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As a 'Seasoned Professional,' Jenny Slate now finds strength in her sensitivity

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Jenny Slate’s latest stand-up special is Seasoned Professional.

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Comic Jenny Slate says her life is a non-stop “emotional multimedia experience. “That also describes her new comedy special, Seasoned Professional, in which she opens up about childbirth, therapy and dating her now-husband.

Slate got her start doing improv as a college student at Columbia University, and began performing stand-up in her early 20s. A self-described “very sensitive” person, she shares that vulnerability onstage — including her tendency to pick up on the “micro bad mood” of whoever she’s talking to.

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Slate says the birth of her daughter in 2021 changed her in some ways. “My cheaper vanities have kind of fried off in the exhaustion,” she explains.

But, she adds, “I still have the same personality that I’ve always had. … There’s very little that happens in my head that’s not going directly into my husband’s face.”

Slate co-wrote and starred in the Oscar-nominated animated film Marcel the Shell with Shoes On, which was adapted from the web series that she co-created with her ex-husband Dean Fleischer Camp. She’s also done voice work for other animated films and TV shows, including Bob’s Burgers, Big Mouthand Zootopia.

Interview highlights

On talking about her feelings in her comedy

If you asked me to tell you what it is [I’m experiencing] right now, it would look the way it looks when I’m doing stand up. There would be screaming. There would be a doorway into my imagination where I’m imagining what would have even had to happen in the other person’s head in order for them to interact with me in this way. And that is my experience. …

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I’m not one of these people that’s going through her life and being like, “Ooh, that’s material! … I’m going to do something interesting, so maybe it will be material.” I’m just going through and living my normal life, but I don’t feel that I have to do anything to turn it into comedy. But of course I’ll work on the bits.

On consciously channeling her sensitivity toward empathy and other people instead of self-reflection

I think that when I started doing stand-up in my early, mid-20s, like maybe 23, 24, I realized a lot of what I want to talk about is how I feel. I started to be more aware of it and I also started going to therapy. I think I felt ashamed of how much it was so self-focused. Like, what does this person think about me? I just felt like, why am I like this? This is such a gross way to be. …

In getting on stage and telling the story and needing it to be dynamic and other characters have to exist besides you. … With other people now it’s become more of like, “How do I turn this into empathy?” Like if I am interested in this person, if I see myself starting to focus on them, make it about them, ask questions, don’t make weird assumptions, and show them inside of myself and suffer by that.

On the bats in her childhood home

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[My parents] got in a fight with a contractor who was working on our house, and there was a hole in our roof because he was like, “Forget it!” And he left. We had just so many bats in our house because we had, like, an open roof for a while. It still makes me laugh. …

My dad, he would come out in the middle of the night in his nighttime apparel, which at the time was a very, very long night shirt. He worked at the time at the computer company called Wang … and he had this shirt that said “Wang” on it. And he would run down the hallway with an old tennis racket and swat the bats against the hallway. We had, like, bat blood on our wallpaper. I remember just being like, “He got one!” Just such a bummer. Just such an intense way to live and be. I thought it was really funny. I talked about it on stage for so long because I was fascinated by it. Like, wow, I thought this was normal for so long that I didn’t even think about it. And now I realized that this was actually very specific.

On growing up in a house her family believed was haunted

My dad had discovered a packet of love letters that were written to one of the previous owners of the house, but they weren’t from her husband. They were from a captain of a ship. And when my parents first moved in, my mom woke up smelling pipe smoke. My dad smoked a pipe at the time, and she called out to him to come to bed and then rolled over and realized that he was asleep. And so she woke him up and she was like, “You left your pipe burning, you’re going to burn down the house!” And so he went out into the hallway and saw on the stairs — he says he sort of saw it, but didn’t see it — a man in a heavy mariner’s [or] seaman’s jacket walking up the stairs.

And there was a bunch of other stuff that happened. I’m the only one that never saw anything, actually, which in itself is scary to me because I feel like there’s like a backlog, it’s all going to come at once. … I think we were all a bit proud of it, too. It’s mystical. … It was kind of like a treasure, but a terrible one to have.

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On working through her shame about her divorce from Dean Fleischer Camp

I think it’s probably just a very, very basic embarrassment of being like … This [marriage] is the decision! Never going back. Absolutely sure. And then having it fall apart rather quickly, like we weren’t married for very long at all. …

When I look back on it now, I’m like, it’s weird that I was embarrassed, but, I guess I don’t like to fail, although I have failed many times. I think it was hard to look at the things that were actually really sad and really scary.

On talking to her 3-year-old daughter in the voice of Marcel the Shell with Shoes On

I talk in Marcel’s voice, sometimes without realizing it. … The first time she heard it, [she was like] “What is that?” She thinks he lives inside of me, but that’s not disturbing to her. She also knows what he looks like, but she never asked to see him. She just wants to talk to him. Marcel gets more info from her. So actually, as Marcel, I just ask her questions. Like, “Why didn’t you like that sandwich? What was wrong with it? What happened at school today?” Like, she’ll give Marcel a bigger answer. Which is really nice. And then she likes singing with Marcel.

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Heidi Saman and Thea Chaloner produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Beth Novey adapted it for the web.

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Mundane, magic, maybe both — a new book explores ‘The Writer’s Room’

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There’s a three-story house in Baltimore that looks a bit imposing. You walk up the stone steps before even getting up to the porch, and then you enter the door and you’re greeted with a glass case of literary awards. It’s The Clifton House, formerly home of Lucille Clifton.

The National Book Award-winning poet lived there with her husband, Fred, starting in 1967 until the bank foreclosed on the house in 1980. Clifton’s daughter, Sidney Clifton, has since revived the house and turned it into a cultural hub, hosting artists, readings, workshops and more. But even during a February visit, in the mid-afternoon with no organized events on, the house feels full.

The corner of Lucille Clifton's bedroom, where she would wake up and write in the mornings

The corner of Lucille Clifton’s bedroom, where she would wake up and write in the mornings

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“There’s a presence here,” Clifton House Executive Director Joël Díaz told me. “There’s a presence here that sits at attention.”

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Sometimes, rooms where famous writers worked can be places of ineffable magic. Other times, they can just be rooms.

The Writer’s Room: The Hidden Worlds That Shape the Books We Love

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Katie da Cunha Lewin is the author of the new book, The Writer’s Room: The Hidden Worlds That Shape the Books We Love, which explores the appeal of these rooms. Lewin is a big Virginia Woolf fan, and the very first place Lewin visited working on the book was Monk’s House — Woolf’s summer home in Sussex, England. On the way there, there were dreams of seeing Woolf’s desk, of retracing Woolf’s steps and imagining what her creative process would feel like. It turned out to be a bit of a disappointment for Lewin — everything interesting was behind glass, she said. Still, in the book Lewin writes about how she took a picture of the room and saved it on her phone, going back to check it and re-check it, “in the hope it would allow me some of its magic.”

Let’s be real, writing is a little boring. Unlike a band on fire in the recording studio, or a painter possessed in their studio, the visual image of a writer sitting at a desk click-clacking away at a keyboard or scribbling on a piece of paper isn’t particularly exciting. And yet, the myth of the writer’s room continues to enrapture us. You can head to Massachusetts to see where Louisa May Alcott wrote Little Women. Or go down to Florida to visit the home of Zora Neale Hurston. Or book a stay at the Scott & Zelda Fitzgerald Museum in Alabama, where the famous couple lived for a time. But what, exactly, is the draw?

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Lewin said in an interview that whenever she was at a book event or an author reading, an audience question about the writer’s writing space came up. And yes, some of this is basic fan-driven curiosity. But also “it started to occur to me that it was a central mystery about writing, as if writing is a magic thing that just happens rather than actually labor,” she said.

In a lot of ways, the book is a debunking of the myths we’re presented about writers in their rooms. She writes about the types of writers who couldn’t lock themselves in an office for hours on end, and instead had to find moments in-between to work on their art. She covers the writers who make a big show of their rooms, as a way to seem more writerly. She writes about writers who have had their homes and rooms preserved, versus the ones whose rooms have been lost to time and new real estate developments. The central argument of the book is that there is no magic formula to writing — that there is no daily to-do list to follow, no just-right office chair to buy in order to become a writer. You just have to write.

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In 1982, Jean Muenchrath was injured in a mountaineering accident and on the brink of death when a stranger and his family went out of their way to save her life.

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In early May 1982, Jean Muenchrath and her boyfriend set out on a mountaineering trip in the Sierra Nevada, a mountain range in California. They had done many backcountry trips in the area before, so the terrain was somewhat familiar to both of them. But after they reached one of the summits, a violent storm swept in. It began to snow heavily, and soon the pair was engulfed in a blizzard, with thunder and lightning reverberating around them.

“Getting struck and killed by lightning was a real possibility since we were the highest thing around for miles and lightning was striking all around us,” Muenchrath said.

To reach safer ground, they decided to abandon their plan of taking a trail back. Instead, using their ice axes, they climbed down the face of the mountain through steep and icy snow chutes.

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They were both skilled at this type of descent, but at one particularly difficult part of the route, Muenchrath slipped and tumbled over 100 feet down the rocky mountain face. She barely survived the fall and suffered life-threatening injuries.

This was before cellular or satellite phones, so calling for help wasn’t an option. The couple was forced to hike through deep snow back to the trailhead. Once they arrived, Muenchrath collapsed in the parking lot. It had been five days since she’d fallen.

 ”My clothes were bloody. I had multiple fractures in my spine and pelvis, a head injury and gangrene from a deep wound,” Muenchrath said.

Not long after they reached the trailhead parking lot, a car pulled in. A man was driving, with his wife in the passenger seat and their baby in the back. As soon as the man saw Muenchrath’s condition, he ran over to help.

 ”He gently stroked my head, and he held my face [and] reassured me by saying something like, ‘You’re going to be OK now. I’ll be right back to get you,’” Muenchrath remembered.

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For the first time in days, her panic began to lift.

“My unsung hero gave me hope that I’d reach a hospital and I’d survive. He took away my fears.”

Within a few minutes, the man had unpacked his car. His wife agreed to stay back in the parking lot with their baby in order to make room for Muenchrath, her boyfriend and their backpacks.

The man drove them to a nearby town so that the couple could get medical treatment.

“I remember looking into the eyes of my unsung hero as he carried me into the emergency room in Lone Pine, California. I was so weak, I couldn’t find the words to express the gratitude I felt in my heart.”

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The gratitude she felt that day only grew. Now, nearly 45 years later, she still thinks about the man and his family.

 ”He gave me the gift of allowing me to live my life and my dreams,” Muenchrath said.

At some point along the way, the man gave Muenchrath his contact information. But in the chaos of the day, she lost it and has never been able to find him.

 ”If I knew where my unsung hero was today, I would fly across the country to meet him again. I’d hug him, buy him a meal and tell him how much he continues to mean to me by saving my life. Wherever you are, I say thank you from the depths of my being.”

My Unsung Hero is also a podcast — new episodes are released every Tuesday. To share the story of your unsung hero with the Hidden Brain team, record a voice memo on your phone and send it to myunsunghero@hiddenbrain.org.

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