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In L.A., you'll see babies at Costco and Chi Spacca. How young is too young for crowds?

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In L.A., you'll see babies at Costco and Chi Spacca. How young is too young for crowds?

In a sea of people, you might catch a glimpse of one. A tiny head barely peeking out of the top of a carrier. Or a small, scrunched face slumbering in a stroller. Sometimes, the magnificent creature will declare itself with a distinct cry and you know a fresh human baby is in your midst.

The natural habitat for a newborn baby is usually inside their home. But sometimes, you will spot one catching a matinee at the El Capitan Theatre.

That’s where Rob Hatch-Miller and his wife, Puloma Basu, took their newborn daughter the week she was born. It was 2017 and the first-time parents celebrated Hatch-Miller’s birthday with a baby-friendly showing of “Star Wars: The Last Jedi.” At the baby-friendly screenings — which ended at the El Capitan but are still offered at Alamo Drafthouse — babies were allowed to wail over the lowered movie volume.

For the new family of three, the outing was a respite before the arrival of the holidays and jubilant out-of-town relatives. The couple checked in with their pediatrician, who reminded them to feed the baby every two to three hours but otherwise wasn’t worried, said Basu, 44.

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In the dimly lit theater, while Kylo Ren led an onscreen assault on the Resistance, their 6-day-old baby slept the whole time.

“It was a great birthday,” said Hatch-Miller, 43, who often advises expectant friends to take their babies into the greater world sooner than later. “You’re going to have a couple years where it’s really complicated to go out for a meal or just go see a matinee movie. Do it now while they’re small.”

Throughout Los Angeles, newborns make appearances at movie theaters, Costco, Starbucks and even fine-dining restaurants. While doctors recommend that newborns — especially during the first month of life — be kept away from crowded spaces to protect their health, not all parents feel the need to be so cautious.

The question about the ideal age to take a newborn into public spaces is raised again and again online by anxious new parents trying to balance their desires to protect and find normalcy. Is a quick trip to the grocery store forbidden? And if you go, is the employee at checkout yawning because of fatigue or the bubonic plague?

Parenthood is always complicated, but especially so at the beginning. So we talked to doctors and parents who’ve been there about how to navigate bringing a fresh baby into the wild.

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If anything, avoid crowds the first month

A baby’s first month of life is the neonatal period, a vulnerable time because of their immature immune system.

“This is the time to avoid crowds,” especially crowded indoor spaces, said Dr. Robert C. Hamilton, a Santa Monica-based pediatrician and author of “7 Secrets of the Newborn.”

A fever in the first month could be a sign of a major infection, which means hospitalization, said Dr. Colleen Kraft, a pediatrician at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles and past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Babies in the neonatal period are unimmunized. The first go-around of vaccines is usually complete when a baby is 2 months old.

“At 2 months of age, you can become a little more liberal in taking your child out into spaces where there are more people,” said Hamilton.

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Before you go anywhere with a newborn, said Kraft, ask yourself: Is it peak flu season like the one that swamped California? If so, consider staying home.

The great outdoors is fine

Babies can be out in nature on their first day of life. Hamilton tells new parents they can walk home from the hospital if they so choose. “I don’t have too many takers on that,” he said.

Beaches, parks and neighborhood strolls are all OK too.

But Vivien Kotler, mom of two, cautions to not read too far into how you perceive others handling their babies out in the wild. She lives in a house that faces Silver Lake Boulevard and the reservoir loop — a favorite stroll for new parents.

Her window is like a real-life, highly curated Instagram feed. Each time before both her children — Pallas and Blaise, now 9 and 6 years old — were born, she remembers seeing moms who attended her prenatal yoga class one week and then were walking the loop with their newborns the next. “You see these people who seem effortlessly walking around doing normal things with their babies neatly wrapped into them or in the stroller,” said Kotler, 48. “And so, you’re thinking, ‘OK, that is what normal is.’”

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Five days after giving birth to Pallas, Kotler went to a restaurant with her. It started out fine. Then Pallas cried and the outing spiraled into a mess. In hindsight, Kotler said she was chasing an image of being out and about that didn’t quite align with her values.

When her second child was born, she decided to let go of aspirational standards and focus on her relationship with her newborn — at home.

“You go to Legoland or Disneyland and you see these brand-new parents with babies who can barely see, and it’s like, you guys are going to have to do this for the next 10 years,” said Kotler. “You don’t have to start right as soon as the baby comes out.”

When craving normalcy

Life with a new baby can feel very busy.

“But it’s also kind of under-stimulating,” said Franziska Reff, a psychologist who practices in Atwater Village and runs a virtual support group for new moms. “Your social side and your intellectual side aren’t being utilized in the same way.”

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For parents who choose to bring their newborn on outings — even a walk or a doughnut run — the experience can feel like a microdose of self-identity, said Reff.

Before their daughter, Alaya, was born, Jessica Ettman and her husband, J.D. Plotnick, dined out frequently. Both have backgrounds in the restaurant industry. Their initial intention was to pause their nightlife and nest with their newborn at home.

But when Alaya was not yet 3 weeks old, they took her to a family wedding. A few weeks later, a reservation at Camélia in the Arts District presented itself like manna from heaven. Alaya had already been out at the wedding, so they decided to give fine dining a try.

“We were at dinner for a couple hours, and it was really great,” said Ettman, 43. “Then I was like, ‘Let’s do it again.’”

Since then, Alaya, now 4 months old, has been to some of the best restaurants in the city. At Chi Spacca, the wait staff borrowed a chair with a back from Osteria Mozza next door so Ettman could feel more comfortable holding and nursing Alaya.

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Every dining experience with the baby is tiring — equal parts nice and not worth it, said Ettman. Especially unpleasant: changing diapers in dimly lit bathroom stalls without changing tables after explosive newborn poops. But she always feels a sense of accomplishment at the end.

“It makes me feel like a super mom,” Ettman said. “I can bring my baby. I could see my friends. I can go anywhere I want to go and not feel self-conscious.”

Do experts follow their own recommendations?

Although he cannot recommend parents take a newborn (especially during the first month) into crowded spaces, Hamilton said there are ways to mitigate risk. Dine alfresco, he said. If that’s not an option, go to a corner table for an earlier reservation or a matinee movie before the crowds arrive.

Reff added there may be room for personal preference within doctor recommendations.

“I counsel a lot of parents to think about what works for you as a person and what works for you as a family because it’s about your risk tolerance,” she said. While living on the East Coast, she toted her own newborn on public transit.

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“That just seemed normal to us,” said Reff.

This raises the question: Do doctors follow their own recommendations?

Yes, said Kraft, who has three children. She kept them at home as much as possible in their newborn days.

Hamilton paused to reflect on the question.

“We have six kids, OK,” he said. “We used common sense, but we were also surrounded by all these kids. We survived. They all survived. They’re all adults. They’re all taxpaying people.”

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Delroy Lindo is nominated for an Oscar for best supporting actor for his role in Sinners.

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Over the course of his decades-long career on stage and in Hollywood, Sinners actor Delroy Lindo has experienced firsthand what he calls the “disappointments, the vicissitudes of the industry.”

On Feb. 22, at the BAFTA awards in London, Lindo and Sinners co-star Michael B. Jordan were the first presenters of the evening when a man with Tourette syndrome shouted a racial slur.

Initially, Lindo says, he questioned if he had heard correctly. Then, he says, he adjusted his glasses and read the teleprompter: “I processed in the way that I process, in a nanosecond. Mike did similarly, and we went on and did our jobs.”

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Lindo describes the BAFTA incident as “something that started out negatively becoming a positive.” A week after the BAFTAs, he appeared with Sinners director Ryan Coogler at the NAACP awards.

“The fact that I could stand there in a room predominantly of our people …  and feel safe, feel loved, feel supported,” he says. “I just wanted to officially, formally say thank you to our people and to all of the people who have supported us as a result of that event, that incident.”

Sinners is a haunting vampire thriller about twins (both played by Jordan) who open a juke joint in 1930s Mississippi. The film has been nominated for a record 16 Academy Awards, including best actor for Jordan and best supporting actor for Lindo, who plays a blues musician named Delta Slim.

This is Lindo’s first Oscar nomination; five years ago, many felt his performance in the Spike Lee film Da 5 Bloods deserved recognition from the Academy. When that didn’t happen, Lindo admits he was disappointed, but he had no choice but to move on.

“I have never taken my marbles and gone home,” he says. “And I want to claim that I will not do that now. I will continue working.”

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Interview highlights

On his preparation to play Delta Slim

Various people have mentioned … [that] my presence reminds them of an uncle or their grandfather, somebody that they knew from their families, and that is a huge compliment, but more importantly than being a compliment, it’s an affirmation for the work. My preparation for this started with Ryan sending me two books, Blues People, by Amiri Baraka — who was [known as] LeRoi Jones when he wrote the book — and Deep Blues, by Robert Palmer.

DELROY LINDO as Delta Slim in Warner Bros. Pictures’ “SINNERS,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Source:

Lindo, shown above in his role as Delta Slim, says director Ryan Coogler “created a sacred space for all of us” on the Sinners set.

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In reading those books and then referencing those books, continuing to reference those throughout production, I was given an entrée into the worlds, the lifestyles of these musicians. There’s a certain kind of itinerant quality that they moved around a lot. The constant for them is their music, so that there is this deep-seated connection to the music.

On being Oscar-nominated for the first time — and thinking about other Black actors, including Halle Berry and Lou Gossett Jr., who had trouble getting work after their wins

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I will not view it as a curse, because I am claiming the victory in this process, no matter what happens. … In terms of this moment, I absolutely am claiming, as much as I can, the joy of this moment. I’m not saying I don’t have trepidation, I do. It’s the reason I was not listening to the broadcast this year when the nominations were announced. I did not want to set myself up. But I’m … attempting as much as I can to fortify myself and know in my heart that I will continue working as an actor. I absolutely will.

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On being “othered” as a child because of his race

Because my mom was studying to be a nurse they would not allow her to have an infant child with her on campus, so as a result of that, I was sent to live with a white family in a white working class area of London. … I was loved, I was cared for, but as a result of living with this family in this all-white neighborhood, I went to an all-white elementary or primary school. And I was literally the only Black child in an all-white school.

So one afternoon, after school had ended, I was playing with one of my playmates … And at a certain point in our game, a car pulls up, and this kid that I was playing with goes over to the car and has a very short conversation with whomever was in the car, which I now know was his parent, his father. He comes back and he … says, “I can’t play with you.” And that was the end of the game.

On the experience of writing his forthcoming memoir

It’s been healing, actually. I’m not denying that it has opened me up. I’ve been compelled to scrutinize myself. I’m using that word very advisedly, “scrutinized.” It’s a scrutiny, it’s an examination of oneself. But in my case, because a very, very, very significant part of what I’m writing has to do with re-examining my relationship with my mom. And so my mom is a protagonist in my memoir. I’m told by my editor and by my publisher that one of the attractions to what I’m writing is that it is not a classic “celebrity memoir.” I am examining history. I’m examining culture. I’m looking at certain passages of history through the lens of the “Windrush” experience [of Caribbean immigrants who came to the UK after World War II].

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On getting a masters degree to help him write his mother’s story

My mom deserved it. My mom is deserving. And not only is my mom deserving, by extension, all the people of the Windrush generation are deserving. Stories about Windrush are not part of the global cultural lexicon commensurate with its impact. The people of Windrush changed the definition of what it means to be British. There are all these Black and brown people, theretofore members of what used to be called the British Commonwealth. And they were invited by the British government to come to England, the United Kingdom, to help rebuild the United Kingdom in the aftermath of the destruction of World War II. My mom was part of that movement. They helped rebuild construction, construction industry, transportation industry, critically, the health industry, the NHS, the National Health Service. My mom is a nurse.

The reason that I went into NYU was because my original intention was to write a screenplay about my mom. I wanted to write a screenplay about my mom because I looked around and I thought: Where are the feature films that have as protagonist a Caribbean female, a Black female, where are they? … I wanted to address that, I wanted to correct that, what I see as being an imbalance.

Ann Marie Baldonado and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Beth Novey adapted it for the web.

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Michael B. Jordan plays twin brothers Smoke and Stack in Sinners.

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What to watch if you loved…

Ryan Coogler’s supernatural horror stars Michael B. Jordan playing twin brothers who open a 1930s juke joint in Mississippi. Opening night does not go as planned when vampires appear outside. “In a straightforward metaphor for all the ways Black culture has been co-opted by whiteness, the raucous pleasures and sonic beauty of the juke joint attract the interest of a trio of demons … they wish to literally leech off of the talents and energy of Black folks,” writes critic Aisha Harris. The film made history with a record 16 Academy Award nominations.

We asked our NPR audience: What movie would you recommend to someone who loved Sinners? Here’s what you told us:

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Near Dark (1987)
Directed by Kathryn Bigelow; starring Adrian Pasdar, Jenny Wright, Lance Henriksen
If you want another cool vampire movie with Western kind of vibes, check out Kathryn Bigelow’s Near Dark — super underseen and kind of hard to find, but really gritty and sexy and another very different take on what you might think is a genre that had been wrung dry. – Maggie Grossman, Chicago, Ill.

30 Days of Night (2007)
Directed by David Slade; starring Josh Hartnett, Melissa George, Danny Huston
It follows a group of people in a small Alaskan town as they struggle to survive an invasion of vampires who have taken advantage of the month-long absence of the sun. Both this and Sinners revolve around a vampire takeover and the people’s fight to outlast the “night.” – Nathan Strzelewicz, DeWitt, Mich.

The Wailing (2016)
Directed by Na Hong-jin; starring Kwak Do-won, Hwang Jung-min, Chun Woo-hee, Jun Kunimura
In this South Korean supernatural horror film, a mysterious illness causes people in a quiet rural village to become violent and murderous. A local police officer investigates while trying to save his daughter, who begins showing the same disturbing symptoms. The film blends folk horror, religion, and psychological dread, exploring themes of faith, evil, and moral weakness. Like Sinners, it centers on a supernatural force corrupting a close-knit community, builds slow-burning tension, and examines spiritual conflict and human frailty. – Amy Merke, Bronx, N.Y.

Fréwaka (2024)
Directed by Aislinn Clarke; starring Bríd Ní Neachtain, Clare Monnelly, Aleksandra Bystrzhitskaya
In this Irish folk horror film, a home care worker, Shoo, is assigned to stay with an elderly woman who’s convinced she’s under siege by malevolent fairies. Like Sinners, Fréwaka blends folk traditions and social commentary with horror. The social failures Shoo copes with (untreated mental health issues, religious abuse) are just as frightening as the supernatural forces. – Kerrin Smith, Baltimore, Md.

And a bonus pick from our critic:

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Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom (2020)
Directed by George C. Wolfe; starring Viola Davis, Chadwick Boseman, Glynn Turman
This is an adaptation of August Wilson’s play about a legendary blues singer (Viola Davis) muscling through a recording session with white producers who want to control her music. Chadwick Boseman’s blistering in his final role. – Bob Mondello, NPR movie critic

Carly Rubin and Ivy Buck contributed to this project. It was edited by Clare Lombardo.

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