensive tackle TJ Sanders leads the team in sacks and has one SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week award. He is athletic and plays with a mean streak. If he has any help up front and can avoid being double-teamed, he will make plays. Freshman safety Jalon Kilgore is in the top-5 in the SEC in tackles and will be a special player.

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Linebacker Debo Williams will flash at times. He’s extremely aggressive and is one of the hardest hitters in the country. His inconsistencies with the mental side of the game keep him from being great as he struggles with run fits and is a bad player in coverage.

Cornerback Marcellas Dial has lockdown potential, and he has shut down some talented receivers at times in his career. However, he susceptible to busts and is a poor tackler. Nick Emmanwori (a safety who will play nickel on Saturday) and DQ Smith were freshmen All-Americans at safety and are good run support players.

SS: What will need South Carolina need to do on Saturday to come away with an upset on the road? The Gamecocks are currently 7.5-point underdogs. How do you see this game going?

KM: If the Gamecocks are going to win in COMO, they have to create turnovers. The defense isn’t good enough to stop Brady Cook and Luther Burden, both of whom would be on All-SEC teams if the season ended today. They probably aren’t good enough to stop Cody Schrader, either. However, if the Gamecocks can go back to their 2021 and 2022 defensive ways and take the ball away from the Tigers a time or two, the offense is good enough to win the game.

Drink and Company have a pretty well-established plan for how they attack Beamer’s Carolina teams. In very boa constrictor-like fashion, he has choked the life out of the Gamecocks the last two seasons (and even in 2020 when Mike Bobo was the interim head coach after Muschamp’s firing). However, this game feels like it will be different as Spencer Rattler is different. In what will be a sneaky matchup between two of the SEC’s top quarterback-wide receiver duos (Rattler-Legette, Cook-Burden), I see this game looking a lot like South Carolina’s game last Saturday against Florida. I think both offenses will have success. Which defense can step up with more big stops, turnovers, or forced field goals will get the win. If pressed to pick a score, I think the home environment gives the Mizzou defense a little extra edge to slow the Gamecocks in the second half and push the Tigers to a 38-31 victory.

A thank you to Kevin for taking his time on these as he provided a lot of good stuff. Visit Garnet and Cocky and follow them on Twitter for South Carolina coverage this week.

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The Verdict: South Carolina was built for this moment

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South Carolina football superfan Chris Paschal writes a weekly column during the season for GamecockCentral called “The Verdict.” Chris is a lawyer at Goings Law Firm in Columbia.

It will have been 44,592 days since Clemson students marched onto our campus with guns drawn when the Gamecocks take the field this Saturday in Death Valley.  Back in 1902, Clemson students were mad because of a cartoon that depicted a Gamecock whipping a Tiger.

They marched on our campus, ready to cause bodily harm, over a cartoon. For 44,592 days, Clemson students, fans, coaches, players, and administrators have done everything but declare war on South Carolina to ensure they remain the superior football program in the state. 

In 1902 there was more than just the cartoon. In 1902, Carolina beat Clemson.

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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution put it best following the game: the Clemson Tiger “was so successfully tamed this morning by Carolina. Its tail was twisted and twisted by the sturdy ‘pig skin pushers’ of Carolina, and after two hours and more of hard battle it gave up further fight, for time was called and it became as tame as the proverbial lamb.”

Carolina upset Clemson who at the time was led by John Heisman and was considered one of the great southern football powers. I think that too probably had a little something to do with the hostilities and hurt feelings coming from the Clemson students. 

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For the 121st time this Saturday, it will be Carolina and Clemson playing a football game against each other. And while we are past the days of armed invasions, you can’t help but think this Saturday’s showdown may be the most consequential in the series’ history.

There have certainly been big matchups in years past. I am not discounting 1987. I am not overlooking 1979. I understand 2011-2013 featured some great teams. But this coming Saturday, both Clemson and Carolina will still be alive and in contention to bring home a national title.

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The chances for both are not significant, but they are legitimate. For the first time in the entirety of the rivalry’s history, both Carolina and Clemson fans can hope that with a win over their hated rival they are one step closer to a playoff berth, which means one more step closer in the quest for a national championship. 

Hopefully, the players donning the garnet and black won’t think similar thoughts as they run out onto the field for what should be a cold but sunny day. This game to the players needs to be about one thing: beating a team they are better than.

In continuing the list of firsts, for the first time in roughly a decade, South Carolina will have what I consider to be the better football team when they kick the ball off against Clemson. I think we have a better defense, I think we have a better offensive line, I think we have skill position players that are just as good as Clemson’s (if not better), and I think we have the better quarterback.

But that is what I think. I am an attorney. I am a fan.  Clemson players won’t just roll over because I declared we have the better team. In fact, I expect this Dabo Swinney-led Clemson football team to fight like hell in an effort to keep their thumb still firmly on top of us. 

Like Clemson fans, I think Clemson football players and coaches also think it is their birthright to beat the Gamecocks. And why shouldn’t they?

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Clemson has won eight out of the last nine against Carolina. They have danced on our sidelines in the fourth quarter to Sandstorm, they have talked about how they think they will dominate us; they have talked about how we aren’t the real USC nor are we the real Carolina.

Underneath this façade of respect and admiration for this year’s Carolina team, Clemson fans (and I assume players) quietly assume 2024 will be just like most other recent years. They assume the moment will be too big, they assume the ghosts of years past will be too much, and they assume that by about 3:30 in the afternoon, Carolina will have once again not been physically or mentally strong enough to defeat Clemson. 

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But I also think these assumptions, which often manifest themself in a holier-than-thou arrogance, stem from a small shred of doubt and fear that has crept into their minds. Carolina fans had no idea Clemson was passing the Gamecocks as a football program until it was too late. From 2009-2013, Carolina won five straight over Clemson. They assumed Clemson and their bumpkin coach were finally second fiddle to the Gamecocks. They ignored Clemson’s recruiting successes, they explained away Clemson’s double-digit win seasons as illegitimate due to being in the ACC, and they watched Clemson build a juggernaut that had passed Carolina in a very real and lasting way by 2014. 

All it took was one whipping in 2014 for Carolina fans to realize that Clemson was now on a path that would destroy Gamecock hopes and dreams for many years to come. That feeling of “oh, crap” that Carolina fans felt in the few weeks leading up to the 2014 Clemson games, I wonder if Clemson fans are feeling that very same thing leading up to this Saturday’s game.

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Maybe the thought of Carolina passing Clemson as a program hasn’t even crossed their minds. Maybe it is absurd that I would mention that in this column. Maybe by the final snap on Saturday, Clemson will have soundly defeated Carolina and made me and so many hopeful Gamecock fans look foolish. 

Or maybe Harbor, Kennard, Stewart, Hemingway, Sanders, Knight, Emmanwori, Sellers, and so many other Gamecock stalwarts are capable of handling business and showing we do have the better team.

A win this weekend could be program defining. It at the very least could be season defining.

Is Shane Beamer and this Gamecock program always a bridesmaid but never the bride?  Or is this team going to let this state and this nation understand that this is a new type of Gamecock football program?

We won’t know until Saturday, but I will be in Clemson cheering Carolina on, with the hope – the belief – that we will see that latter. Let’s tame the tiger once again into the proverbial lamb.

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Warde Manuel discusses how Clemson-South Carolina winner could see College Football Playoff resume boosted

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Ranked No. 12, Clemson is just on the outside looking in at the College Football Playoff. But the Tigers could help their case on Saturday.

Hosting in-state rival and No. 15 ranked South Carolina, Clemson could notch a very meaningful win. And on top of being the best win the Tigers would have notched all season, it would be a strong final argument to make for the selection committee — assuming Clemson doesn’t back into the ACC title game.

While he didn’t comment on specifics of a hypothetical, CFP selection committee chair Warde Manuel acknowledged a win would surely help Clemson’s case to snag an at-large bid, when asked directly about the Tigers.

“I’ll continue to say we don’t look forward and we don’t project, but winning always helps. I will say that,” Manuel said. “When teams win, we value what they do. I don’t know what that would mean towards where they will be in projecting, but there is value in winning games.”

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And it’s a boost that could cut both ways. As much as a win could help Clemson, it could be equally valuable to South Carolina as the Gamecocks try to get in position for an improbable at-large bid, one that would require some chaos ahead in the rankings.

Manuel also explained why Clemson slotted at No. 12 ahead of a cadre of SEC teams.

With Clemson slotted in at No. 12 in the latest College Football Playoff rankings, ahead of the likes of Alabama and Ole Miss, the decision of skeptics, despite the Tigers having a slightly better win-loss record.

Both the Crimson Tide and Rebels are 8-3, but have arguably better resumes than Clemson, which lacks many big wins. Nevertheless, the selection committee found the Tigers resume to be just enough to put them ahead, according to Manuel.

“Well, Clemson slid up with some losses ahead of them by Alabama and Mississippi, and they had a win against Citadel, obviously, but that wasn’t the big reason,” Manuel said. “Obviously they’re at 9-2, with only two losses. The teams right behind them have three losses. We just felt as a committee as we looked at their body of work, with three straight wins after their loss to Louisville, including back-to-back wins against Virginia Tech and Pitt, that they deserved to move up into that 12th position.”

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Manuel also discussed how the committee came to the decision to delineate Alabama and Ole Miss as the No. 13 and No. 14 teams, respectively.

Three SEC teams – Alabama, Ole Miss and South Carolina – have three losses, and all eyes were on where they’d come in during the fourth rankings reveal.

Ultimately, Alabama came in as the highest-ranked of the group at No. 13, followed by Ole Miss at No. 14 and South Carolina at No. 15. According to Manuel, that decision was largely due to head-to-head matchups.

Manuel said the Crimson Tide’s resume – which includes wins over GeorgiaMissouri and LSU – was a separator in the committee’s decision. But since Alabama and Ole Miss both have wins over South Carolina, that led them to come in at 13, 14 and 15, respectively.



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Shane Beamer updates injuries going into Clemson game

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For the first time really all year, South Carolina football is facing some injury questions. Wide reciever Jared Brown, tight ends Joshua Simon and Michael Smith all missed the Wofford game last week, forcing the Gamecocks to change up their approach offensively and play with one or no tight ends all day.

On Tuesday afternoon at his weekly press conference, Shane Beamer updated the injury sitution going into Saturday’s game at Clemson.

Regarding Brown, Beamer said “he’ll be fine” and confirmed the Coastal Carolina transfer will play in his first rivalry game this weekend. Wide reciever Vandrevius Jacobs on the other hand is out this weekend with a hamstring injury he suffered against Wofford.

Beamer did not have a further update on either of the tight ends, simply saying “we’ll see” with regards to Simon and Smith.

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