Earlier than we’ve got even sat down at our desk, Dame Stephanie Shirley (“Please, name me Steve,” she says briskly) orders two glasses of champagne. She’s come bearing presents — her new guide, a set of her speeches on management, feminism, entrepreneurship and philanthropy, given over 40 years. It was her lockdown venture, she tells me with apparent pleasure, an anthology of a life nicely lived.

“I feel as one will get older, you get eager on legacy. You actually begin considering, what has my life been about?” she says, in an uncommon second of sentimentality. She sips and holds her drink out to me. “Anyway. To your good well being.”

In her practically 9 a long time, Shirley has managed to reside the equal of no less than three extraordinary lives. The primary of those, because the youthful daughter of a bourgeois German-Jewish household, was lower quick abruptly in 1939, when she was 5 years previous. That summer time, a yr after Austria had been annexed into the Third Reich, and her father, a choose, may now not work in Vienna, the Buchthals made a life-changing determination. They despatched their daughters on the Kindertransport to Britain, eight weeks earlier than battle broke out.

I feel I’m simply very stubborn. The extra folks inform me I can’t do one thing, the extra I wish to do it

The youngsters, 9 and 5, have been met in London by a childless couple who had volunteered to foster them, and have been pushed to their new residence within the West Midlands. Years later, as an grownup, Shirley would discover herself giving out her date of delivery, unthinkingly, as July 1939 — the date she arrived as a baby refugee into London’s Liverpool Avenue Station and began life anew.

To me, mom of a nearly-five-year-old daughter, the expertise is so unfathomable that it feels nearly glib to ask the way it felt. However she’s had years to replicate on it. “I’ve this sense, this survivor guilt from my childhood onwards, that I have to make the life that was saved value saving,” she says. “I actually do little or no that’s frivolous. And after I do, I really feel a bit humorous about it.”

The large adjustments Shirley needed to embrace as a baby — new dad and mom, new nationality, new language — appear to outline her persona. She is addicted to vary and problem, qualities that helped her grow to be a pioneer of Britain’s computing business and a feminist position mannequin. It’s what drew her to her past love, computer systems, whereas working on the Put up Workplace Analysis Station at Dollis Hill within the Fifties — on the time, a frontier of human data. It was the place Tommy Flowers — whom she labored alongside — had designed and constructed Colossus, the world’s first programmable digital pc, which was used to decrypt codes in Bletchley Park on D-Day. Shirley’s preternatural means for arithmetic made her an unexpectedly gifted pc programmer, and he or she wrote software program for early computer systems that crammed massive rooms during which girls have been not often seen.

Shirley, who’s 88, wears a easy, tailor-made white shirt below a darkish blazer, each by Swiss label Akris, adorned with ornate coral-shaped brooches, outsized gold rings on every hand and a pair of chunky silver flower earrings gleaming towards her comfortable bob. “I’m not increase something now, so I’m having fun with spending cash,” she says, with none hint of self-consciousness. What else is she spending it on, I ask? “I simply purchased a brand new portray, a [Jeremy] Annear. It’s an summary, make of it what you’ll.”

We’re assembly on a sunny winter day in London, on the Royal Society of Medication’s 110-year-old constructing on Wimpole Avenue, the place Shirley is a member. This wasn’t her first selection, although. She needed to eat at The Clink, a contemporary European restaurant housed in Brixton jail, with its menu ready and served by inmates. “If I’m spending cash I love to do it in a fairly charitable approach,” she says, with a smile. However coronavirus guidelines compelled a swap to the Royal Society of Medication, which, too, is a non-profit. The marbled halls we stroll via to get to the restaurant have been as soon as utilized by medical doctors to supply emergency medical help throughout the first world battle. Shirley greets the employees like previous pals as we make our strategy to our desk.

It takes her about 10 seconds to determine what to have. “The mushroom and the hen,” she tells me, casting the menu apart. I select the marinated aubergine and charred halloumi for starters, and sun-blushed tomato and mozzarella tortelloni with child spinach for my primary course.

As soon as the waiter has gone off with our order she turns to me with childlike glee. “So, have you ever ever completed a start-up? It is extremely thrilling,” she says. “I feel while you begin issues . . . you’ve gotten the chance to make a mark, to make a distinction, and to actually do one thing new. After which different folks come alongside and make all of it easy and good and large and vibrant and glossy. But it surely’s my concept.”

Shirley made her cash — about £150mn — from the software program programming firm she based in 1962, on the age of 29. It began, like all her ventures, at her kitchen desk in Chesham, in a rundown previous cottage she’d purchased along with her husband Derek, a former colleague on the Put up Workplace Analysis Station. It was that compulsive want for a problem that drove her to stop her secure job, when she found she would at all times be restricted by her gender. And simply to be contrarian, she determined that her firm, which she known as Freelance Programmers, would rent others similar to herself. The corporate’s first 300 employees have been nearly completely girls who labored from residence, many whereas caring for his or her kids.

What made her so radical? “I feel I’m simply very stubborn. The extra folks inform me I can’t do one thing, the extra I wish to do it,” she laughs. However on reflection, she narrows it down to 2 issues: at all times feeling like an outsider — “my refugee affect, being on the receiving finish of discrimination. I used to be considering, that is simply flawed” — and her lack of a proper college schooling. “I had a chip on my shoulder about not going to school till I used to be about 30. However I’m certain it could have taught me to assume conventionally . . . you understand, ‘That is the way in which you do issues,’” she says. “I used to be type of considering for myself . . . That hasn’t been stamped out of me.”

In opposition to the chances, Freelance Programmers has survived and thrived, in varied mutated types. By the yr 2007, the corporate, which listed on the London Inventory Alternate in 1996, was valued at nearly $3bn, employed 8,500 folks and had made millionaires out of 70 of its unique employees, together with Shirley. It served blue-chip purchasers corresponding to Unilever, IBM, Exxon, the BBC and the Treasury, writing programmes for every thing from bettering the effectivity of Mars bar manufacturing and British Railways’ nationwide freight scheduling, to analysing the black bins in Concorde planes. In 2007, it was acquired by French software program companies firm Sopra Steria. This August marks the corporate’s sixtieth birthday.

The exact same yr her firm was born, Shirley grew to become pregnant along with her son Giles, a straightforward child who allowed her to construct out her fledgling enterprise whereas he performed fortunately in his basket. In toddlerhood, although, Giles regressed, turning into non-verbal and more and more troublesome to handle. Identified at Nice Ormond Avenue Hospital with extreme autism, he was, the medical doctors claimed, “ineducable”. As Giles grew bodily bigger and hit puberty, his violent outbursts and epileptic matches meant that he required full-time care by educated employees. His temporary institutionalisation — introduced on when Shirley had a nervous breakdown and needed to be hospitalised for a month — is one thing she has at all times struggled with, referring to it in her 2012 autobiography Let It Go as “actually a query of survival”.

“[Motherhood] made me a a lot hotter, calmer, extra considerate individual,” she tells me. “Previous to that I’d actually been a little bit of an mental snob. All of a sudden, to have a studying disabled baby, you realise there’s a human soul in there, a spirit . . . a full individual.”

We’ve rattled via the primary a long time of her life, when she constructed her household and her wealth, however she dwells with relish on the newest chapter: the previous three a long time, which she has spent giving all of it away. She has invested £68mn, primarily within the three autism-focused charities that she based and ran herself, leaving her sufficient to be “comfy” after shedding a “entire chunk” when the dotcom bubble burst.

She nonetheless lives in the identical residence in Henley-on-Thames she moved into with Derek greater than 30 years in the past, to be nearer to Giles’s hospital, and she will’t even bear in mind the final vacation she took. Within the circumstances, then, just a few extra Annears can be acceptable, I say.

Our starters arrive, a leisurely half-hour in: hers, a mushroom and spinach tartlet, with a grape and Stilton salad, which she raises her eyebrows at — “appears to be like like a primary course”. My aubergine and halloumi salad is scrumptious, the sharp-tasting pomegranate seeds intensifying the briny tang of the cheese.

Her charities, all based after she retired from her firm in 1993, embrace Autism at Kingwood, a residential residence for autistic adults like Giles, Prior’s Court docket, a boarding faculty for younger folks with advanced autism, and Autistica, the UK’s nationwide autism analysis charity. The latter two have been funded through the Shirley Basis, arrange in 1996, which was one of many prime 50 grant-giving foundations within the UK till it “spent out” in 2018 — together with serving to to ascertain the Oxford Web Institute, a number one analysis outfit learning the influence of expertise on society.

I’m upset that Britain appears to have misplaced its ethical management on this planet, the way in which it’s behaving with refugees

Of all her pet tasks, Prior’s Court docket is a transparent favorite. “The ambiance comes from what it does, it takes care of these very weak kids . . . And there’s a lot care that it type of permeates the entire constructing. It has a beautiful ambiance,” she sighs. Put up-Brexit and the pandemic, staffing has been a problem. About 14 per cent of the varsity’s specialist employees have been from continental Europe and it’s been a battle to recruit from there. However regardless of the difficulties, it’s the one place that provides her an actual sense of hope, she says.

I’m curious how she chooses to present her cash away — what’s her technique? “I describe myself as a enterprise philanthropist . . . I see an issue, I normally do a feasibility examine and have a very good give it some thought. After which set out and attempt to remedy it. Generally I do, typically I don’t,” she shrugs.

OK, however slender it down? Her rule is to solely give to issues that she is aware of and cares about. “So if any person asks me to present to, say . . . ” she trails off, trying to find an instance, and names a well known charity exterior her area of experience. “Fantastic folks although I’m certain they’re, I don’t give, not even £5. I actually consider what I can do. What do I do know and care about? Autism and IT.”

After all, she wasn’t at all times so intentional. Her very first donation — $20,000 — was to a college debating society in Bermuda, due to a pal who was concerned with it. “You realize, this clearly isn’t the way in which to do it,” she says, impishly.

Our primary programs arrive. Her curiosity is piqued by the deep-fried sorrel leaves accompanying her hen supreme swimming in a beetroot purée. She pronounces the hen “powerful” however the leaves scrumptious.

In earlier conversations, Shirley has stayed away from politics and tells me she is a “floating voter”, however at the moment she has views. “It does appear to me I’m in search of leaders to set an ethical tone. And that is what we’re not getting in the intervening time . . . [Boris Johnson’s] morals simply appear to depart loads to be desired. That’s not likely what I need from management, nor what I aspire to be as a pacesetter.”

Having been a refugee in Britain, embraced and assimilated by the nation and its folks, she is a patriot, she says. “I like this nation with a ardour that solely somebody who has misplaced their human rights can really feel.” However she has been disillusioned by the federal government’s behaviour on this regard too. “I’m upset that Britain appears to have misplaced its ethical management on this planet, the way in which it’s behaving with refugees.”

Final yr, she accepted £4,000 in reparations from the German authorities, paid to the thousand or so remaining Kindertransport kids. “I gave the cash to a charity, Protected Passage, that appears after at the moment’s refugee kids from Europe coming to Britain,” she says. “They inform me ghastly issues like there are 11,000 kids milling across the streets of Calais, 17 of them disappear on daily basis on common. Simply disappear. Killed, trafficked. I imply simply horrendous . . . I don’t know why Britain can’t do extra.”

So what kind of chief did she aspire to be, I ask. “To assume for myself, however not of myself.”

We’re coming as much as three hours collectively and I’m acutely aware she could also be drained, however I ask if she would really like dessert. “I’m diabetic, I actually shouldn’t be consuming pudding,” she says regretfully. I decline too, out of solidarity, and we each determine on black tea — “Indian tea”, as she calls it.

I’m acutely aware that I’m turning into a task mannequin for aged folks, as a result of I’m so busy. There’s way more life left in me. Bodily I discover it a pressure, however mentally it’s only a pleasure

We sit again, digesting. There’s been a lot to have fun in her life, however there’s additionally been appreciable heartache. Derek, whom she was married to for 62 years, died late final yr. And in 1998, on the age of 35, her son Giles died whereas having an epileptic slot in his sleep. “To lose a baby is a tragedy,” she tells me quietly. “There’s no identify . . . should you’re a baby that loses a father or mother you’re an orphan, however there’s no identify for any person who loses a baby.” I wish to understand how she compelled that wretched grief into one thing optimistic, how she made it via, however I can’t fairly convey myself to ask.

She permits herself a uncommon second of vulnerability. “I’ve misplaced loads. I’m acutely aware of that. I’m acutely aware I’m shedding my youth, I’m shedding my power, very acutely aware I’m most likely in my final decade. That’s not an excellent feeling both. However I’m acutely aware that I’m turning into a task mannequin for aged folks, as a result of I’m so busy. There’s way more life left in me. Bodily I discover it a pressure, however mentally it’s only a pleasure . . . ” She trails off.

As we end our tea, she shakes it off and appears at me. “No, my life has been superb. It’s been a protracted life, however it’s been an excellent life.”

Has she discovered that elusive key to being pleased? “You realize, I wasn’t at all times pleased. I’m pleased now and that comes just because I spend my life in a compassionate mode. I feel I’m simply terribly fortunate to have one thing to rise up for every morning.” She pauses, smiles. “Most ladies my age are simply enthusiastic about lunch.”

Madhumita Murgia is the FT’s European expertise correspondent

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