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Commentary: Mehdi Hasan reflects on Zeteo one year after launch: 'We're in a very good place'

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Commentary: Mehdi Hasan reflects on Zeteo one year after launch: 'We're in a very good place'

Journalism isn’t what it used to be, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Especially if you’re Mehdi Hasan.

Hasan, 45, is no stranger to the rising dissatisfaction around the state of the news media and the confusion over how we consume our news. He rose through the ranks of broadcast giants, including the BBC, Al Jazeera and MSNBC, and has written on subjects ranging from Trump’s tariffs to Gaza for outlets such as the Guardian and the Huffington Post.

But no matter where he’s been on camera or published, the British-born son of Indian immigrants asked the kind of tough questions that gained him a reputation as a fierce debater and unflinching proponent of high-impact, often adversarial journalism.

“When we talk about media organizations, it’s often asked, ‘Are they left or are they right?’” Hasan says. “But I don’t think that dynamic is helpful. For me, it’s more like do they keep their heads down or do they keep their heads up?”

Hasan’s unwillingness to soften the edges around hot-button topics could be the reason he’s worked for more outlets than most public-facing folks in the media. His departure from MSNBC in January 2024, for example, came after his shows were canceled by the network for “business reasons.” They offered to keep him on as a contributor, but he declined.

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Instead, he started his own independent platform, the Washington, D.C.-based Zeteo. Now, on the one-year anniversary of his enterprise, Hasan talks about what it took to create an outlet somewhere between mainstream news and “burn it all down” media.

This conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

“When we talk about media organizations, it’s often asked, ‘Are they left or are they right?’” Mehdi Hasan says. “But I don’t think that dynamic is helpful.”

(Tom Keeter Photography)

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What did it take to get Zeteo up and running?

Me and the four people who set it up. And it was Ramadan. And I was fasting. I will say I never want to do a startup company again with four people during Ramadan [laughs]. We’re still a small, nimble operation, but it’s not insane as four people trying to do everything. We have a political correspondent, Prem Thakker, who broke the campus deportation story. We brought on Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, members of Congress, to do a YouTube show for us called “Bowman and Bush.” [Former Washington Post columnist] Taylor Lorenz has just become a contributor for us. We have Daniel Levy, the former Israeli peace negotiator. And we’re going to be announcing more in the coming days as we approach the anniversary. So we’re growing on that front.

The name Zeteo comes from the ancient Greek word for “seeking out” or “striving.” Why not just call your startup the Mehdi Hasan Network?

It was never going to be the Mehdi Hasan network. Obviously, I’m the face of it. I’m the founder. I do the flagship shows. But it was always about being more than me. That is the goal. If I achieve nothing else, I’ve provided a platform for really interesting people to say the unsayable, whether it’s [Egyptian political satirist] Bassem Youssef on the podcast; John Harwood [formerly of CNN], who writes amazing political pieces for us; Pakistani novelist Fatima Bhutto; Amy Klein; Owen Jones; or Greta Thunberg. They are saying things as contributors you won’t see elsewhere.

You moved to the U.S. in 2015, where you hosted a weekly show on Al Jazeera English. But just five years later, you landed your own show, “The Mehdi Hasan Show,” on Peacock. And soon after that, you were slotted into MSNBC’s lineup. That’s a rapid trajectory.

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When I moved here, people said to me, “Oh, you’re going to end up at CNN, MSNBC because you do great interviews.” I was like, “No one’s ever going to hire me. I’m a brown, Muslim, lefty immigrant. I’m happy at Al Jazeera.” Mainstream was never going to be for me, yet Phil Griffin and MSNBC took a chance on me in 2020 and hired me to do a show. I didn’t think I’d last longer than six months, but I lasted for 3½ years.

As the country has become more polarized, there’s been criticism that journalism is now more about activism than news gathering. What’s your take?

You don’t have to define activism as changing things and journalism as not changing things. The biggest changes in our society have come from journalism. Investigative journalism, at its very best, changes things. It holds people accountable. It forces people to change structures, reform institutions. So I think the best journalism is impact journalism that drives change. Otherwise, what is the point? Horse-race journalism — who’s up, who’s down, who’s doing well in the polls — that’s never been my interest. I do it occasionally because it has its role, but that’s never been what drives me. I don’t think it should be what drives our industry, either. I want to make a change. That’s why I do what I do. Otherwise, I’d be an accountant.

Where does Zeteo stand in the crowded field of new media startups?

One thing I was very clear about when I launched Zeteo was that I was going to be walking that tightrope between being anti-establishment and establishment, between mainstream and non-mainstream. A lot of people didn’t like that. What happens to a lot of left-wing media outlets is that they get marginalized or marginalize themselves. They’re seen as fringe. But there’s no point in doing excellent journalism, excellent op-eds or commissioning brilliant documentaries if no one sees them.

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Mehdi Hasan says he “was going to be walking that tightrope between being anti-establishment and establishment” with Zeteo.

(Tom Keeter Photography)

Did you plan on becoming a journalist?

I went to Oxford University. I did PPE [Politics, Philosophy and Economics]. Most of my graduating class went off to be management consultants and investment bankers. I went off to get a 13,000-pound-a-year job, to the great disappointment of my Asian parents. But working in TV seemed important.

As kids of immigrants, our parents came from places where the media was hobbled or where there is no free press. Now you’re in the U.S., and the media is facing unprecedented challenges from the Trump administration.

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It’s a risky time. People keep saying to me, “Trump’s good for business, right? You’re going to get loads of subscribers because he talks crazy stuff and makes politics interesting.” Yeah, in theory, in the sheer generation of news stories, he’s good for business. But in terms of the big picture of a free press — no, he’s not. I worry about the future of my organization in a country that’s going fascist very quickly. I worry about Zeteo as a small startup at a time when big media companies like ABC and CBS and some might argue the L.A. Times — their owners are rolling over for Trump. And you’ve got MAGA folks who are intimidating journalists. For a while I’ve had prominent people in the MAGA movement saying deport and denaturalize Mehdi Hasan, and in the current climate, that’s not the kind of thing you take lightly. Journalists have been intimidated, threatened, harassed.

Now, having said that, we’ve got to put it in context. I’m still in the U.S., still protected by the 1st Amendment. I’m not in Gaza, where over 200 journalists have been killed. It’s the worst conflict for journalists in history. The Civil War, WWI, WWII — none of it comes close. Yes, it’s a risky time for journalists in America, but in context, we’re still 10,000 times in a better place than journalists in Gaza, for example.

This month marks one year since Zeteo’s official launch. How are things going?

I’m a very cautious person. I’ve never run a business before. I don’t have that entrepreneurial streak of risk-taking. When I launched this, I was super cautious about what we could achieve. But, amazingly, the support I got after I left MSNBC and announced Zeteo blew me away. We blasted through all of our early benchmarks, metrics and targets, and by the time we hit the summer, we were well ahead of ourselves. So we’re in a very good place.

Can you name some of the benchmarks?

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A year in, most startups don’t break even. But this year we’ve made a small profit, which we weren’t planning on. We’re at 400,000 subscribers, which is not where I thought we’d be. We’re No. 6 on Substack, behind Bari Weiss, Heather Cox [Richardson] and the Bulwark folks. We have 715,000 followers on YouTube right now and we’re growing by more than 1,000 a day. We’ve got more than 40,000 paying subscribers, which helps pay the bills. And we’ve got over 1,000 founding members who pay $500 a year to support us.

A man in a white shirt and blue pants sitting on a white chair with a microphone near his face.

“A year in, most startups don’t break even. But this year we’ve made a small profit, which we weren’t planning on,” Mehdi Hasan says.

(Tom Keeter Photography)

Is corporate media adequately covering the America we live in today?

My position is not that the corporate media’s dead or that all mainstream media is bad. That would be ridiculous. I’ve worked in these organizations. There are great journalists doing great work there. My position is that mainstream media gets a lot wrong, and there are a lot of gaps that need to be filled, and that is what Zeteo is doing. That doesn’t mean I want to burn it all down. We wouldn’t be able to exist as a small media business if we weren’t able to rely on great investigative scoops from certain people at the Post or Politico or the New York Times. That doesn’t mean I like everything that those outlets do.

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For a time, the journalistic standards in legacy newsrooms made covering MAGA conspiracy theories, lies and genuinely fake news incredibly difficult. It was like using an old dialect to describe a new language.

Even in opinion journalism, calling Trump a racist caused a debate in newsrooms for a decade. More and more people now say the R-word. But for a time, it was “he said something racially tinged, racially divisive, racially loaded.” It’s like, just say racist. It’s fewer letters. Let’s not insult our viewers and our readers. Let’s not disrespect them. Everyone knows what’s going on.

They know “mistruth” is just a softer word for “lie.”

My position is very simple: If you say something false more than once after you’ve been corrected, it’s a lie. That’s Trump 100 times over.

You are known for being unapologetically outspoken, and pinning your debate opponents on divisive issues. You even channeled your superpower into a book, “Win Every Argument.”

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There’s always been that shadowing around me wherever I’ve been. It’s made people uncomfortable in a lot of places. I’m not going to name an outlet, but I will say this, there have been times where an interview I’ve done has gone viral and people are like, “Oh, my God, mic drop! The person’s been destroyed,” to use YouTube language. That’s what people know me for. Then I’ll mention that to a friend or family member, and they will say, but do your bosses even want that? And it’s like, “Oh, I didn’t think of that. Good question.”

Which brings us back to MSNBC…

When MSNBC canceled my shows, I knew that I didn’t want to just go to another network or another paper. I’ve worked for a lot of places in my career: BBC, Sky News, Al Jazeera, NBC. I write a monthly column for the Guardian, but I didn’t want to go work for the Guardian. I’ve already done stuff for the Intercept and the New Statesman. I wanted to do my own thing, so I thought if not now, when? This idea that I needed to speak freely crystallized pretty quickly, especially in the climate we’re in with Gaza, the return of Trump, fascism. As far as ever being employed by anyone else again, I think that ship has sailed.

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How a mural of Altadena became a symbol of resilience for one small store, through fire and flood

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Every time Adriana Molina drives up Lake Avenue to her retro-style women’s clothing shop Sidecca in Altadena, she sees the new outdoor mural she commissioned for the store by muralist and illustrator Annie Bolding. It gives her hope.

“I’m here to stay, and this mural solidified my decision to reopen my business,” said Molina on a recent winter day, sitting next to Bolding inside the boutique. “I grew up in Altadena. The community has motivated me this whole time, and I want them to drive by this mural and smile.”

“ALTADENA.” The word — in big white letters, set against layers of blue — appears toward the top of the mural, on the store’s brick wall facing Lake. Above are the San Gabriel Mountains, painted a deep brown, California poppies and Mariposa Street and Lake Avenue street signs. Below are green grass, a monarch butterfly and Altadena’s Christmas Tree Lane. A bright blue house is on a multicolored striped path in the middle of the mural. Next to it, on a hiking trail, a sign says, “Welcome Home Altadena… With Love, Sidecca.”

For Molina and Bolding, the mural is a personal ode to the Eaton fire-ravaged community — art as a message of optimism and healing.

A car passes by the new Altadena mural on the side of Sidecca apparel shop, which commissioned the piece after fire and floods devastated the community.

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(Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)

When the fire tore through Altadena in January 2025, Sidecca and a few other stores on the north side of Mariposa Street’s bustling Mariposa Junction survived, while the other half-block of businesses burned to the ground. The fire leveled Bolding’s parents’ house off Lake and the home of one of Molina’s close relatives.

Molina staged pop-ups and sold merchandise online during months of remediation, and officially reopened Sidecca’s doors in November as part of Mariposa Junction’s larger comeback. Then the store suffered another blow: flooding and damage during rainstorms in late December. While Molina prepped to temporarily close her store yet again for renovations, Bolding began work on the mural. She started painting on the one-year anniversary of the fire and finished eight days later.

“On the day I started it, it was so cold and windy, and I was scared being up on the ladder,” said Bolding. “But getting to talk to community members while I was painting was very special. People were excited and honking as they drove by. That night, I drove up to the lot where my parents’ place was, and I stood there and all the feelings flooded back.”

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The mural’s origin story is that of two creative women bound by strength and a desire to give back.

Molina, who has worked in the fashion industry for more than 30 years, opened Sidecca’s Altadena spot in 2023, after closing its longtime Pasadena location. Voted Pasadena’s best women’s clothing store five times by Pasadena Weekly, Sidecca sells fun vintage-inspired merchandise and clothes, from ‘50s style dresses to snazzy magnets, tote bags and sunglasses. A big rainbow zips across the top of one of the store’s walls.

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A display in Sidecca in 2023, two years before the Eaton fire devastated Altadena.

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“A few months after Sidecca opened in Altadena, my mom walked in and saw how colorful it was, and said, ‘This reminds me of my daughter,’ ” Bolding said. “With zero hesitation, my mom said to Adriana, ‘Here’s her Instagram. This is my daughter’s stuff.’ ”

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Bolding, who goes by Disco Day Designs, calls herself “a joyful creator who loves to intentionally transform spaces.” Known for the bright murals she creates for brands and shops, Bolding gained attention on social media for a trash bin she painted with palm trees and stripes. She brought it to the 2024 Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival as part of a contest organized by the festival’s sustainability partner, Global Inheritance.

“I fixated on the trash can,” said Molina. “I looked at Annie’s murals and was like, ‘Oh, she has to do something in here for us.’ ”

“Game recognizes game,” added Bolding, smiling.

Molina wanted to rebrand Sidecca with a new logo, bags and art, and connected with Bolding about that and a possible mural inside the store. “I wanted ‘Sidecca’ painted across a wall as an acronym that stands for style, individuality, diversity, expression, community, culture and art,” she said. “That’s who we are.”

Then came Jan. 7, 2025.

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The store was closed all day for a holiday lunch. Then the winds picked up and the flames roared. Molina, who lives with her husband and two children on the Altadena-Pasadena, evacuated with her family to Long Beach and came back days later. She knew the store was OK because she’d seen it — intact — on the news.

“As soon as we could come up to the shop, we went,” Molina said. “There were ashes all over.”

Bolding and her husband were in Palm Springs fixing up an AirBnb they cohost when Bolding got a call from her mom about the fire in Altadena. She urged her mom, dad and younger brother to evacuate. After they did, their home burned down. Her parents now live in a Pasadena apartment.

When Molina started selling Altadena-themed merch on Sidecca’s website, Bolding donated three designs, including one with lively retro daisies. In July, she wrote an email to Molina reviving the idea of a mural, but outside versus inside, as an ode to Altadena.

“It felt like anything I could do to bring joy, let’s go,” said Molina. “And I really wanted a little house in there, and for it to say, ‘Welcome home.’ ”

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The mural would be Bolding’s first public piece of art on a main street.

“Lake always felt like the road going home,” she said. “That rainbow road in the mural, leading to the mountains, is so symbolic. Very ‘Wizard of Oz.’ The mountains, their silhouette, have always felt majestic, safe, and why it was so heartbreaking anytime to see them burn. To me, they feel like mother.”

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Muralist Annie Bolding stands in front of her new Altadena mural on the side of the Sidecca apparel shop. The work is Bolding’s first piece of public art on a main street.

(Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)

Bolding’s joyful daisies decorated the Sidecca tote bag given to customers at November’s reopening, just before December’s intense rainstorms. Water gushed through Sidecca’s ceiling. Molina and her employee Manisa Ianakiev were overwhelmed.

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“We were like, ‘Is this really happening?’ ” said Molina. “Then people started bringing tools and towels. It was an example of community.”

Bolding planned to start painting the mural Jan. 4, during the Altadena Forever Run, but rain swept through. After Molina’s landlord installed a plywood base, Bolding started on the mural several days later.

Since then, the shop’s ceiling has been replaced, and Molina is working on trying to replace the floor — while continuing to stage pop-ups and sell merchandise online — before fully reopening the bricks-and-mortar boutique this spring.

“People say, ‘Every time I go into your store, I just get happy. I’m in a better mood,’ ” said Molina. “I get that all the time. And what Annie has done, this mural, is beautiful. It makes me happy.”

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‘Hoppers’ review: Who can argue with hilarious talking animals?

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Just when you think Pixar’s petting-zoo cute new movie “Hoppers” is flagrantly ripping off James Cameron, the characters come clean.


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HOPPERS

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Running time: 105 minutes. Rated PG (action/peril, some scary images and mild language). In theaters March 6.

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“You guys, this is like ‘Avatar’!,” squeals 19-year-old Mabel (Piper Curda), the studio’s rare college-age heroine. 

Shoots back her nutty professor, Dr. Fairfax (Kathy Kajimy): “This is nothing like ‘Avatar!’”

Sorry, Doc, it definitely is. And that’s fine. Placing the smart sci-fi story atop an animated family film feels right for Pixar, which has long fused the technological, the fantastical and the natural into a warm signature blend. Also, come on, “Avatar” is “Dances With Wolves” via “E.T.”

What separates “Hoppers” from the pack of recent Pix flix, which have been wholesome as a church bake sale, is its comic irreverence. 

Director Daniel Chong’s original movie is terribly funny, and often in an unfamiliar, warped way for the cerebral and mushy studio. For example, I’ve never witnessed so many speaking characters be killed off in a Pixar movie — and laughed heartily at their offings to boot.

What’s the parallel to Pandora? Mabel, a budding environmental activist, has stumbled on a secret laboratory where her kooky teachers can beam their minds into realistic robot animals in order to study them. They call the devices “hoppers.”  

In Pixar’s “Hoppers,” a teen girl discovers a secret device that can turn her into a talking beaver. AP

Bold and fiery Mabel — PETA, but palatable — sees an opportunity. 

The mayor of Beaverton, Jerry (Jon Hamm), plans to destroy her beloved local pond that’s teeming with wildlife to build an expressway. And the only thing stopping the egomaniacal pol — a more upbeat version of President Business from “The Lego Movie” — is the water’s critters, who have all mysteriously disappeared. 

So, Mabel avatars into beaver-bot, and sets off in search of the lost creatures to discover why they’ve left.

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From there, the movie written by Jesse Andrews (“Luca”) toys with “Toy Story.” Here’s what mischief fuzzy mammals, birds, reptiles and insects get up to when humans aren’t snooping around. Dance aerobics, it turns out. 

Mabel (Piper Curda) meets King George (Bobby Moynihan). AP

Per the usual, “Hoppers” goes deep inside their intricate society. The beasts have a formal political system of antagonistic “Game of Thrones”-like royal houses. The most menacing are the Insect Queen (Meryl Streep — I’d call her a chameleon, but she’s playing a bug), a staunch monarch butterfly and her conniving caterpillar kid (Dave Franco). They’re scheming for power. 

Perfectly content with his station is Mabel’s new best furry friend King George (Bobby Moynihan), a gullible beaver who ascended to the throne unexpectedly. He happily enforces “pond rules,” such as, “When you gotta eat, eat.”   

That means predators have free rein to nosh on prey, and everybody’s cool with it. Because of bone-dry deliveries, like exhausted office drones, the four-legged cast members are hilarious as they go about their Animal Planet activities. 

Mayor Jerry (Jon Hamm) plans to destroy a local pond to build an expressway. AP

No surprise — talking lizards, sharks, bears, geese and frogs are the real stars here. They far outshine Mabel, even when she dons beaver attire. Much like a 19-year-old in a job interview, she doesn’t leave much of an impression. 

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Yes, the teen has a heartfelt motivation: The embattled pond was her late grandma’s favorite place. Mabel promised her that she’d protect it. 

But in personality she doesn’t rank as one of Pixar’s most engaging leads, perhaps because she’s past voting age. Mabel is nestled in a nebulous phase between teenage rebellion and adulthood that’s pretty blasé, even if a touch of tension comes from her hiding her Homo sapien identity from her new diminutive pals. When animated, kids make better adventurers, plain and simple.

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“Hoppers” continues Pixar’s run of humble, charming originals (“Luca,” “Elio”) in between billion-dollar-grossing, idea-starved sequels (“Inside Out 2,” probably “Toy Story 5”). The Disney-owned studio’s days of irrepressible innovation and unmatched imagination are well behind it. No one’s awed by anything anymore. “Coco,” almost 10 years ago, was their last new property to wow on the scale of peak Pixar.

Look, the new movie is likable and has a brain, heart and ample laughs. That’s more than I can say for most family fare. “A Minecraft Movie” made me wanna hop right out of the theater.

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Ulysses Jenkins, Los Angeles artist and pioneer of Black experimental video, dies at 79

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Ulysses Jenkins, the pioneering Los Angeles-born video artist whose avant-garde compositions embodied Black experimentalism, has died. He was 79.

Jenkins’ death was confirmed by his alma mater Otis College, where he studied under renowned painter and printmaker Charles White in the late 1970s and returned as an instructor years later. The Los Angeles art and design school shared a statement from the Charles White Archive, which said, “Jenkins had a profound impact on contemporary art and media practices.”

“A trailblazing figure in Black experimental video, he was widely recognized for works that used image, sound, and cultural iconography to examine representation, race, gender, ritual, history, and power,” the statement said.

A self-proclaimed “griot,” Jenkins throughout his decades-spanning career maintained an art practice grounded in the tradition of those West African oral historians who came before him. Through archival documentaries like “The Nomadics” and surrealist murals like “1848: Bandaide,” he leveraged alternative media to challenge Eurocentric representations of Black Americans in popular culture.

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He was both an artist and a storyteller who sought to “reassert the history and the culture,” he told The Times in 2022. That year, the Hammer Museum presented Jenkins’ first major retrospective, “Ulysses Jenkins: Without Your Interpretation.”

“Early video art was about the problems with the media that we are still having today: the notions of truth,” Jenkins said. “To that extent, early video art was a construct that was anti-media … a critical analysis of the media that we were viewing every night.”

Born in 1946 to Los Angeles transplants from the South, Jenkins was ambivalent about the city, which offered his parents some refuge from the blatant systemic racism they encountered in their hometowns, but housed an entertainment industry that had long perpetuated anti-Black sentiment.

“What Hollywood represents, especially in my work, is the classic plantation mentality,” Jenkins told The Times in 1986. “Although people aren’t necessarily enslaved by it, people enslave themselves to it because they’re told how fantastic it is to help manifest these illusions for a corporate sponsor.”

Jenkins, who participated in a group of artists committed to spontaneous action called Studio Z, was naturally drawn to video art over Hollywood filmmaking. “I can address any issue and I don’t have to wait for [the studios’] big OK. I thought this was a land of freedom, and video allows me that freedom and opportunity that I can create for myself and at least feel that part of being an American,” he said.

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Jenkins went on to deconstruct Hollywood’s vision of the Black diaspora in experimental video compositions including “Mass of Images,” which incorporates clips from D.W. Griffith’s notoriously racist “The Birth of a Nation,” and “Two-Tone Transfer,” which depicts, in Jenkins’ words, a “dreamscape in which the dreamer awakens to a visitation of three minstrels who tell the story of the development of African American stereotypes in the American entertainment industry.”

Jenkins’ legacy is not only artistic but institutional, with the luminary having held teaching appointments at UCSD and UCI, where he co-founded the digital filmmaking minor with fellow Southern California-based artists Bruce Yonemoto and Bryan Jackson.

As artist and educator Suzanne Lacy penned in her social media tribute to Jenkins, which showed him speaking to students at REDCAT in L.A., “he has been an important part of our histories here in Southern California as video and performance artists evolved their practices.”

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