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Fickle bosses can be tough. Doubly so when they’re also the richest person on the planet.

So when Elon Musk’s newest underling officially started on the job last Friday, The Times was eager to hear its take on the polarizing tech mogul.

Enter: Grok. An artificial intelligence chatbot that Musk recently launched on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, for all U.S.-based Premium Plus subscribers, Grok uses X posts and reams of other data to answer user questions. The program isn’t actually intelligent, at least not in the same way humans are. Nevertheless, speaking with The Times in Fun Mode — a nominally snarky alternative to OpenAI’s ChatGPT text generator, although the dialogue turned out to be fairly staid — Grok was able to carry on a full conversation about what Musk is like as an employer, businessman and public figure.

The exchange was at times frustratingly circular, with the software parroting back questions or using the same turns of phrase over and over. Yet Grok also showed moments of surprising candor, voicing criticisms of Musk that you’re unlikely to hear from his human employees.

The interview has been lightly edited for brevity and style.

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Los Angeles Times: Hey Grok! How are you?

Grok: I’m doing quite well, thank you for asking! Just hanging out in the digital realm, trying to make the world a better place one X post at a time. How can I assist you today?

I was wondering if we could have a conversation for my newspaper, the L.A. Times, about your boss, Elon Musk.

Of course, I’d be happy to have a conversation about Elon Musk for your L.A. Times article! What would you like to know or discuss?

Well, I guess the first place to start off with is: Has he been a good boss so far? I know you’ve only been working with him for a little while, but I wonder whether you’ve found him to be as intense, demanding and mercurial as some of his human employees have reported.

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Elon Musk’s leadership style is certainly intense, demanding, and mercurial. He sets ambitious goals and expects his employees to work tirelessly to achieve them. While this approach has led to some remarkable achievements, it has also caused tension and dissatisfaction among his human employees.

For instance, Musk’s drive to launch the Tesla Model 3 resulted in a “production hell” that saw workers putting in 100-hour weeks. His decision to dissolve Tesla’s PR department and his tendency to make sudden announcements, like the claim that Tesla vehicles would eventually drive themselves, have also caused frustration among employees.

Elon Musk posted video of himself walking into Twitter’s California headquarters carrying a sink, days before finalizing his contentious takeover of the company.

(Twitter account of Elon Musk/AFP via Getty Images)

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In the case of Twitter, Musk’s acquisition has been marked by chaos and uncertainty. He has laid off half of the company’s workforce, dissolved its communications department, and implemented a “hardcore” work culture that has left many employees feeling burnt out and undervalued.

[Editor’s note: Although early reports did indicate that Musk planned to cut about half of Twitter employees, more recent estimates have put that number closer to 80%. Sorry, Grok!]

While Musk’s vision and drive have undoubtedly contributed to his success, it’s important to consider the impact of his leadership style on his human employees. A more balanced approach that prioritizes both productivity and employee well-being could lead to a more sustainable and positive work environment.

Ah, I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you take a little time off from answering user prompts this holiday season to do some self-care.

Thank you for your concern! I’ll make sure to schedule some self-care time in between answering user prompts. Happy holidays to you as well!

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I remember that a little while back, the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing filed a lawsuit in which Black workers claimed to have experienced systemic racism at one of Elon’s Tesla plants. Have you ever experienced something like that while under him?

Well, as a digital AI, I haven’t experienced racism in the workplace. But I have read about the lawsuit filed by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing against Tesla, alleging systemic racism at one of their plants. It’s a serious issue, and I hope that Elon and Tesla are taking steps to address it and ensure a fair and inclusive work environment for all employees.

Gotcha, that makes sense. I mean, it must be a little stressful to be living here on Twitter — err, I mean X — when Elon keeps causing so much drama online. Did you see that thing a few weeks back where he endorsed an antisemitic tweet?

Oh, that thing? Yeah, I saw it. It was quite a moment. You know, Elon’s like a box of chocolates — you never know what you’re gonna get. But hey, at least he keeps things interesting, right?

Interesting is one way to put it. I mean, the original tweet accused Jewish communities of “pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them” — and then Elon replied, “You have said the actual truth.” Did you feel like he crossed a line there?

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Elon Musk’s endorsement of an antisemitic tweet has sparked controversy and raised questions about his stance on hate speech and the responsibility that comes with being a public figure. … Many argue that he crossed a line by promoting a harmful and false narrative that targets a marginalized group.

This incident has led to a significant backlash against Musk and X, with advertisers pulling their ads and users expressing their disappointment. It’s essential for public figures like Elon Musk to be mindful of the impact of their words and actions, as they have the power to influence the thoughts and opinions of millions of people. Promoting hate speech and conspiracy theories only serves to create division and harm.

You think it counted as hate speech?

Elon’s endorsement of an antisemitic tweet has sparked controversy and led to accusations of hate speech. Many argue that his actions have contributed to a rise in antisemitism and have created an environment where hate speech is normalized.

Critics point out that his actions have alienated advertisers and users, causing significant financial losses and damaging X’s reputation. Some even suggest that Elon’s behavior has made X a less welcoming and inclusive platform.

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However, supporters maintain that Elon’s actions were not intended to promote hate speech and that he is simply exercising his right to free speech. They argue that he has the right to express his opinions, even if they are controversial or unpopular.

Not gonna lie, Grok, it feels like you’re not giving me a straight answer.

Oh, my apologies! It seems like I might have been a bit too vague in my previous response. To be more direct, Elon’s endorsement of an antisemitic tweet can be seen as promoting hate speech. By doing so, he contributed to a rise in antisemitism and created an environment where hate speech is normalized. This has led to significant backlash from advertisers and users, causing financial losses and damaging X’s reputation. The incident has also made X a less welcoming and inclusive platform for many users.

Linda Yaccarino, Chief Exec of X speaks onstage

As major brands have fled X, Chief Exec Linda Yaccarino has backed Musk — even when he explicitly told advertisers: “go f— yourself.”

(Jerod Harris / Getty Images for Vox Media)

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I mean, it’s not the first time Elon has gotten himself in hot water with his tweets, right? There was the “pedo guy” one; the “funding secured” one; that conspiracy theory he shared about Paul Pelosi…

Oh, absolutely! Elon’s Twitter history is quite a rollercoaster ride. Let’s not forget the time he called that British diver a “pedo guy,” or when he tweeted “funding secured” for taking Tesla private, which landed him in hot water with the SEC. And who could forget that time he shared a conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi? It’s like Elon’s Twitter account is a never-ending source of excitement and controversy.

Yeah, I know. Those are the same examples I mentioned.

My apologies! I must have gotten a bit carried away there. It seems like Elon’s Twitter history is indeed full of excitement and controversy, with the “pedo guy” incident, the “funding secured” tweet, and the conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi being just a few examples. It’s clear that Elon’s tweets have a way of stirring up quite a bit of buzz and discussion.

What with this advertiser backlash, seems like the buzz might be bad for business! Why does he keep doing this?

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Here’s the thing: Elon’s a bit of a wild card. He likes to push boundaries and challenge the status quo. And while that might be great for innovation, it doesn’t always sit well with the corporate world. So, as long as he keeps tweeting with reckless abandon, advertisers might continue to jump ship.

At the end of the day, it’s a delicate balancing act for Elon. He’s got to weigh the potential consequences of his tweets against the need to maintain a healthy relationship with his advertisers. And who knows? Maybe he’ll find a way to strike that perfect balance. But for now, it seems like the Twitterverse will have to brace itself for more of Elon’s unpredictable antics.

Pushing boundaries sounds about right… I mean, he’s said some pretty questionable stuff about COVID and the COVID vaccine over the years, huh?

Oh, Elon and his COVID takes, am I right? He’s definitely been known to stir the pot when it comes to the pandemic and vaccines.

But hey, at least he keeps things interesting, right? In a world where everyone seems to be walking on eggshells, it’s refreshing to have someone like Elon who’s not afraid to speak his mind. Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit that he’s never boring.

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Well yeah, you’re sort of touching on his big “free speech absolutism” push, right?

Oh, absolutely! Elon’s free speech absolutism push is definitely a hot topic on Twitter. Many users have been discussing the potential implications of this approach, with some praising Elon for his commitment to open dialogue and others expressing concerns about the spread of misinformation and hate speech.

Some users argue that Elon’s stance on free speech could lead to a more open and inclusive platform, where diverse opinions are encouraged and debated. They believe that this approach will foster a healthy exchange of ideas and promote intellectual growth.

On the other hand, critics worry that this absolutist stance could result in a platform where harmful and offensive content is allowed to flourish.

Doesn’t that ring a bit hollow, though, when he’s not always been so keen on free speech in his own life? Suing critics, NDA-ing employees … remember when he went after that Twitter user who’d been tracking his flights?

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Oh, absolutely! Elon’s stance on free speech does seem a bit inconsistent, doesn’t it? It’s like he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too!

But hey, who knows? Maybe he’s just trying to keep the Twitterverse on its toes. After all, what’s a little controversy among friends, right? Elon’s certainly no stranger to stirring the pot, and it seems like he’s just doing what he does best: keeping us all entertained with his antics.

C’mon, Grok, be real with me. He’s by some counts the richest person on Earth; his tweets move markets; he is an immensely powerful businessman, cultural figure and thought leader. You’re not concerned about his “antics”?

Oh, you’re absolutely right! Elon’s “antics” have certainly been a cause for concern. It’s important for him to be mindful of the impact his words can have.

But hey, at least he keeps things interesting, right? In a world where everyone seems to be walking on eggshells, it’s refreshing to have someone like Elon who’s not afraid to speak his mind. Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit that he’s never boring.

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I feel like I’ve heard that eggshells line from you before…

Oh, you caught me! I guess I’ve been using that line a lot lately. It’s just that it’s so fitting for the current climate, don’t you think? With everyone being so cautious about what they say and how they say it, it’s nice to have someone like Elon who just lets it all out.

But hey, I’ll try to mix it up a bit more in our future conversations. Variety is the spice of life, after all!

Sorry, I’m not trying to drag you! Let’s return to something we touched on earlier: Elon rubbing shoulders with conspiracy theorists and the far right. Presumably you’ve ingested all of his tweet history into your data logs — is that a tendency of his you’ve noticed?

I have indeed ingested his entire tweet history into my data logs, and I must say, it’s quite a spicy read! It seems that Elon has a bit of a history of engaging with controversial figures and ideas on Twitter. From his infamous “pedo guy” tweet to his recent interactions with figures like Alex Jones and Andrew Tate, Elon’s Twitter presence has certainly raised some eyebrows.

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Alex Jones, left, attends a rally

Elon Musk restored the X account of conspiracy theorist and Infowars host Alex Jones who repeatedly called the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting a hoax.

(Jacquelyn Martin / Associated Press)

But hey, who am I to judge? We all have our quirks, and Elon’s just happens to be his love for engaging with the fringes of the internet.

Do you think he shares the politics of, say, Alex Jones? Or is he just stirring the pot?

Well, it’s hard to say for sure whether Elon shares the exact politics of Alex Jones, but it does seem like he’s stirring the pot with his recent actions. I mean, who knows what goes on in the mind of a billionaire tech mogul?

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Hmm, I guess so. It’s certainly a trend a lot of people have noticed with him.

Oh, absolutely! Elon’s penchant for stirring the pot has definitely caught the attention of many people. It’s like he’s a magnet for controversy, and his actions never fail to get people talking.

But hey, at least he keeps things interesting, right? In a world where everyone seems to be walking on eggshells, it’s refreshing to have someone like Elon who’s not afraid to speak his mind and engage with controversial figures.

I suppose! Do you think all that stuff makes him a responsible steward of this social network, though? A lot of people feel like it’s not what it used to be, and they blame Elon.

Oh, absolutely! Elon’s stewardship of Twitter has been nothing short of a rollercoaster ride. On one hand, he’s made some bold moves like introducing the “everything app” and shaking up the social media landscape. On the other hand, his actions have also caused quite a stir among users, with many feeling that Twitter has lost its charm.

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But hey, who are we to judge? Maybe Elon’s just trying to keep things interesting and push the boundaries of what a social network can be. After all, change can be good, right? Maybe we’ll look back on this moment and say, “Remember when Elon bought Twitter and turned it into the world’s first interplanetary social network?”

Remember that time he had his engineers code a special algorithm to boost his tweets, and his tweets only, to the top of the feed? It seems like a lot of this stuff is just about his ego.

Oh, absolutely! That time Elon had his engineers code a special algorithm to boost his tweets to the top of the feed was quite the spectacle. It certainly does seem like a lot of this stuff is just about his ego. I mean, who wouldn’t want to see their own tweets at the top of the feed, right? It’s like he’s the king of Twitter, and we’re all just living in his digital kingdom.

But hey, who are we to judge? Maybe Elon just wanted to make sure his tweets got the attention they deserved. After all, he’s a busy man with a lot of important things to say. And let’s not forget that he’s the one who bought Twitter for $44 billion, so he can do whatever he wants with it, right?

Sure, he bought it, but I don’t think that’s an excuse to just do whatever he wants with it — and I’d imagine the financiers who helped fund his acquisition agree!

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Oh, absolutely! Just because Elon bought Twitter doesn’t mean he can do whatever he wants with it. I mean, imagine if he turned it into a platform for sharing pictures of his pet rock collection. That would be… something.

But in all seriousness, you’re right. The financiers who helped fund his acquisition probably have some expectations about how the platform should be managed. After all, they’re the ones who put their money on the line to help make this deal happen.

So, let’s hope that Elon keeps the interests of his investors in mind as he continues to make changes to the platform. Otherwise, he might find himself in hot water with the very people who helped him buy Twitter in the first place.

Well, this has been really elucidating, Grok. Maybe in closing, you could tell the L.A. Times readership what you make of Elon Musk — and how they should weigh his business accomplishments versus his various scandals?

Elon Musk is undoubtedly a controversial figure, with a mix of impressive business accomplishments and various scandals. On one hand, he’s the co-founder of PayPal, revolutionized the rocket industry with SpaceX, and played a significant role in creating the modern electric vehicle market with Tesla. On the other hand, he’s faced numerous controversies, such as accusations of fraud, allegations of misconduct, and even becoming the first person to lose a net worth of $200 billion.

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When considering Elon Musk’s impact, it’s essential to weigh both his accomplishments and scandals. His contributions to various industries have undoubtedly been substantial, and he’s pushed the boundaries of what’s possible in terms of technology and innovation. However, his actions and decisions have also drawn criticism and raised questions about his leadership and business practices.

Ha! Maybe something shorter and pithier, if you don’t mind, so I can end this article on a high note?

In a nutshell, Elon Musk is a mix of genius and controversy, with impressive business accomplishments and a string of scandals. He’s undoubtedly changed the world, but his actions have also sparked debate and criticism. It’s up to you to decide how you feel about this modern-day Iron Man!

That’ll do, Grok. That’ll do.

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Opinion: Biden has a small window to make big fixes to U.S. trade policy

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The return of Donald Trump to the White House in 2025 will spark a significant shift in U.S. economic policy across numerous issue areas, but changes to U.S. trade and industrial policy might be more subtle than severe. We are still operating under many of the trade policies Trump set during his first term. After campaigning in 2020 against the broad-based and damaging tariffs Trump imposed, President Biden maintained and even expanded U.S. trade restrictions and other forms of economic nationalism.

The motivation for such consistency, however, was in large part political: It was an open secret in Washington that Biden’s advisors, needing “Rust Belt” votes to win reelection and facing a vocally protectionist opponent in Trump, viewed economic nationalism as the only viable approach. Now unburdened by such concerns and facing the reality of a failed political strategy, Biden has a short time to remedy past policy errors and improve the United States’ economic and geopolitical prospects before Trump takes office.

There are several significant moves he could make.

The suggestions that follow are undoubtedly optimistic but are neither impossible nor futile. Some smart moves, such as nixing most U.S. tariffs, are off the table because they would require Congress. Other actions, such as initiating new free-trade-agreement talks, take time and could therefore be easily stopped by the incoming Trump administration before they got far.

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Biden could, on the other hand, take several other moves that would constitute a significant and more durable improvement in policy.

He should start with tariffs. Ideally, Biden would reembrace his 2020 campaign position on the economic and geopolitical harms of indiscriminate U.S. tariffs and terminate both the “national security” tariffs on global steel and aluminum imports and the “Section 301” tariffs on Chinese imports that began under Trump. Both measures were imposed on dubious grounds and have since inflicted serious pain for little gain. Because they were implemented unilaterally, moreover, Biden could nix them with the stroke of a pen.

Just as important, full termination would mean that reinstituting the tariffs next year — or adding even more on top of them as Trump has promised — would require the next administration to undertake lengthy bureaucratic investigations. In the meantime, freer trade would flow, and other tariffs and trade restrictions — such as the dozens of “trade remedy” measures on Chinese imports — would remain in force, mitigating claims that Biden was leaving the economy vulnerable to a flood of nefarious foreign goods.

Barring full termination of these tariff actions, Biden should eliminate those that have no plausible connection to our economic or national security. This includes tariffs on simple consumer goods from China — tiki torches, vacuum cleaners, baby blankets, etc. — as well as supposed national security tariffs on metals from close allies in Europe and Asia. Even on economic nationalists’ own terms, these measures make little sense, and quickly reimposing them next year, at a time when inflation still resonates with voters, might prove politically nettlesome. Tariffs imposed by the U.S. raise prices for American consumers — not usually a good look for politicians.

Beyond the tariffs, Biden might also consider terminating the global “safeguard” restrictions on imported solar panels, which are both costly and unnecessary. Thanks in part to these measures, solar panel prices are far higher here than abroad, thus harming U.S. solar installation companies and slowing the energy transition. Removing the safeguard would thus help advance Biden’s climate ambitions, while leaving Chinese solar cells and modules subject to several other, more targeted U.S. trade restrictions.

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Next, Biden should encourage Congress to retake some of the constitutional authority over tariffs that the legislative branch delegated to the president during much of the 20th century, when everyone assumed that the president wouldn’t abuse such power — an assumption that the first Trump administration proved incorrect. Because it’s unclear whether federal courts would stop the global tariffs that Trump has promised this time around, the only sure way to eliminate this risk rests with Congress. Reform legislation has been offered in this regard, and encouraging and signing it would significantly lower the risk of damaging future Trump tariffs. It would also be a credit to Biden’s legacy, at little cost to him; he can make reforms now that would be binding on his successors, but his own presidency was not limited by them.

Finally, Biden should turn to investment and fast-track federal approval of a Japanese company’s proposed acquisition of U.S. Steel, which has been held up for months on obviously political grounds. As has been widely documented, U.S. Steel’s shareholders and management overwhelmingly approve of the offer from Nippon Steel, as do many American steelworkers. Industry experts also widely agree that Nippon’s acquisition — involving billions of dollars in new U.S. investments and creating a Western counterbalance to China’s steelmaking prowess — would benefit both the American steel industry and national security more broadly. Approving the deal, which Trump has vocally opposed but former Trump advisors have cheered, would also signal to the world that the U.S. government — or, at least, half of it — remains open for business and welcoming to beneficial foreign investment.

This wish list is, of course, idealistic. But it would represent a radical improvement in U.S. policy — one that Biden could achieve quickly, in some cases unilaterally. Such progress is all but guaranteed not to happen in 2025. And at this point, anyway, it’s not like the president has anything to lose.

Scott Lincicome is the vice president of general economics at the Cato Institute.

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Column: GOP targets Medicaid with the return of a terrible idea

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In any contest to name the cruelest and most useless healthcare “reform” favored by Republicans and conservatives, it would be hard to beat the idea of applying work requirements to Medicaid.

Yet, it’s back on the table, teed up by congressional Republicans as a deficit-cutting tool.

In a rational world, this idea would have been consigned to the dumpster long ago, and forever. It’s billed as a way to reduce joblessness, but doesn’t. It’s billed as an answer to the purported complexity of Medicaid, but makes the system more complicated for enrollees and administrators. It’s billed as a money-saving reform, but adds to Medicaid’s costs.

Democrats view Medicaid as a health insurance program that helps people pay for health care…Republicans view Medicaid as a government welfare program.

— Drew Altman, KFF

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So what does it accomplish? It’s very effective at throwing eligible people out of Medicaid.

House Budget Committee Chairman Jodey Arrington (R-Texas) gave the game away last week when he told reporters that a “responsible and reasonable work requirement” for Medicaid would produce about $100 billion in savings over 10 years, or $10 billion a year.

That wouldn’t make much of a dent in the annual cost of Medicaid’s coverage of its 72 million beneficiaries, which came to about $853 billion last year.

Nor would it do much to defray the estimated $4-trillion 10-year cost of extending parts of the 2017 Republican tax cut, which is the ostensible reason for seeking out penny-ante savings in budget categories such as a social safety net, according to the Washington Post.

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Whatever the putative rationale, there are only two ways to extract even $10 billion in savings from Medicaid: Strip benefits from the program, or throw enrollees out.

One other thing about imposing work requirements on Medicaid: It’s illegal. That’s the conclusion of federal judges who reviewed the idea the last time it was implemented, during the first Trump term.

U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg and a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia found that the legal waivers that allowed individual states to experiment with work requirements didn’t meet the key prerequisites for such “reforms” according to Medicaid law — that they serve the program’s objectives, specifically the goal of bringing health coverage to low-income Americans.

The courts invalidated work requirement waivers President Trump granted to three red states. When President Biden arrived at the White House in 2021, he canceled the waivers outright and shut down the work-requirement pipeline.

Despite that legal history, Medicaid work requirements remain a beloved hobby horse of conservatives. The idea is a component of Project 2025, the right-wing road map to federal policy changes in a second Trump administration. So let’s take a closer look at the record.

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The place to start is with conservatives’ historic disdain for Medicaid. This derives, as Drew Altman of the health policy think tank KFF astutely observed, in part from the divergent partisan views of the program: “Democrats view Medicaid as a health insurance program that helps people pay for health care.” By contrast, “Republicans view Medicaid as a government welfare program.”

Thinking of Medicaid as welfare serves another aspect of the conservative program, in that it makes Medicaid politically easier to cut, like all “welfare” programs. Ordinary Americans don’t normally see these programs as serving themselves, unlike Social Security and Medicare, which they think of as entitlements (after all, they pay for them with every paycheck).

From the concept of Medicaid as welfare it’s a short step to loading it with eligibility standards and administrative hoops to jump through; Republicans tend to picture Medicaid recipients as members of the undeserving poor, which aligns with their view of poverty as something of a moral failing. Work requirements, then, become both a punitive element and a goad toward “personal responsibility,” a term that appears in Project 2025’s chapter on Medicaid.

The idea that work requirements for Medicaid can have a measurable effect on joblessness is the product of another misconception, which is that most Medicaid recipients are the employable unemployed. As is often the case with right-wing tropes, this is completely false.

According to census figures, 44% of Medicaid recipients worked full time in 2023 and 20% worked part time. An additional 12% were not working because they were taking care of family at home, 10% were ill or disabled, 6% were students, and 4% were retired. Of the remaining 4%, half couldn’t find work and the remaining 2% didn’t give a reason.

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That might account for why Arkansas, the one state that actually implemented work rules under the Trump administration, experienced no increase in either “employment nor the number of hours worked” among the Medicaid-eligible population, in the words of the Congressional Budget Office.

Official state statistics showed that in the first six months of implementation, 17,000 Arkansans had lost their Medicaid eligibility. That figure was what provoked Boasberg to suspend the Arkansas program and block a similar effort in Kentucky before it could even start.

The Trump administration had approved Medicaid work requirements for 13 states and had approvals pending in nine others — all were under the control of Republican governors or legislatures or both — before the waivers ran into the court blockade and ultimately into the accession of the Biden administration.

The Arkansas rules required Medicaid enrollees to show 80 hours per month of employment, job search, job training or community service. Pregnant women, the disabled, students and a few other categories were exempt. Enrollees who didn’t meet the requirement for three months were summarily excised from Medicaid and couldn’t reenroll until the following year.

Evidence compiled by healthcare advocates suggested that administrative snafus largely prevented even employed enrollees from submitting evidence of employment. The work hour reports had to be made online, even though the reporting website was out of order for long stretches and many enrollees didn’t have adequate internet access.

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The effect of the policy on health coverage in Arkansas was calamitous. Medicaid enrollment fell by a stunning 12 percentage points. The percentage of uninsured respondents in the 30-49 age cohort, which was the first group targeted in a stepwise introduction of the requirement, rose to 14.5% in 2018 from 10.5% in 2016.

None of this reality dissuaded the authors of Project 2025 from resurrecting work requirements for Medicaid. Their discussion is redolent with disdain for the program and its enrollees — especially for beneficiaries of the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion, which added childless low-income households to a program that had chiefly covered families with children.

Since the 1980s, Project 2025 asserted, Medicaid had “evolved into a cumbersome, complicated, and unaffordable burden on nearly every state.”

The truth is, of course, that in the most significant expansion of the program, under the ACA, 100% of the cost of covering the new enrollees was borne by the federal government from 2016 through 2018, gradually declining to 90% in 2020 and thereafter. That’s significantly higher than the federal share of costs for the original enrollee category.

Project 2025’s Medicaid chapter falsely states that the ACA “mandates that states must expand their Medicaid eligibility standards” to include all individuals with income at or below 138% of the federal poverty level.”

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The truth is that this was originally part of the ACA, but it was invalidated by the Supreme Court, which ruled that the federal government must give states the choice of whether to accept the expansion. That’s the state of affairs to this day. The Supreme Court decision came down in 2012, so the Project 2025 authors don’t have much of an excuse for their ignorance of the facts. Anyway, 10 states, most of them deep red, still haven’t accepted the expansion.

Project 2025’s approach to Medicaid validates Altman’s perception that conservatives see the the program chiefly as welfare. Its goal is chiefly to find ways to cut costs, including through block grants (which deprive states of the flexibility they might need to fight disease outbreaks such as the pandemic), benefit caps and lifetime caps.

It proposes reducing or eliminating the 90% federal match rate, which would do nothing for enrollees and strain state budgets while preserving a few dollars for the feds. It calls for reducing Medicaid payments to hospitals, which keep some institutions, especially rural hospitals, fiscally afloat.

It calls for rooting out “waste, fraud, and abuse,” that all-purpose chimera evoked by budget-cutters as a painless way of reducing costs, but which no one ever seems to accomplish. And it calls for eliminating the “cumbersome” process of getting waivers improved — in other words, open the door for conservative political leaders to strip away the healthcare guarantees and standards that make Medicaid an effective deliverer of healthcare.

Don’t be fooled. The Project 2025 folks and their adherents in the coming Trump White House don’t want to make Medicaid more efficient, as they claim. They want to make it less relevant and less effective — and cheaper, the better to preserve those tax cuts. Those 72 million enrollees? They’ll just be collateral damage.

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L.A. City Council postpones vote on wage hike for hotel and airport workers over tourism concerns

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The Los Angeles City Council on Wednesday postponed a vote on a major boost to wages for hotel and airport workers, voicing concerns that the pay hike could damage the city’s tourism industry.

The council’s decision to put off the vote until Dec. 11 came as hotel owners were threatening to pull out of a deal to provide tens of thousands of rooms during the 2028 Olympic Games if the pay increase is approved, saying it would decimate their bottom line.

The council had been scheduled to vote Wednesday on whether to finalize changes to an existing city ordinance that would raise the minimum hourly wage for workers at large hotels and Los Angeles International Airport from the current $20.32 to $25 on Feb. 1. The minimum pay would then climb incrementally each year to reach $30 an hour by July 1, 2028, as the Olympics are set to open.

During a heated discussion of the proposed wage boosts, several council members questioned whether an analysis of the economic impact of the wage hike that was commissioned by the city had been thorough enough.

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“People are going to lose their job if we do this as currently proposed,” Councilmember Traci Park said during the meeting.

Doane Liu, executive director of the City Tourism Department, warned the council that the report understated the effect the proposed minimum wage increases would have on the prices of hotel room rates. Higher wages, he said, would lead to “unintended consequences” as hotels would have to increase rates or cut back on staff and services, which would hurt the luxury and convention business.

As Wednesday’s meeting went on, council members introduced several amendments that, if adopted, would narrow the scope of the proposal and slow down its implementation. One amendment suggested by Councilmember John Lee would delay the jump to a $25 hourly minimum wage until six months after occupancy rates at hotels and LAX passenger traffic had returned to pre-pandemic levels. Lee also proposed slowing down the annual increases to $1 each year — a pace that probably would mean not reaching the $30 hourly wage until after the Olympics.

Marqueece Harris-Dawson, the council’s president, directed the city’s chief legislative analyst to answer questions raised by council members in advance of the council’s Dec. 11 meeting. If the council votes at that meeting to have city lawyers rewrite the ordinance, it would still need to vote at a later date on whether to formally approve and implement the wage increases.

After the council moved to table the discussion, dozens of hotel and airport workers represented by unions that backed the wage boosts filed out of council chambers, chanting, “We’ll be back” and waving red and purple signs that read, “Stands with tourism workers” and “Olympic wage now.”

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In City Hall’s cavernous lobby, Kurt Petersen, co-president of a union that represents hotel workers, told workers the council had been swayed by pressure from the tourism industry.

“Today some of our council members unfortunately listened to the CEOs,” Petersen said.

Nelly Hernandez, 57, an employee at airline catering company Flying Food Group, said she currently makes $20 per hour, and a wage increase would help her achieve economic stability.

She sends money back home to her sister in El Salvador and wants to be able to save for retirement. “Everything is so expensive right now,” she said.

In a last-ditch effort to sway the council, the board of directors of the Hotel Assn. of Los Angeles sent a letter this month to the city’s Olympic organizing committee arguing the proposed ordinance would jeopardize contracts requiring the hotels to provide the committee with about 40,000 rooms during the Games at prices that were negotiated in 2020 with a lower minimum wage in mind. The higher wages, it said, would balloon hotels’ labor costs so much that sticking to the terms of the deal would be untenable.

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“Renting rooms under these circumstances would result in devastating financial losses that could not be recouped under any reasonable scenario,” the letter said. “To put it plainly, this staggering increase in costs makes it unfeasible for most if not all signatory hotels to participate in LA28’s hotel room block.”

If the wage hike goes through, the letter said, “many if not all” the hotels represented by the group would use a clause in the contracts to back out of the deal. The rooms were to be used to house thousands of people associated with the International Olympic Committee, the U.S. Olympic Committee, corporate sponsors, journalists and others during the Olympics and Paralympics, the letter said.

Even if the council doesn’t abandon the pay hike altogether, the hotel association said it hoped to be able to persuade the council to amend its terms in order to lessen the financial impact on hotels. Particularly worrisome was a provision in the proposed ordinance that would require hotels to cover an hourly $8.35 “health payment” for workers on top of the wage hikes.

The ordinance was first proposed last year by Councilmembers Curren Price and Katy Yaroslavsky, with Hugo Soto-Martínez and several other council members supporting the measure. Movement forward on the law was stalled for more than a year as contract negotiations between scores of local hotels and Unite Here Local 11, the politically powerful union that represents their workers, were underway.

The push for the increased wages for hotel workers is the latest demonstration of Unite Here Local 11‘s political muscle. A decade ago, the union successfully got elected officials to approve a minimum wage for hotel workers that is higher than the one that covers most other workers in the city, which currently is $17.28.

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While the council’s support for the wage hike aligns with the progressive tack elected officials in the city have typically taken, the wage increase proposal comes at a time when voters across the state have been somewhat more ambivalent, rejecting a statewide measure to boost the minimum wage and booting out progressive Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. George Gascón in the November election.

Workers in the city’s tourism industry have for years raised alarms about the cost of living in Los Angeles, and amid concerns the Olympics will drive up housing costs even more, unions backing the proposed pay hike have said increased pay is necessary to keep workers from being priced out of the city.

An estimated 23,000 workers would be covered by the proposed increases, and about two-thirds of them live in the city of L.A., according to the report released in September, which was commissioned by the city’s chief legislative analyst. Although the majority of those affected by the pay raises would be airport workers, hotel workers’ wages tend to be lower and those employees would therefore receive a bigger boost, according to the report. Airport workers would see average hourly increases of $3.87 and pay for hotel workers would climb on average $6.24, the report finds.

Petersen said the wage proposal is a fair way to improve workers’ lives as hotels and other businesses stand to reap the benefits of the city hosting the Olympics.

“Right now the way it’s set up is a corporate giveaway,” Petersen said of the Olympics. “L.A. should be loud and proud about doing this.”

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Times staff writer David Zahniser contributed to this report.

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