Entertainment
On the ‘Laguna Beach’ reunion, this former love triangle is back for nostalgia, not drama
It feels like a relic from a bygone age of simplicity: an entire season of reality TV hinging on the social lives of a group of unpolished teenagers. They gossiped, cried, partied and fought. They worried about college admissions and which shade of polish to choose at the nail salon. They cast longing looks from across the room.
That was “Laguna Beach.”
Series creator Liz Gateley had just started working at MTV in 2003 when she pitched an unscripted series following a real group of high schoolers in Southern California.
“The logline was, ‘90210’ and ‘Heathers’ meets ‘Dawson’s Creek,’’’ because we knew we wanted music to be a big part of it,” Gateley said. “We didn’t know it would be the phenomenon it became.”
Shot more like those glossy dramas than a reality series, every “Laguna Beach” episode opened with Hilary Duff’s “Come Clean” playing over the sun–kissed credits and a title card that let viewers know “the people, the locations and the drama are real.”
For the most part, they were.
At the heart of the first season was a quasi-love triangle between on-again, off-again Laguna Beach High School couple Stephen Colletti and Kristin Cavallari, and Colletti’s close friend (possibly more), Lauren Conrad.
The cast of MTV’s “Laguna Beach,” from left: Stephen Colletti, Kristin Cavallari, Morgan Olsen, Christina Schuller, Trey Phillips, Lo Bosworth, Lauren Conrad and Talan Torriero.
When the series premiered on MTV in 2004, it became an instant (and controversial) hit, made millennial household names out of Cavallari, Colletti and Conrad, and led to the spin-offs “The Hills,” “The City” and “Newport Harbor.”
Now, 10 original cast members, including those stars, have reunited for “The Reunion: Laguna Beach” premiering Friday on the Roku Channel. (The special was originally planned to coincide with the cast’s 20th high school reunion in 2024 but is now loosely timed to the anniversary of the show’s 2006 finale.)
Hosted by actor Casey Wilson, the reunion is an upbeat, feel-good affair, highlighting some of Season 1’s most memorable moments and faces. Cavallari, Colletti and Conrad all served as executive producers and wielded a degree of “creative control,” Colletti said.
“We didn’t want it to be this dramatic, ‘Housewives’-type reunion,” Cavallari said. “We wanted to do it for the nostalgia.”
Ahead of the reunion’s premiere, Colletti and Conrad, both 40, and Cavallari, 39, convened for a lengthy interview with The Times at a beachfront hotel restaurant in Santa Monica. Nestling into a corner booth with the trio felt like sitting with the cool kids you’d only ever watched from afar.
Yet, the three — even Cavallari and Conrad, who were pitted against each other in the 2000s — were warm and chummy, cracking jokes and enthusiastically agreeing with one another.
They’ve come a long way from their high school drama. Conrad has returned to Laguna Beach where she and her husband, the Something Corporate guitarist turned attorney William Tell, are raising their two sons. Cavallari oversees a lifestyle brand in Nashville and shares three children with her ex-husband, the former NFL quarterback Jay Cutler. And Colletti recently appeared on “The Traitors” and stars in the upcoming second season of the comedy “Everyone Is Doing Great.” He and his wife, NASCAR host Alex Weaver, are currently expecting their first child.
These are edited excerpts from the conversation.
How did the reunion come about? Did anyone require convincing?
Cavallari: I credit Stephen for all of this, because the [“Back to the Beach”] podcast [co-hosted by Cavallari and Colletti] was his idea, and then from there, the reunion.
Colletti: When I first called Lauren about it, she was like, “Alright, I have a few questions.” You didn’t shoot it down right away, but you could tell there were some things that we needed to work through for this to make sense, and rightfully so.
Conrad: For me, just the idea of bringing cameras back into my life was very nerve-racking, but we were all executive producers. We all had a say, so we felt like we had a bit of control, which, in the past, we haven’t.
Conrad, Colletti and Cavallari are all executive producers on “The Reunion: Laguna Beach.”
(Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)
The “Laguna Beach” producers chose your high school for the show in 2003 and then began selecting interested students to star. What do you remember about your applications?
Cavallari: I just remember trying to make myself stand out. I was competitive. I didn’t even have the foresight to be like, “Do I want to be on TV?” It was more like, “I want to win this thing,” like I’m competing to be on TV. Everybody was vying for it.
Colletti: I remember doing some of the interviews [with the producers], and I’m freaking mumbling. I’ve got this pineapple hair. I’m trying to be like Freddie Prinze Jr. I didn’t know who I was.
What was your understanding of what being on reality TV entailed?
Conrad: Well, they put together a package for us. They had filmed for maybe a week, and they showed it to us and our parents before we signed on — and that was pretty different from where we landed.
Cavallari: It was more PG. No real drama, more like a documentary.
Colletti: No s— talking.
Conrad: Just like, “What’s it like to live in a beach town?”
Cavallari: I remember my dad being like, “Well, this is going nowhere. They’re really boring.”
When did you realize that your love triangle was going to be the central storyline of Season 1?
Cavallari: Pretty quickly. In my [audition] interview, a lot of the questions were geared toward it. Obviously, once we started shooting, we got a pretty clear idea.
Colletti: They started to hone in on certain things, or they fed our friends a question to ask us.
Cavallari: I remember having to be very careful about what I said — but not careful enough because I didn’t think about editing. I was just like, “Well, if I don’t say it, what are they going to do?”
Conrad: A look says it all. They’ve admitted to me that in the pilot, at the hotel, they used a scene where I’m looking at a tray of food, and they made it look like I was looking at Stephen.
Lauren and Kristin, you don’t ever really speak face-to-face on “Laguna Beach.” Were there more interactions happening at that time that we didn’t see?
Conrad: No, that was it.
Cavallari: We really did not.
“I have a lot of respect for Lauren, and I think it’s been really nice to get to know this version of her, as adults, as moms, as business owners,” says Kristin Cavallari about her former castmate Lauren Conrad.
(Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)
You two share a really mature conversation in the reunion. How have your perceptions of each other changed over the years?
Cavallari: I have a lot of respect for Lauren, and I think it’s been really nice to get to know this version of her, as adults, as moms, as business owners. We have a lot more in common than I ever thought. I’m just really thankful that we can close this “Laguna Beach” chapter this way. It does feel really therapeutic.
Conrad: I echo everything you said. So much time has passed and pretty quickly after the show ended, we sort of squashed everything, but we’ve lived separately and we don’t see each other ever. So, this was a nice excuse to do it on camera because I think that actually is meaningful for people who were invested in that storyline to see — you grow up and you move on and these things are not that important.
The fashion on the show was pretty iconic during that era. Were you putting much thought into your TV outfits?
Conrad: Not in Season 1. I had to buy all my own clothes, so I’m mostly in a C&C tank top and Miss Sixty [jeans] that I saved up for. It’s all the same outfit, I’m just reversing tanks.
Colletti: For me, it was board shorts all the time. In Season 2, for some reason, we started wearing sports coats over hoodies. Not good.
Cavallari: I wish I cared more in Season 2. That was my senior year, and I was over high school in general, so that carried through to the show and my appearance. Maybe that was part of the appeal, as well. There was this innocence with us just being normal kids.
There were no false lashes or full faces of glam.
Conrad: Oh no, no, no. A lot of it’s, like, last night’s eyeliner.
Cavallari: I always had a zit.
Conrad: Oh, yeah, I know! Not for you, but for me. My skin wasn’t very good.
The cast in 2004, from left: Lo Bosworth, Trey Phillips, Kristin Cavallari, Lauren Conrad, Talan Torriero, Christina Schuller, Morgan Olsen and Steven Colletti.
(MTV)
You were all 16 and 17 when you were cast on “Laguna Beach.” Were there any discussions around, “Be mindful of what you do on camera,” or “This might follow you for the rest of your life”?
[All laugh]
Cavallari: Honestly, no.
Colletti: The only media training that we got was like 30 minutes before the VMAs [Video Music Awards] in Miami right before [the first season of] the show was about to air. They’re like, “If anybody asks, it’s all real.” That’s what we were told. “Don’t say this. Say this,” and “Good luck.”
The show was more tame than most of today’s reality TV, yet there was a lot of on-camera underage drinking.
Cavallari: Oh, yeah. A lot.
Conrad: [The producers] were very aware. They couldn’t buy us alcohol, but they were aware we were drinking.
Did anyone ever step in and say, “Hey, maybe we shouldn’t be filming these teenagers in an inebriated state”?
All: No.
Cavallari: I don’t even remember it ever being a conversation.
Colletti: There was a moment where producers said, “You know you guys are underage, so you can’t be drinking.” But they said it so casually and while the cameras were rolling —
Conrad: — Oh, liability.
Colletti: Yes. I actually felt for a moment, should we put [the drinks] away? And everyone’s like, “No, dude. It’s fine.”
Cavallari: In no way, shape or form was MTV ever pushing it. We were just naturally doing that, like most high school kids back then.
Conrad: On “The Hills,” they had to start filming morning scenes of us hungover because they showed so much drinking. They were like, “We have to show the consequences of drinking.”
Gateley noted that the “Laguna Beach” producers “would have, for sure, stepped in if anyone was not safe.”
Kristin, during the reunion you said that you didn’t realize saying “no” to the producers was an option. What would you have done differently?
Cavallari: I don’t regret anything, it just never crossed my mind. Maybe because I’m a high school kid, and I have these adult producers saying, “Hey, show up here and do this,” and I just assumed that was what I was supposed to do. I wised up later in my reality TV career, but not for a while.
Conrad: I remember [castmate] Lo [Bosworth] used to say no to a lot of stuff. She’d be like, “I’m just not going to go,” and I was like, “I don’t think we can do that!” I was very like, “I signed up, I need to show up.” I can’t remember ever saying no. I questioned stuff sometimes, like the voiceover. I would reword stuff because it would feel a little harsh.
Colletti: They never forced anything on us, but when you’re 17 years old and you’ve signed this contract with MTV, you felt that responsibility.
Cavallari: I realized too that they were going to get what they wanted no matter what, whether you put up a fight about a line or not.
Conrad: I went into the [production] office once and they had a storyboard on a big wall. I realized we were only halfway through the wall, and there was a card like, “Story continues.” I was like, “Oh, my God, what’s going to happen? What comes next?” It felt very “Truman Show.”
In a memorable Season 1 episode, the teens journey to Mexico to spend spring break in Cabo San Lucas. While there, they get drunk at a club. Kristin gets close with another boy and dances on a bar, while Stephen repeatedly yells that she’s a “slut.”
The first Cabo episode —
Colletti: It looms large.
Stephen and Kristin, how do you look back on that now?
Cavallari: We were so young. At 17 and clearly being intoxicated, my go-to was to pop off. So, when I watched it back, I was proud of myself for trying to remove myself from the situation. I can totally appreciate what Stephen was going through. Not everyone has a camera in their face at age 17, and we had to grow up in front of an audience.
Colletti: I had fully locked that away. I don’t even know if I even watched it all the way through [when it aired]. But, ultimately, it boils down to just not [being] proud of the way I acted.
I look at it feeling sorry for us, for those two kids, that this is an embarrassing moment that’s on camera. You wish it’s not there for them, but at the same time, look how far they’ve come from that time and that moment.
Did MTV show you the episodes before they aired?
Conrad: They came the day before.
Colletti: Sometimes, strategically, I think that they ended up arriving the next day. It was like, “Oh, we didn’t get it in the mail to you on time!”
Were they on DVD?
Conrad: VHS! [Executive producer] Adam DiVello bought me a VHS player for my dorm in San Francisco so that I could watch them.
When the show premiered, did your lives change instantly?
Conrad: It felt immediate for me. The first week I arrived at college, [MTV] came out with these posters that said, “They really are this rich and beautiful.” That was the tagline. And I was, like, at art school. I never got to have a college experience because pretty immediately it was like, “Oh, I’m that girl.”
Colletti: The irony is, I wanted to do the show to no longer conform to the trends of high school. I made the choice to go to San Francisco State because not a lot of people from Laguna were going there, and then [everyone] saw this version of me on the show. It was a lot to process — people in the dorm trying to take pictures of you when you’re walking to the shower, or guys at parties trying to fight you just because you’re a guy from a reality show.
Cavallari: I was sort of in a bubble still being in high school. Life felt fairly normal, but then they would call me and be like, “Hey, we need to get on a plane tonight to be on ‘TRL.’ tomorrow.”
The castmates say their lives changed after “Laguna Beach” aired: “It felt immediate for me. The first week I arrived at college, [MTV] came out with these posters that said, ‘They really are this rich and beautiful,’” Lauren Conrad, far left, says.
(Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)
Do you remember what you bought with your first paycheck? It was around $2,000 for the whole first season.
Conrad: I bought a pair of Chanel sunglasses.
Cavallari: I bought a little Chanel purse. I think that was probably the second season, though.
Colletti: I blew it on some golf clubs. I’d always had hand-me-downs from my brother, so the fact that I could buy new golf clubs, I was on top of the world.
Cavallari: I would have done the show for free. I was like, “We’re going to get paid for this?!”
Would you let your kids be on a reality show when they’re in high school?
Cavallari: No, I would never let them do a show like we did. Those are such precious years. When you graduate and you turn 18, that’s one thing. But while you’re a kid, just be a kid.
Conrad: If we were going back and doing it during the time we did it and in that environment, maybe it’s a conversation. Now, with social media, I would have a hard time letting one of my children do it. It’s just so much pressure.
Colletti: I’ve got this master plan of telling my kid that his dad was on a TV show that was really cool back in the day. And then, when he sees his dad on it, he’ll be like, “It’s not cool. I don’t want to do what Dad did.” It’ll deter him or her.
Why do you think “Laguna Beach” continues to resonate?
Colletti: It represents a very specific time in society, and it was [showcasing] kids who were not trying to become famous. The whole fame machine that is reality TV these days, we really did not think we were getting ourselves into that.
Conrad: Nowadays, people do a show and they’re like, “This is going to kickstart my career.” I was looking to make some connections in the fashion industry, but besides that, I wasn’t looking to create a brand or do any of those things. We didn’t seek it out.
Are there any other paths you’d like to pursue that you haven’t? [“The Hills” star] Spencer Pratt is running for L.A. mayor — any chance you’ll have a political career?
Cavallari: No. I feel pretty fortunate that I’ve been able to do a lot of really exciting things over the years. I feel pretty content.
Conrad: Me too. I worked so hard in my 30s. I wanted to do everything, but I’m in a place where I’m so lucky to have my family, and I just want to be present for them.
Colletti: I’m excited to become a dad. It’s such an exciting time. Everything feels right where it should be.
Movie Reviews
Film Review: “Late Fame” – The Art of the Second Act – The Arts Fuse
By David Stewart
Director Kent Jones explores aging, ego, and New York’s literary ghosts in a wry, performance-driven drama led by Willem Dafoe.
Late Fame, directed by Kent Jones
Willem Dafoe in a scene from Late Fame. Photo: IFFBoston
Does creativity remain fertile as one reaches the end of their life? From In a Lonely Place (1950) to The Wonder Boys (2000), a number of films have probed the internal insecurities of the world-weary, burnt-out writer. Directed by respected film critic, former NYFF programmer, and documentarian Kent Jones, Late Fame is a cerebrally warm but satirically stark exploration of the theme, focusing on how the influence of celebrity can upend creativity. Inspired by Arthur Schnitzler’s posthumously titular novella, screenwriter Samy Burch (May December) deliberately discards the dour setting of Schnitzler’s 1920s Vienna for the livelier atmosphere of New York City’s modern-day Lower East Side.
Willem Dafoe plays Ed Saxberger, a postal worker and once-published poet who hasn’t written anything in nearly four decades. His daily grind is comfortably monotonous until Meyers (Edmund Donovan), a young overenthusiastic fan of his, shows up outside his apartment. After persistent wheedling, Meyers introduces Ed to a café salon of various writers who dream of their big break. In reality, the group is made up of pretentious rich boys who haven’t the slightest idea what artists of Ed’s generation went through to be published. Meyers and his wealthy cohorts sit on the far end of the café, away from the social media influencers, as they profess hypocritical Luddite-based principles while taking calls on their cell phones. But these coffee sessions fuel Ed’s once-depleted ego and rekindle his affection for Gloria (Greta Lee), an actress and chanteuse struggling to make her mark. Ed finds himself cajoled by Meyers into writing new material and a memoir as part of a campaign to revive his career by making him the keynote speaker at a public reading. Panic sets in: Ed’s days are spent looking at a blank page as he listens to audiotapes of the poets of his generation, such as Anne Waldman and William Carlos Williams, attempting to foil his writer’s block.
Late Fame is Jones’ reverential (and earnest) love letter to creativity and New York City. The director grew up in the Berkshires before moving to NYC in the ’80s to work on Martin Scorsese’s documentaries. His lens affectionately embraces the eccentric characters in Burch’s script, the remnants of the city’s bygone literary era. His quasi-verité approach to filming the salons hums with a verve reminiscent of Jim Jarmusch’s Stranger Than Paradise (1984) as well as John Cassavetes’ Shadows (1959) and Opening Night (1977). As in Jones’ first narrative feature, Diane (2018), the director finds a transcendent resonance in Ed’s life of self-induced loneliness. He hides his cell phone — only to end up hearing voicemails from his estranged family as he toils in the service of adoring strangers. Meanwhile, Ed has to deal with his social life, his blue-collar postal worker buddies putting down his literary dreams in a dive bar worthy of a visit from Charles Bukowski.
Dafoe is a consistently engaging actor. His composed presence here is not unlike Jack Nicholson’s David Staebler in Bob Rafelson’s The King of Marvin Gardens (1972). He is reluctant to go along with the insane plans of those around him; we know this because we hear him reflect on his plight during nightly walks around the city. Dafoe started his career in the late ’70s as a member of the experimental theatre company the Wooster Group, and his reenactment of Ed’s spirited youthful performances evokes an edgy energy. Greta Lee taps into Sally Bowles–styled stamina; she lights up Ed’s life, serenading him as she sings Kurt Weill numbers in a downtown cabaret. (The film that inspired Jones to become a critic and director was Bob Fosse’s Cabaret (1972).) Edmund Donovan’s hyperactive performance as Meyers lampoons those who are oblivious to the barriers posed by class and unable to separate the rewards of creativity from those of instant gratification. Late Fame has its creative limitations: Ed’s past as an alcoholic and Gloria’s psychological conflicts are underexplored. Still, the depth of Dafoe and Lee’s performances makes up for these weaknesses; the pair help amplify the suspense that holds the film’s third act together.
The film’s visuals are a tactile plus. The handheld camerawork of Wyatt Garfield, who shot Jones’ previous film along with Beasts of the Southern Wild (2012), underscores the morbidity of Ed’s isolation and the reverie of his newfound friends. Editor Mike Selemon has cut the snappy wit and pathos in Burch’s script with a sharp eye. Don Fleming’s bluesy guitar score evokes the sounds of John Lurie and other No Wave musicians who were a big part of the downtown New York scene of the late ’70s, when Ed established his career.
In his preface to The Picture of Dorian Gray, Oscar Wilde wrote that “to reveal art and conceal the artist is art’s aim. The critic is he who can translate into another manner or a new material his impression of beautiful things.” Jones, no doubt drawing on his critical sensibility, successfully conveys the complexities of making art, regardless of age, and shares them beautifully in Late Fame.
David Stewart currently teaches at Emerson College, Plymouth State University, and Southern New Hampshire University. His first book, 2025’s There’s No Going Back: The Life and Work of Jonathan Demme, was published by the University of Kentucky Press.
Entertainment
After years in comedy, Deon Cole still likes who he sees in the mirror
Deon Cole will tell anyone plainly: Not every comic wants to talk about their audience members.
The longtime stand-up comedian will do some crowd work if he must. But he would much rather tell you the jokes he wrote. It’s the nature of a changing audience that is now more likely to stumble upon comedians they haven’t seen before through short social media clips, rather than an impromptu night at a comedy club.
“[The audience] feel like, ‘Hey, we came to improv, we came to have fun’ and it’s like, no, you know how long it took me to write these jokes?” Cole said with a laugh. “I don’t need you coming here screaming at me, and then I spend five minutes talking about you and your mom and your kids, and then I forgot what I was doing, and now the tone of the show is messed up.”
The Chicago-born comedian, actor and writer has long juggled multiple projects. This includes writing for “The Tonight Show With Conan O’Brien” and acting in films such as “The Color Purple” and “The Harder They Fall” as well as television shows like “black-ish.” Cole has also taped multiple comedy specials with Netflix over the years including “Cole Hearted” in 2019, “Charleen’s Boy” in 2022, and “Ok, Mister” in 2024. He has also been excited about the launch of his YouTube show “Funny Knowing You” where he gets to interview fellow comics and celebrities as they talk about their life stories.
But as he considers his legacy and comedic craft, Cole said he is proud he is still himself after all of this time in the industry.
“There’s a lot of people who look in the mirror every morning and go out in the world and become something else, when the thing that’s going to make them rich and successful is in the mirror,” Cole said. “ I think that whoever that person is in the mirror you need to take that person with you and apply that person to everything that you do, and that’s gonna make the difference in your life.”
Now, as part of the Netflix Is a Joke comedy festival, Cole is looking forward to doing a set for Altadena residents to raise money for ongoing relief in the aftermath of the 2025 wildfires that decimated much of the area. The Times spoke with Cole about how he’s thinking about his craft, crowd work and the importance of comedians revealing themselves.
What’s felt different this time in preparation for this particular show compared with your other ones?
This isn’t just a regular comedy show, like at some city, you know, these people really went through something, and they are still devastated by it. And so it’s not just a regular “we’re going to do a show.” We’re trying to raise as much money as possible for this community to help people in need so that’s a big difference. I don’t do that every weekend. It’s a big difference. And then having the people we want to show up and come get down and perform, seeing all of them on the same show, it’s going to be surreal as well.
Cole prioritizes written material and personal storytelling over crowd work, believing audiences should get to know comedians as individuals rather than hearing disconnected jokes.
(Cécile Boko)
How has your preparation changed over the years of you doing stand up compared with when you started?
I’m more confident. You know, back in the day, it might be a 30-60 chance that the joke will work: 30 meaning it will work, 60 that it won’t. And now I’m at a point where I can think of something, and there’s an 85% chance that it will work, there’s a 15% chance that it won’t. So my preparation, as far as thinking of something and then going to execute it, being able to execute it, is another difference. Back in the day I would have to ask for stage time. Now I can think of something and just go to a club and go right up.
What does improving your craft look like at this point in your career?
Just being more confident in my choice of what is funny and what’s not. I can hear something now and go, that’s funny, and then go, do it, and it becomes funny. So it’s just having confidence to do that and not question myself as much. That’s basically the difference, to be honest with you. Other than that, my drive, my thought pattern, everything is still the same. It’s heightened to the point where I’m paying attention more because I have a lot more free time to to pay attention. It gets to a point where you can pay a lot of people to do a lot of stuff for you, and the more time you got free, the more time you got to think about other things. So I try to pay everybody to do everything so I can go create. And so it’s been good to be in that space, to not worry about a lot of stuff and stay creative. When a lot of people that’s been doing it this long can’t and to still be relevant after all this time, and still be funny and still pack out shows… that means a lot to me.
How do you incorporate crowd work into your shows then?
If something happens while I’m doing my stuff, then fine but I’m not going to create a crowd work environment. If it happens, it happens, but I’m not going to purposely create it. And I mean to each his own that do it. And there’s some people who are very funny at it, and there’s some people that’s like, what are you doing? And for a lot of audience members, I feel like they’re being tricked a lot of times, because a lot of comedians, and I ain’t going to say a lot of comedians, but a few. Not every comic that does crowd work does this. There’s some great crowd work comedians that I really love and admire and respect. But there are some comedians that get up there and they’re doing a meet and greet. It’s downstage, “Hey, what’s your name?,” “What do you do for a living?,” “Hey, so how many kids do you got?,” “So, hey, where do you where you work at?,” “Oh, who are you?” Do that at the meet and greet. What are you standing up here for 45 minutes, getting to know everybody for? Where’s your jokes at? If people like it, you know, what can you do about it? But I’m old school with the craft. I like written comedy. I like storytelling. I like hearing something I never heard before. I like that. That’s just my preference. I don’t like sitting in the audience laughing at somebody’s name or what they do for a living, or who they with. My brain ain’t learning that way.
Do you think that sense of audience participation is coming from people watching social media clips?
I mean people love it, and it’s a younger audience that I think they really love it. Even though older people love it, don’t get me wrong. But the majority, I think, it’s a younger audience. And granted, there’s an audience for that. It really is and have at it. I think everybody should go out there, get their money, do what they do. My personal preference, which I am entitled to have, I think that it’s all about balance, like it is with everything in life. I don’t think you should eat candy all day. I think you should eat some vegetables. I don’t think you should eat vegetables all day. I think you should eat some protein. It’s all about balance. You can give me crowd work, but let’s hear about you. Who are you? What happened to you today? That’s what’s funny. How do you feel about this and that? Can I get that? And then you can go back to your crowd work. But if people keep going up to these shows and they like all the crowd work, and that’s it, me personally, I think you’re not getting your money’s worth when you leave there and you don’t even know if the comic was married, [have] kids, if they’re happy, sad. You just leave there going, “did you hear what he said about the girl in the fourth row?” “Oh, that was hilarious.” “Did you see the guy in the back with the toupe on?” “That was funny.” And it’s like, OK, well, who said that? Who’s the guy that said it? What about him? Do we know anything about him? Is he a racist? Is he a revolutionary? Who said this? Let me know who said this. I’m not just going to laugh at that.
Why do you think it’s important for a comic to reveal parts of themselves on stage?
That’s what the greats have done. Greats are that way. They have been that way. You get caught up into who these people are. It’s good to hear that. A lot of great comics got sitcoms. Why? Because you can listen to their jokes and see the show, and then they go create the show off of what they were talking about. You can see this. So when you have a comic, it’s a lot of comics that go on stage and they tell jokes, and then they leave, and then you go, who was that person? You can’t even remember the comic’s name. You know what I mean? I just think that you should let people know who you are, because that’s what makes you unique. Can’t just go up and tell joke after joke after joke. Anybody could tell jokes, [but it’s] who’s telling the joke that makes it great.
Movie Reviews
Movie Review: In ‘Michael,’ the King of Pop is resurrected, sans complications – The Philadelphia Sunday Sun
Jaafar Jackson as Michael Jackson and KeiLyn Durrel Jones as Bill Bray in Michael. Photo Credit: Glen Wilson/Lionsgate
By Jake Coyle
associated press
“Michael” slides a sequin glove over the pop staar’s tarnished legacy, shrouding Michael Jackson’s complications with a conventional biopic that, if you cover your ears, sounds great.
Antoine Fuqua’s movie is sanctioned by Jackson’s estate and its producers include the estate’s executors. So it is, by its nature, a narrow, authorized perspective on Jackson. The film ends before the flood of allegations of sexual abuse of children, or Jackson’s own acknowledgment of sleeping alongside kids. Jackson and his estate have long maintained his innocence. In his only criminal trial, in 2005, Jackson was acquitted.
“Michael” doesn’t even subtly nod to these facts. It moonwalks right past them. The result is a kind of fantasy film, one that relives the extraordinary highs of Michael Jackson while turning a blind eye to the lows.
There’s something understandably hard to resist about that. Who wouldn’t love to forget all the bad that comes with Michael Jackson? “Billie Jean,” alone, is good enough to give you amnesia. We’re talking about one of the greatest song-and-dance entertainers of the 20th century. The connection he forged with millions shouldn’t be taken for granted. And it can feel downright giddy to once again bask in Jackson’s former glory — or, at least, an uncanny approximation of it by Jaafar Jackson, his nephew. But that also makes “Michael” as much a fairy tale as Peter Pan’s Neverland.
“Michael” originally included scenes dealing with the sexual abuse allegations, but those were cut due to stipulations in an earlier settlement. The finished film, scripted by John Logan (“Gladiator,” “Aviator”), is largely structured as a father-son drama. In the film’s early Gary, Indiana-set scenes, Joe Jackson (a typically compelling Colman Domingo) forcefully drills his children into becoming the Jackson 5 and whips young Michael (an excellent Juliano Krue Valdi) with his belt.
While “Michael” spans the Jackson 5 and “Off the Wall” and “Thriller,” its through line is Michael’s struggle for emancipation from his overbearing father and manager. In that way, it’s quite similar to 2022’s “Elvis,” which likewise turned on the dynamic between Presley and the controlling Colonel Tom Parker.
Similarly, the broad-strokes, play-the-hits biopic approach is very much at work in “Michael,” produced by Graham King (“Bohemian Rhapsody”). Fuqua, best known for muscular thrillers like “Training Day” and “The Equalizer,” is maybe an unlikely pick for the task. But he cleverly stages some scenes, like when young Michael first lays down a track in a recording studio. While his father looms outside and producers tell Michael not to shuffle his feet so much, Fuqua moves inside the booth. We hear nothing but Michael’s voice. The noise stops and there’s just his pure, not-yet-corrupted vocal power, singing “Who’s Lovin’ You.”
What happened to Jackson as he became an adult, many would consider both an astonishing success story and an American tragedy. “Michael” doesn’t try for that balance. It mainly follows the emergence of an icon, albeit a peculiar one who takes shelter in a room full of children’s toys and whose need to be “perfect” drives him to cosmetic surgery in his early 20s. These and other developments (like the arrival of Bubbles the chimp) are mostly met with eye rolls by family members: the idiosyncrasies of a man-child genius.

At nearly every turn, you can feel the narrative being twisted, sometimes by those still alive. (Joe Jackson died in 2018, nine years after his son’s death at 50.) Katherine Jackson (Nia Long), Michael’s mother, is downright saintly. John Branca (Miles Teller), co-executor of Jackson’s estate and a producer of the film, is seen as a heroic ally to Michael.
Branca, perhaps, deserves the victory lap. Such a big-screen revival for Jackson was once unthinkable. But “Michael” is the latest in a string of successes for the former King of Pop, including Cirque du Soleil shows and “MJ the Musical” on Broadway — all despite the evidence presented by the 2019 documentary “Leaving Neverland.” “Michael” isn’t really a rebuttal to that film. It’s pure pop shock-and-awe. And turning up the volume on “Beat It” will win you some arguments.
What’s on screen is constantly running, in our minds, alongside what isn’t. Even the glossiest of biopics allow some negative characteristics to show, but Fuqua’s film sticks almost entirely to Michael, the myth. He visits kids in hospitals, makes Black history on MTV, writes the “Thriller” album in near solitude. (Kendrick Sampson plays a seldom-seen Quincy Jones.)
As played by Jaafar Jackson, Michael is a wide-eyed innocent who bore the scars of abuse and yet nevertheless maintained a childlike belief in music: king and casualty of pop, at once. If there’s one thing that needs no embellishment here, it’s the fervor of audiences for Jackson at his astonishing peak. Fuqua lingers on the fans losing their minds for Michael, but that ardor was real. Jaafar Jackson’s performance is a remarkable, charming facsimile not just for the dance moves and singing voice but, more crucially, for channeling Jackson’s sweetness.
“Michael” concludes on an oddly and — considering where things would ultimately go for Jackson — completely false note of triumph. But when the movie sticks to the music, as it often does in copious concert performances, it’s hard not to be moved. There is an undeniable thrill in being transported back to a more innocent America awakening to the power of pop spectacle, when arenas sang in unison to “Man in the Mirror” and “Human Nature.” The nostalgia of “Michael” is for more than Michael Jackson. But blindly believing only in that celebrity, in that fantasy, is repeating a sad history all over again.
“Michael,” a Lionsgate release in theaters Thursday, is rated PG-13 by the Motion Picture Association for some thematic material, language, and smoking. Running time: 127 minutes. One and a half stars out of four.
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