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Top Titles From Portugal at Annecy, from Milestones to Stunning 2D and a Vibrant New Generation With Attitude and High-Art    

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As ever more Portuguese directors plan their first animated feature, Annecy is staging a timely Tribute to Portuguese Animation, its 2024 Country of Honor, with a seven section spread of key titles.   

Variety has made its own selection of that selection, profiling modern milestones such as Abi Feijo’s “The Outlaws” and José Miguel Ribeiro’s “The Suspect” and taking in Regina Pessoa’s “Uncle Thomas, Accounting for the Days,” the dazzling 2D of BAP, Zagreb Animafest winner “The Garbage Man” and Oscar-nominated ‘Ice Merchants.” 

There’s a larger narrative to the titles: the step-by-step and very often collaborative growth of a craft industry of social point and high artistic ambition prized at home and ever more abroad. 

As multiple leading lights of the Portugal’s animation industry contemplate feature film creation, Annecy’s Tribute is a reminder of what Portugal has already achieved. 

Some highlights: 

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“Ice Merchants,” (João Gonzalez, 2022)

Portugal’s first ever Oscar nominee, in any category. Every day a father and son parachute from a rickety house suspended by pulleys above the vertigo-inducing abyss of an icy cliff in order to sell ice to a village thousands of feet below. Painterly in palette and superbly scored by Gonzalez from the sound of creaking ropes to his music, an edge-of-the -eat thriller whose real triumph is its heartrending tale of loss and the saving grace of family love. Produced by Bruno Caetano at Coletivo Audiovisual (COLA), the Royal College of Art and Michaël Proença at Wildstream.

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“The Outlaws,” (Abi Feijó, 1993)

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If modern Portuguese animation lifts off, it is most probably with Feijó’s “The Outlaws,” a Special Jury Award winner at 1994’s Cartoon d’Or. A fully developed narrative – a Feijó hallmark – brooding orchestral score and flickering black and white drawing on paper compose a film noir of large political point about Portugal and Spain’s own 1940s crime world. Here that means Portugal’s illicit part in the slaughter of Republic renegades caught hiding in border mountains after defeat in the Civil War. A bracing modern classic.  

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“Tale of the Cat and the Moon,” (Pedro Serrazina, 1995)

Serrazina’s first short and another early modern title which helped put Portugal on the international map, proving a major hit abroad after screening in competition at Cannes in 1996. The tale of a cat enchanted by an ever elusive moon is drawn in inspired black and white with sharp light, dark shadows and swirling figures, the tale capped by a dreams-can-come-true ending. Produced by Abi Feijó’s Filmógrafo. 

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“The Suspect,” (“A Suspeita,” José Miguel Ribeiro, 1999)

Another modern milestone in Portuguese animation. Four figures share a train compartment on a slow trip through picturesque hills. But “Train Killer” is on the loose, one occupant reads in his newspaper, and he fears he’s one of the occupants. A stop-motion comedy sluiced with Hitchcockian suspense and humor which won a 2000 Cartoon d’Or and made the reputation of Ribeiro, one of Portuguese animation’s modern – and most stylistically eclectic – greats. Ahead, his love affair with Africa, expressed in travel memoir “A Journey to Cape Verde” (2010), an island road movie of self discovery, and Angola-set Annecy animated feature hit “Nayola” (2022).  

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“Tragic Story With Happy Ending,” (Regina Pessoa, 2005)

A Crystal Award winner at Annecy, going on to become the most multi-prized film in Portuguese history. Pessoa used photocopies with images scratched into India ink on glossy paper to create this short’s aesthetic. It’s a story of acceptance, by oneself and one’s community, as we track a girl with a heartbeat too loud for everyone. Believing she has the heart of a bird, she longs to take flight as the individual she truly is. The middle child of Pessoa’s trilogy on childhood which began with “A noite” and was completed by the Christopher Plummer-narrated “Kali the Little Vampire.” 

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“Uncle Thomas, Accounting for the Days,” (Regina Pessoa, 2018)

A 2019 Annecy Jury Award winner, and the crowning triumph – to date – for Pessoa, creator of this year’s Annecy poster, the godmother of MIFA campus and Masterclass speaker as part of the Portuguese Animation Country of Honor. Exacting in its style – adding stop motion to her traditional 2D and a sense of engraving – “Uncle Thomas,” is, however, initially personal in inspiration, a tribute to Pessoa’s own uncle who suffered some form of OCD but nevertheless lit in her love of drawing. A deeply moving homage.

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“Augur,” (David Doutel, Vasco Sá, 2018)

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Over the last 20 years, there has been no more fertile breeding ground for young Portuguese animation talent than Bando À Parte, set up in 2011, and co-operative BAP Animation Studio, launched in 2018. Via them Doutel and Sá have produced a significant number of the shorts featured at Annecy’s Portugal County of Honor Tribute. They are also, however, directors of four shorts, three at Annecy: 2014’s “Soot,” 2018’s “Augur” and 2022’s “Garrano.” 2D shorts of often stunning beauty, they are also psychological dramas offering memorable portraits of male loss, hopelessness and callousness, set in the context of Northern Portugal.      

“The Garbage Man,” (Laura Gonçalves, 2022)

A 2022 Zagreb Animafest top prize winner, taking one of the most coveted prizes on the international animation scene. A family gathers around an enormous table, eat and drink and remember the figure of Uncle Manel Botão. Forced by poverty to emigrate to Paris, he would collect almost new trash for his family in Portugal: a set of crystal glasses, lamps, a bicycle, even a hand-held electric scythe. Animated in shimmering 2D, this is a homage to a man, but very much more a celebration of collectivity, from the portrait of Botão, with multiple family members adding shared memories, to the rambunctious band beginning and ending the short to the very way the film was made, invoking many of Portugal’s good and great animators in multiple labors. Produced by Bando À Parte, with the support of BAP Animation Studios. 

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“Tie,” (“Elo,” Alexandra Ramires (Xá), 2020) 

A 2020 Chicago Gold Hugo winner for best animated short, Tie” takes place under a gloomy sun and in high grass where a dog collapses and dies. A boy with a minute body literally bumps into a man with a minute head. They join forces, or bodies. Driven by surreal logic, a parable of survival and adaptation drawn with pencil on paper, the film marks yet another title from collaborators at Portugal’s Bando À Parte art pic powerhouse, six of whom – Ramires, Doutel, Sá, Mihajlovic, Gonçalves, Rocha, –  direct titles in this selection. 

“O Melhor da Rua,” (Artur Correia,” 1966)

Annecy’s 1967 Advertising Film Award laureate, Portugal’s first win at the festival. Running a mere 30 seconds this Schweppes ad is as follows – a bar owner entices his customers with a giant sign reading Town Bar. The rival establishment, opposite, renames their joint Europe Bar. So, the former puts World Bar, the rival puts Universe Bar, then all its customers flee to the original bar, winning with the unbeatable Bar Schweppes sign. Correia, born in 1932, had studied graphics at Castro in the 1950s and balanced his career between comics, animation and advertising.

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“Purpleboy,” (Alexandre Siquiera, 2019)

A Grand Prize winner at Brussels’ 2020 Anima Festival, among a slew of prizes, a fantasy gender identity adventure. Grain  grows in his parents garden, wants to be a boy becoming a brave aviator like his father. Born in the body of a girl, he suffers persecution. A tragic event proves his salvation. Sluiced by magic realism and endowed with far larger narrative than most titles in this selection, made by Bando À Parte in association with Rainbow Productions, Ambiances, and Luna Blue Film.   

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“Almost Forgotten,” (“Quase Me Lembro,” Miguel Lima, Dimitri Mihajlovic, 2023)

A woman tries to rebuild the story of her grandfather’s house, imagining she revisits it and explores its rooms in dim light. There she encounters her grandfather, an Angolan War vet still suffering PTSD, hearing words he spoke in her childhood: : “Promises, promises, it was all lies”; “it was kill or be killed.” The film builds to a dramatic, doubly violent climax. Made with 2D animation with analog painting over inkjet printings, mastering mood and memory, the short was a finalist at the 2024 Quirino Awards. BAP Animation Studios’ produced. 

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“Antonio María’s Nightmare,” (Joaquim Guerreiro, 1923)

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Guerreiro’s pioneering spirit brought to life Portugal’s first animated short, released on Jan. 25, 1923. This two-minute film, since lost, caricatured then Prime Minister António Maria da Silva. Guerreiro also immortalized the short in a comic strip for Tiro Ao Alvo. The late 1990s saw the rediscovery of the original 150 drawings in a second-hand bookstore, allowing for a 2001 reconstruction, complete with a new soundtrack by António Victorino d’Almeida. The short sees the prime minister have a nightmare where Portugal’s proletariat are fulfilling their Bolshevik dream.

“Because This Is My Craft,” (Paulo Monteiro, 2018)

A homage made by first-person voiceover dedicated by Monteiro to his father who dazzled him as a child, he recalls, with his stories of his travels by plane and ship, exploits as a hockey and volleyball player, and anecdotes of sperm whaling in a small rowing boat with fishermen of the Azores’ Faial Island. As the narrator speaks, his child’s imagination recreates the scenes he once imagined with precise pencil-drawn black and white line animation infused by quaint fantasy. The film won best Portuguese short at the 2019 Monstra – Lisbon Film Festival.

“Between the Shadows,” (Alice Guimarães, Monica Santos, 2018) 

A bored bank clerk whose clients pawn their hearts meets a tall dark stranger, who begs her help. Directed by Guimarães (“Amelia & Duarte”) and Mónica Santos (“The Pink Jacket”), a feminist fantasy film noir mixing real-life actors, stop-motion and a surreal big city background which scored a 2018 Cesar nomination in France and proved a fest favourite. From Portugal’s Animais, Um Minuto and France’s Vivamente Lundi!    

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“Birds,” (Filipe Abranches, 2009)

In a surreal world a birdlike wizened lady tends to her caged birds, prepping a chicken stew, all soundtracked with chirps and a fitting dissonant soundtrack. Perhaps director Abranches has his parents to thank for buying “small bags filled with comics at the beach’s kiosk.” providing a steady supply of visual fodder to call upon. He has managed to balance animation, teaching, and comics, founding Umbra the independent Portuguese comic publisher.

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“Cold Soup,” (“Sopa Fria,” Marta Monteiro, 2023)

A 2024 Quirinos best animation design winner, in which a women remembers years of domestic abuse, tellingly drawn as just an outline in her memories as she recounts how at first she thought the failure of her marriage was just her fault. As scenes roll, drawn in kitsch greens and pinks, and years roll by, “when he lost his job, he was so stressed he would hit me,” she recounts. And background colors change to black or she imagines herself shut up in a glass cubicle. A pained and painful story.   

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“The Sounds From the Drawers,” (“Das Gavetas Nascem Sons,” Vitor Hugo Rocha, 2017)

A 2017 breakthrough from the close circle of animators at Bando À Parte and now BAP Animation Studio. Here, the contents of a higgeldy-piggedly row of 42 wooden drawers gain life sparking abstract animation and short shards of memory, such as of a small boy peddling down a long corridor at a hellbent pace. The wood of the drawers is so well drawn you can almost smell it. Best experimental short at Lisbon’s 2018 Animation Monstra Festival.

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“Fado Do Homen Crescido,” (Pedro Brito, 2012)

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The tension between the fanciful and the imaginative play out in a Lisbon tavern as a man sits in a state of reminiscence. We rattle through fragments of his memory from a childhood spent within the city. The joy of his footballing heroes in sticker albums, and the street kickabouts’ they inspired, are set against the backdrop of crime taking place alongside the day to day of clothes hanging to dry. Its 2D animation is colored bright with shades of pastel red used throughout.

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“Fragments,” (José Miguel Ribeiro, 2016)

Winner of Locarno’s Leopard of Tomorrow in 2016. In the pulsing arteries of an urban Portugal, amidst the excitement of the Euros semi final, Mario reconnects with his estranged father, who recounts a haunting war story. The narrative intertwines past and present, exploring generational anger and trauma. “You were an introverted child. You didn’t speak much…I spoke too much it seems” the father admits to Mario. Directed by Ribeiro, this 2D, stop-motion, and live-action mix shows the techniques and talent he’d take on to his Annecy competition title, the feature “Nayola.”

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“A Mind Sang,” (“A Mãe De Sangue,” Vier Nev, 2019)

A piece of virtuouso filmmaking from Nev, who mostly works on VR projects, which won Vimeo Staff Pick Award at 2020’s Annecy. The tour-de-force animation presents images that can be seen two ways, telling a story of couples kissing, coupling and the blood and violence of birth. Meanwhile, am outlined hand is also a man, a face contains two hands, there is a screen of faces or foetuses, two faces compose together the body of a woman, and a foetus tipped upside down becomes a cat in a gothic garden scape. Drawn in broad black and white strokes with a striking use of red for fire and blood accompanied by a moody ‘50s psychological thriller orchestral score.    

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“Stuart,” (Zepe (José Pedro Cavalheiro), 2006)

A jazz soundtrack lilts as we are swept in perpetual motion through the Lisbon alleyways beloved by artist Stuart de Carvalhais. This is an homage chasing after his graphic work. Hand drawn in an often boiling black and white, there is a film noir feel as the shadow of Stuart de Carvalhais’ hat adorned figure looms throughout. Cavalheiro, also known as Zepe, teaches extensively and his fascination with the illusion of movement has influenced many.

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WARNING: This article includes graphic and disturbing accounts from the October 7 massacre in Israel.

Hamas and its Palestinian collaborators used sexual and gender-based violence “deliberately and systematically” as an inherent part of a wider strategy of the 2023 massacres in southern Israel, according to a report released Tuesday by the Civil Commission on Oct. 7 Crimes Against Women and Children.

The Israeli nonprofit said its investigation documented evidence of abuse at multiple sites during the Oct. 7 terror invasion, including the Nova Music Festival, kibbutzim near the Gaza border, Israel Defense Forces bases, among hostages in captivity and in the condition of recovered bodies showing signs consistent with sexual violence.

According to the report, investigators identified at least 13 recurring forms of abuse, including rape, sexual torture, shootings directed at victims’ genital areas and abuse carried out after death.

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ISRAEL’S QUEST FOR JUSTICE EXPOSES HAMAS’ SYSTEMATIC SEXUAL VIOLENCE CAMPAIGN DURING OCTOBER 7 MASSACRE

A Hamas terrorist is seen walking around a residential neighborhood in southern Israel in undated bodycam footage released by the Israel Defense Forces. The footage was shown to foreign correspondents on Oct. 16, 2023, as part of a 40-minute reel compiled from the Hamas attack on Oct. 7. (Israel Defense Forces/AP)

Dr. Cochav Elkayam-Levy, founder and chair of the Civil Commission and a principal co-author of the report, told Fox News Digital that the greatest challenge in compiling the findings was the team’s repeated exposure to graphic material and the trauma associated with reviewing it on a regular basis.

“We had to not only collect materials, but also review and analyze it alongside forensic experts while witnessing human suffering at its worst,” Elkayam-Levy said. “What motivated us was the denial, the hesitation and the questioning. We wanted to ensure that the world knows what happened to the victims.

“For us, it is a final act of justice for the victims,” she added.

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The report also detailed cases in which sexual violence was inflicted in front of or involving family members, including one incident in which relatives were allegedly forced to carry out acts on each other.

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People visit the site of the Nova music festival in Re’im, southern Israel, where revelers were killed in a cross-border attack by Hamas on Oct. 7, 2023. The visit took place on Jan. 14, 2024, marking 100 days since the start of the war between Israel and Hamas. (Leo Correa/AP)

It further accused Hamas and allied perpetrators of using videos, digital platforms and social media as tools to magnify psychological harm, spread fear and publicize the attacks, including by distributing sexualized material.

Elkayam-Levy said she hopes the findings will not remain confined to academics, human rights organizations or activists, but will also be studied by counterterrorism and national security experts to better understand and confront such atrocities.

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“We cannot prevent what we do not fully understand,” Elkayam-Levy said. “No single prosecution could ever capture the full magnitude of these crimes in the way this report does. It is therefore critical that policymakers, decision-makers, members of Congress and senators find ways to formally recognize these findings and hold hearings so we can begin addressing this issue. We want the findings of this report to receive formal institutional recognition.”

The report, Elkayam-Levy noted, underscores that victims of the Oct. 7 atrocities came from 52 countries, highlighting the global scope and impact of the attack.

Witness testimony cited in the report included an account of a woman being sexually assaulted before being beheaded. Another witness described seeing a woman dragged from a vehicle, pinned against a wall, repeatedly raped and then stabbed, with the assault allegedly continuing after her death.

In another case, a witness described discovering the body of a man whose genitals had been severed, lying beside the body of a woman holding them, in what the report described as an apparent effort to degrade and humiliate the victims.

A Hamas terrorist is seen walking around a residential neighborhood in southern Israel in undated bodycam footage released by the Israel Defense Forces amid the Hamas attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023. (Israel Defense Forces/AP)

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Investigators said some female victims were found naked or partially unclothed, with evidence of severe mutilation and objects including grenades, nails and household tools inserted into their bodies. The report also cited gunshot wounds, cuts and burn injuries concentrated on intimate areas.

The report said some female bodies brought to morgues showed broken pelvises or legs, bloodied underwear and additional trauma to the abdomen or groin.

Former hostages, both women and men, have also testified to rape, sexual torture and other forms of abuse during abduction or captivity, according to the report. It said some female captives reported sexual assaults while receiving treatment in Gaza hospitals for injuries sustained during the attacks.

A bloodied handprint stains a wall inside a house in the Nir Oz kibbutz near the Gaza border after a Hamas attack days earlier. (Alexi J. Rosenfeld/Getty Images)

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Male hostages likewise described sexual abuse while in captivity, including assaults in showers and incidents carried out under armed threat while victims were naked, the report said. One former hostage recounted being sexually assaulted when a captor forcibly rubbed his genitals against the victim’s anus.

Last month, former hostage Rom Braslavski recounted the abuse he said he endured during captivity in an exclusive interview with Fox News Digital.

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“They would hit me with whatever they had on hand. I underwent severe torture, bondage and sexual abuse. Everything they could do to me, they did. My body is still covered in scars. After four months of torture, I was clinically dead, rolling my eyes and passing out. They decided to stop the violence and brought doctors to treat me with injections and gave me food again,” he said.

The report said sexual and gender-based violence was “widespread and systematic” and constituted an “integral component” of both the Oct. 7 attacks and the subsequent treatment of captives, while calling the prosecution of such crimes an “urgent” priority to be pursued through international accountability mechanisms.

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A soldier of the Military Rabbinate unit opens a container holding bodies killed during the Hamas attack on Israel’s southern border as identification continues at the Shura army base in Ramle, Israel, on Oct. 24, 2023. (Amir Levy/Getty Images)

Among its recommendations, the commission called for targeted sanctions against individuals and entities accused of carrying out or materially supporting the Oct. 7 attack and its aftermath. It also urged action against what it described as denial, minimization or politicization of the sexual crimes committed during the massacre and in captivity.

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“The Commission further recommends that Israel adopt a comprehensive gender strategy within its prosecutorial framework and establish a specialized chamber or panel of judges dedicated to the prosecution of sexual and gender-based crimes committed on October 7th and during captivity,” the report said.

Elkayam-Levy said the report has received widespread international attention, including front-page coverage in U.S. and global media outlets. “We feel the discussion has shifted from questioning whether these crimes occurred to examining their consequences,” she said. “There is now a substantial legal evidentiary foundation preserved in a secure archive that cannot be denied.”

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Spanish row fuels north–south tensions ahead of tough EU budget talks

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The Spanish government is seeking to contain a scandal linked to EU pandemic funds, categorically denying that it used European money to pay pensions, as member states prepare for tough budget talks amid deep divisions over how funding should be allocated.

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An official in Madrid with direct knowledge of how EU funds are structured told Euronews that a technical matter is being instrumentalised in a way that is “simply false”, accusing the opposition of playing politics over what it describes as an accounting issue.

A Spanish budget watchdog reported earlier this month that the government of Pedro Sánchez used budget credits linked to the EU’s Recovery and Resilience Facility (RRF), an economic plan partly funded through common debt designed to revitalise the bloc’s economy after Covid, to partly finance Spanish pensions in November 2024.

Madrid insists it did not breach the rules.

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The European Commission asked Madrid for clarification after initial newspaper reports, according to a person familiar with the matter. It did not issue a follow-up request once Madrid provided an explanation, and Spanish authorities consider the issue closed.

However, the political scandal lingers, even as Madrid insists that “not a single euro” of EU money has been misused, amid backlash in so-called frugal countries. Spain and Italy were the biggest beneficiaries of the €750 billion recovery fund approved in summer 2020 after difficult talks.

In Madrid, the opposition People’s Party has demanded that Sánchez appear before Congress to explain the matter. The issue is also making waves in the European Parliament, with strong reactions from conservative lawmakers.

“If these allegations are confirmed, we are facing a serious abuse of European taxpayers’ money,” wrote Tomáš Zdechovský (Czechia/EPP), an influential centre-right member of the European Parliament’s budgetary committee, on X. “Europe cannot tolerate any misuse of recovery funds.”

“Is €10 billion in EU funds, intended for recovery after the pandemic, quietly being used to help pay Spanish pensions? It would confirm our worst fears about these funds,” said Dirk Gotink (The Netherlands/EPP).

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Madrid sources insist the issue is being overblown for political purposes.

A government official pointed to the country’s economic performance and pushed back against the frugal-versus-south narrative, which often presents the wealthier north subsidising the weaker south. “Spain is the fastest growing economy in Europe, Germany is not paying our pensions,” said a second Madrid official.

The incident does, however, underscore the additional complications the country is facing due to its inability to approve a budget in a fragmented parliament. After failing to deliver a fresh budget for 2025, Madrid was forced to roll over a plan approved in 2023.

A fight over the EU’s financial future

The timing of the controversy is particularly sensitive.

Brussels is preparing to launch negotiations on the next Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF), the EU’s seven-year budget for 2028–2034, and a central question will be what to do with the roughly €750 billion in joint debt accumulated through the recovery plan.

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That programme was the largest and most politically consequential collective borrowing exercise in EU history. Whether it is ultimately seen as a success or a cautionary tale will inevitably shape how member states approach future proposals for shared financing.

Spain, the second-largest recipient of the initiative’s funding with a total of around €60 billion already received, has been among the most vocal advocates for an ambitious European budget and a permanent mechanism to pool financing needs.

Spanish Finance Minister Carlos Cuerpo has argued that pooling national debt at the EU level could generate annual savings of up to €25 billion.

Cuerpo, who is now Sánchez’s number two in government, echoed remarks made by France, Mario Draghi and a number of European intellectuals calling for a more efficient borrowing mechanism that would allow the EU to tap into the European Commission’s triple-A rating and lower financing costs for all 27 member states.

While the European Commission’s current budget proposal does not include new borrowing, contentious debate lies ahead over how to finance the repayment of existing recovery debt. Frugal northern countries like the Netherlands and Germany favour strict repayment schedules, even if that means cuts to other spending programmes.

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On Thursday, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz reiterated his country’s opposition, even if the German central bank has been more nuanced about the benefits and risks of pooling debt.

Southern member states, including France and Greece, are pushing to roll over the debt accumulated during the pandemic, with President Emmanuel Macron describing calls for early repayments as “idiotic”. Paris is an advocate of a European safe-asset mechanism.

A European official supportive of the plan said the Spanish controversy is being weaponised not so much against Madrid, but against proposals put forward by southern countries ahead of the budget talks.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if this is used to kill rollover proposal,” the diplomat said.

The issue of the next European budget will feature in an EU summit scheduled in June.

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U.S. and China Will Start Discussing A.I. Safety, Bessent Says

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The United States and China will discuss guardrails on artificial intelligence, including establishing a protocol for keeping powerful A.I. models out of the hands of nonstate actors, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said on Thursday.

Mr. Bessent, who was speaking from Beijing in an interview with CNBC, did not give more details, including when these discussions would take place. But Xi Jinping, China’s leader, and President Trump had been expected to discuss A.I. during their summit in the Chinese capital.

If these talks happen, it would be the first time the two countries formally take up the issue during Mr. Trump’s second term. The capabilities and usage of A.I. have grown rapidly, and so have concerns that this technology could be weaponized by hackers and terrorists, or spiral out of human control.

“The two A.I. superpowers are going to start talking,” Mr. Bessent said. “We’re going to set up a protocol in terms of, how do we go forward with best practices for A.I. to make sure nonstate actors don’t get ahold of these models.”

Still, Mr. Bessent made clear that the fierce competition between the United States and China for supremacy in A.I. — which has been a major hurdle to cooperation on safety — remained front of mind for U.S. policymakers. Officials and experts in both countries have argued that they cannot slow technological development and risk losing out to their rivals.

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Mr. Bessent said that the United States was willing to cooperate with China on A.I. safety because “the Chinese are substantially behind us” in terms of the technology’s development.

“I do not think we would be having the same discussions if they were this far ahead of us. So we’re going to put in U.S. best practices, U.S. values, on this, and then roll those out to the world,” Mr. Bessent said.

Experts have suggested that China’s A.I. models may be a few months behind the leading U.S. models.

Another hurdle to the United States and China working together on A.I. safety is that they have generally focused on different potential threats.

American experts have generally highlighted existential risks, such as the possibility of artificial general intelligence, or super-intelligence that exceeds that of humans. Chinese researchers and officials have more often highlighted risks related to social stability and information control, such as the possibility of chatbots producing content that challenges China’s leadership and policies.

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Still, researchers in both countries have highlighted some shared risks, such as the possibility of A.I. being used to develop new biological weapons.

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