The University of Hawaii Board of Regents on Wednesday went behind closed doors to interview the finalists applying for UH’s top job, despite calls from the public to keep the process open. A decision on the selection is expected to be announced when the regents board meeting resumes on Thursday.

Board of Regents Chairman Gabe Lee defended the decision to hold the final interviews in private, saying that Hawaii’s Sunshine Law allows such closed door meetings when personnel privacy issues are involved.

Lee noted that both candidates – City University of New York Provost Wendy Hensel and Western Michigan University Provost Julian Vasquez Heilig – have spoken at multiple public forums, where they answered questions from the public.

Critics called the move contrary to Hawaii law and the spirit of transparency.

Among those testifying against the regents’ unanimous decision to go behind closed doors was Ben Creps, a staff attorney with the Public First Law Center, which promotes government transparency. Creps testified that the Hawaii Supreme Court has made clear that public bodies can’t invoke an exemption to the Sunshine Law’s open meetings requirement simply because a personnel matter is being discussed.

“The UH community and general public have a legitimate interest in understanding why a particular candidate for UH President is selected,” Creps testified. “Given the clarity of the law and keen public interest, there is no good reason to hold these important discussions behind closed doors.”

Momi Bachiller, a student activist who also serves as a senator for the Associated Students of the University of Hawaii, said the decision to conduct interviews in private exemplifies a pattern of Native Hawaiian students “having outsiders imposed on us.”

“This decision exhibits a gross disregard for transparency,” she said.

The private interviews come after a flurry of reports about Hensel and her conflict with  Tanya Washington, a Black law professor at Georgia State University, where Hensel was university provost before going to CUNY. A Civil Beat story on the allegations of discrimination and retaliation by Hensel against Washington prompted UH to change its original policy of prohibiting candidates from talking to the media and make the candidates available for media interviews.

Hensel insisted Washington’s complaints had only involved Georgia State’s interim law school dean, Leslie Wolf, and not Hensel. But Washington and her lawyer eventually came forward to say Hensel was lying and that Hensel had in fact been a subject of Washington’s complaints.

Testimony Shows No Consensus On Candidates

Whether all that will have any effect on the regents’ decision isn’t clear. Written testimony showed no clear consensus on either candidate.

Among those opposed to Hensel was UH’s Black Student Association. On Wednesday, it issued a “statement of non-support” for Hensel, citing the news reports about Hensel and expressing support for Washington. 

“We stand with, believe, and support every Black woman in academia who has been forced to silence themselves for the sake of their survival at institutions of higher education,” the association said.

Others, like Poranee Natadecha-Sponsel, said they supported Hensel despite the reported conflict with Washington.

The important thing is for the regents to pick one of these two candidates and not drag out the process, said Rep. Amy Perruso. Both candidates are “accomplished leaders” who “have gone through a thorough vetting process,” Perruso said in written testimony.

“I urge you to conclude this process with a selection of one of these two fine candidates and allow the mechanisms that were put in place to function as intended,” she wrote.

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A Hawaii County Council proposal to bolster the island’s emergency communications network using amateur radio operators was met with some skepticism Tuesday.

The proposal, a resolution developed by Kohala Councilwoman Cindy Evans, would call for a working group of various stakeholders including representatives of the Civil Defense Agency, the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency, the Big Island Amateur Radio Club and others to develop a “county radio plan.”

That plan would establish partnerships between the county and various amateur and professional radio operators that would be able to disseminate vital information to remote areas of the island in case of an emergency.

“Coming out of (Lahaina), … what I realized is that, because of the size of our island, we have a lot of remote areas,” Evans said Tuesday during a meeting of the council’s Committee on Governmental Operations and External Affairs. “And if we lose the ability to have telephone and internet … how does the word get out? Ham radio operators definitely have potential to be there where they’re needed.”

But other council members were unconvinced, particularly after Civil Defense Administrator Talmadge Magno testified about the resolution at Tuesday’s meeting.

“The county already has a radio committee made out of the different departments that utilize the radio system,” Magno said, adding that Civil Defense is also in the process of rebuilding a radio network that includes amateur radio operators.

Magno concluded that the resolution could needlessly complicate Civil Defense’s existing system, or potentially impede it.

Evans acknowledged Magno’s concerns and repeatedly emphasized that her resolution is not meant to be an indictment of Civil Defense’s abilities. Rather, she said, it is an opportunity for Civil Defense’s network to receive additional support from the County Council and potentially secure funding and resources from the state and federal governments.

“It’s not to say that people aren’t doing things, what it’s saying is ‘how can we do it better?’” Evans said.

Hamakua and Hilo Councilwomen Heather Kimball and Jenn Kagiwada questioned whether Evans worked with Magno and Civil Defense to improve their operations before resorting to a resolution. Evans said she had, and that her “sense of that conversation” was that the council can help the agency expand its operations and available resources.

Hilo Councilwoman Sue Lee Loy also said she was concerned about language in the resolution describing the radio plan as a document identifying the strengths and weaknesses of the county’s communication networks, including whether certain areas have inadequate infrastructure for emergency communications to reach.

“It’s great to share publicly what our weaknesses or our vulnerabilities are,” Lee Loy said. “But at a larger scale, I don’t want to put us at risk when it comes to deliver emergency information. … Let’s face it, we live in a time where some of this information could be utilized in a very nefarious way.”

While many council members supported the intent behind the resolution, most agreed it should be postponed until it can be revised.

The committee voted unanimously to postpone the matter until a future committee hearing.

Email Michael Brestovansky at mbrestovansky@hawaiitribune-herald.com.