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Jo Koy and Fluffy’s sold-out SoFi show marks a turning point for stand-up comedy

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Jo Koy and Fluffy’s sold-out SoFi show marks a turning point for stand-up comedy

Running free during a game of catch on the empty field at SoFi Stadium is a fantasy most Angelenos will never experience. For comedians Jo Koy and Gabriel Iglesias, it’s just a warm-up to a dream that’s been a lifetime in the making.

Gripping the football with fingers covered in Filipino tribal tattoos extending in a sleeve up his arm, Koy looks across the expanse of emerald green turf at his son jogging toward the south end zone of the Inglewood stadium on a recent afternoon. “To be able to throw at SoFi is crazy,” Koy said with a sparkling grin of bright white veneers.

The 54-year-old comedian with a beard full of gray stubble drops back to pass, launching a tight spiral underneath SoFi’s massive technicolor halo scoreboard hovering above a sea of empty stands. Joseph Jr. — a wiry 22-year-old with a head full of curly dark brown hair — runs briskly toward the goal line with a black cast on his left arm. He raises his right arm just in time to scoop it into his chest for a touchdown. The imaginary crowd goes wild.

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“Yes!!!” Koy shouts, his excitement echoing in the stadium. He jogs over to Joseph in his navy blue coverall jumpsuit and L.A. Dodgers cap to deliver a satisfying father-son chest bump.

A few yards away, Iglesias is watching Roka, his tiny black chihuahua, dart around the field like four pounds of rambunctious entitlement. The plus-sized comedian — better known as “Fluffy” — is sporting his typical loose-fitting vintage Hawaiian shirt, denim shorts and black flat cap. Whenever they stand together, the duo’s dynamic is like a modern-day Laurel and Hardy.

 Comedians Jo Koy, in front, and Gabriel Iglesias on the field at SoFi Stadium in ahead of their sold-out March 21st show.

Nearly 70% of tickets for Koy and Iglesias’ SoFi show sold within days, making this the largest stadium stand-up performance to date.

(Christina House/Los Angeles Times)

“The fact that we’ve known each other as long as we have is wild … we’ve known each other since we both had hair,” Iglesias, 49, says as they both lift up their caps in unison, laughing and exposing their shiny bald heads.

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On March 21, this stadium will be filled with more than 70,000 guests as the pair takes center stage at the Super Bowl of comedy — the largest stadium stand-up show to date. Koy and Iglesias are now part of a small fraternity of comics, including Kevin Hart, Dane Cook, Bill Burr and Larry the Cable Guy, who’ve sold out stadiums across the country.

The one-night-only show, which won’t be televised or recorded as a special, is meant to be one giant party for comedy fans who’ve supported Koy and Iglesias since their early days. The comics will be passing the mic back and forth throughout the night, which will feature special guests, surprise moments and plenty of other unplanned interruptions that will make for a roughly four-hour show. Though the L.A. comedy scene tends to exist in the shadow of Hollywood, this feat managed by two of its biggest names puts a historic spotlight on stand-up.

“It’s more sweet because it’s taken so long,” Iglesias said. “This wasn’t an overnight thing. Nowadays, everybody wants everything so fast. Between the two of us, we’ve got about 60 years of comedy experience.”

“It’s insane. I can’t explain it,” Koy adds, staring up at the stadium’s glass roof, preparing to crack it with decibels of laughter. “Every time we come in here and look up, I’m like, ‘There’s going to be a stage here the size of the end zone.’ We took the stage from the arenas that we normally play and injected steroids into it.”

For comedians who’ve witnessed their ascent, which now literally includes hands and feet cemented in front of TCL Chinese Theatre and a star for Fluffy on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, the journey has been incredible to watch.

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“It’s huge for stand-up, it used to be just in dingy clubs and bars and always something small and intimate and kinda like an afterthought,” said fellow comedy star Tiffany Haddish, a longtime friend to both Koy and Iglesias. “To be honest I never thought comedy would be this big.”

Jay Leno, a confidant to Iglesias and the man who inspired him to start his own insane car collection and offered Koy his first late-night appearance on “The Tonight Show,” agrees that a show like this is a huge step for comedy.

“My attitude when I came to this town was if you can’t get in through the front door, go in the back door,” Leno said. “And they didn’t do it the traditional way, they got to where they are as comedians, one audience member at a time.”

Comedians Jo Koy, left, and Gabriel Iglesias, aka, "Fluffy," right, are photographed at SoFi Stadium

For the two L.A. comedians, the historic milestone represents decades of work and signals comedy’s arrival in mainstream entertainment venues.

(Christina House/Los Angeles Times)

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When the pair of arena-selling comics announced last year they’d be joining forces to perform at SoFi, the task of filling the massive concert venue and football stadium seemed laughable. But within a week, it clearly wasn’t a joke. Nearly 70% of the tickets were sold just days after going on sale. Now, weeks before the gig, the show is completely sold out with more seats being added. If there’s one person who is not necessarily surprised, it’s Iglesias. By his calculations — including his ability to sell out Dodger Stadium twice for the filming of his 2022 Netflix special, “Stadium Fluffy,” and Koy’s ability to sell out the Forum a record-setting six consecutive times (more than any other comedian) — the math checked out.

“At a certain point it’s like we’ve been doing [huge stand-up shows] for so many years, it becomes normal,” Iglesias said. “What do you do to change things? What do you do to grow? The worst thing that happens is it fails. But at least we know we tried it. Then we know what our ceiling is. But as of now, this isn’t the ceiling.”

Despite the logic, looking at the stadium’s massive seating chart during an initial meeting with the venue made the task feel akin to climbing Mt. Everest.

“SoFi is the size of like five Forums. That seating chart on a wall was the most discouraging thing I could possibly look at,” Koy said. “And then looking at the amount of money it was gonna cost us even before we sell one ticket. Me and Gabe should’ve been looking at that and been like, ‘What … are we thinking? Hell nah we ain’t doing this … !’”

It took more than a little convincing from Iglesias to get Koy on board. “[Jo] does not like change. I had to break down the math for him and I pushed it a lot,” Iglesias said. “And I’m glad we did because now that it’s sold out, the hard part is over. We just have to show up and deliver a kick-ass show. And then we can both celebrate after, crack a couple bottles and I know I’m taking a week off after that.”

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Unlike a typical arena show, which takes several months to coordinate, their big night at SoFi required a full year of planning. The production and stage will be three times the size of the comedians’ normal stages and will be managed by the same team that produces stadium shows for acts like Los Bukis and Bad Bunny.

 Comedian Gabriel Iglesias, aka, "Fluffy," is photographed with his dog at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood on February 10, 2026.

“It’s more sweet because it’s taken so long,” Iglesias said. “This wasn’t an overnight thing. Nowadays, everybody wants everything so fast. Between the two of us, we’ve got about 60 years of comedy experience.”

(Christina House/Los Angeles Times)

“It’s almost like a chessboard,” Iglesias said. “You got to do a bunch of moves in order to pull something like this off, it’s not just we’re gonna do it. This took a lot of planning, a lot of coordinating.”

When asked how the tickets could’ve possibly moved so fast, outside of typical avenues of good marketing and promotion, Koy says it was really comedy fans making a statement of support for them and for stand-up.

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“There’s no such thing as marketing on this one, to me it’s a phenom,” he said, noting the pride both he and Iglesias have to see the excitement and support from local fans, especially Filipino and Latin communities across L.A. that have been a major part of their respective fanbases. “That type of reaction and that response to us saying we’re gonna be at SoFi is almost like a bragging right and it’s ‘our night, we’re gonna be there, I don’t care where we’re sitting.’”

The SoFi gig was conceived in February of 2024 during Koy’s sixth sold-out show at Kia Forum. In the hoopla of Koy breaking his own audience record at the venue, Iglesias crashed the show, presented his friend with a plaque and laid down the gauntlet in front of 17,500 fans. When Iglesias asked Koy if they should contemplate performing “across the street” together, the crowd erupted with excitement.

“Our agents and managers were like, ‘Are you sure you wanna do that?’’’ Iglesias said. “I think they missed a couple bonuses. But at the end of the day, it’s part of history.”

“That’s what’s beautiful about Gabe, he’s not scared to take on those big risks,” Koy said. “But the whole thing was a risk. We gotta alter our tour dates and sacrifice other opportunities to make this happen.”

 Comedian Jo Koy is photographed at SoFi Stadium

“Every time we come in here and look up, I’m like, ‘There’s going to be a stage here the size of the end zone,‘” Koy said about the upcoming SoFi show on Mar. 21. “We took the stage from the arenas that we normally play and injected steroids into it.”

(Christina House/Los Angeles Times)

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For Koy, a life of comedy was a risk inspired by his heroes while growing up in Tacoma, Wash. He traces it back to being 15 and seeing Eddie Murphy perform at Climate Pledge Arena during his “Raw” tour in Seattle. He remembers taking a panoramic look at the sold-out crowd roaring in the darkness before the leather-suited legend even took the stage. “I’m like, ‘Wait a minute, this guy got this many people in here?’ I just thought that was the most impossible thing,” Koy remembers. “And now I get to share this moment with my son and let him walk with me and let him see that this is possible.”

When Koy was moving up the comedy ranks under his real name Joseph Glenn Herbert, the thought of calling himself a comedian felt like a pipe dream. Koy, the son of a white father and Filipina mother, saw comedy as a way to channel an overactive personality and need to make people laugh into a career. Going from coffee shop open mics in Tacoma to clubs and casinos in Las Vegas in 1989, Koy scratched out a living doing random jobs to move to L.A. in 2001 with hopes of making it big.

Working at a bank or Nordstrom Rack offered some stability as he drove up and down Sunset Boulevard in his battered Honda Prelude with one broken headlight, looking for a way forward to pursue his passion. Haddish, his longtime friend, spent years working with Koy, who served as her mentor at the Laugh Factory. Between sets on stage, the two would often take breaks to fantasize about fame.

“Jo and I would sit outside of the Laugh Factory and have these conversations and we’d be eating hot dogs wrapped in bacon and we’d be dreaming about being in a big movie, playing big theaters and helping people heal through laughter,” Haddish said. “Now here we are.”

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Comedians Gabriel Iglesias, aka, "Fluffy," left, and Jo Koy, right, are photographed on a golf cart at SoFi Stadium

“At the end of the day, this is a big stamp. And I think it also lets other comics know, ‘Hey, man, step up your game. Let’s grow this,’” Iglesias said.

(Christina House/Los Angeles Times)

Pulling off a show of this magnitude is jaw-dropping to think about, Iglesias said, even after having achieved a similar feat just a few years ago at Dodgers Stadium where he filmed his special over the course of two shows. He also set a record for fines incurred by a performer for going over his allotted time slot (a hefty $250,000 for not leaving the venue until 4 a.m.). The SoFi gig leaves him only one shot to get it right. This time around, Iglesias feels infinitely less pressure despite the bigger venue.

“[Dodger Stadium] for me was grueling,” Iglesias said. “I didn’t know what to expect, I didn’t know how it was gonna go. Every day we were pulling our hair out trying to figure it out. Fortunately we were still able to pull it off and we learned a lot from it. This time around, believe me when I tell you the stress of this show is not even there.”

Iglesias, a native of Long Beach, has spent over 30 years rising up the comedy ranks. Among his accomplishments are seven major comedy specials, a TV show (“Mr. Iglesias”) and becoming the first Mexican American comic with a top-grossing worldwide tour. Like Koy, who also has seven major specials, Iglesias went through a lot of metamorphosis on stage prior to finding his calling as a gregarious, fun-loving comedian with a penchant for doing cartoon-ish voices.

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Leno says one of the key factors in Fluffy’s mass appeal is his likability.

“The great thing about Gabriel is that the kindness comes across, there’s not a mean spirit in his body,” he said. “There’s a lot of comics who are really funny but people don’t like them because they think they’re mean-spirited. … When you watch Gabe even when he does something that’s not fall-down hysterical, you smile because you like him. … I find him a joy to watch.”

Much of what Iglesias learned about marketing himself was inspired by the WWE. The costumes, witty banter and theatrics of the wrestling ring influenced his consistent look and even allowed the name “Fluffy” to become his calling card.

Comedians Gabriel Iglesias, aka, "Fluffy," in front, and Jo Koy are photographed at SoFi Stadium

Comedians Gabriel Iglesias, aka, “Fluffy,” in front, and Jo Koy are photographed at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood on February 10, 2026, ahead of their March 21st show.

(Christina House/Los Angeles Times)

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“There is a certain level of pandemonium, as they say in wrestling, that’s needed to get people excited,” Iglesias said. “Then there’s the marketing and the way that you do it — so I did study wrestling a lot.”

Handing the kingdom of SoFi over to the court jesters for a night is a feat worthy of celebration.

“At the end of the day, this is a big stamp. And I think it also lets other comics know, ‘Hey, man, step up your game. Let’s grow this,’” Iglesias said. “And it’s not, ‘Step up your game,’ like we’re competing with each other. It’s more so like, ‘Let’s elevate the game of comedy.’”

Right now Koy feels plenty elevated, as though he’s floating every time he enters the stadium and looks up at the stands — like the night he saw Eddie Murphy all those years ago.

“You should’ve heard the whispers me and Gabe had to ourselves walking out of the stadium tunnel, like, ‘Yo, is this really happening?!’” Koy said with a megawatt smile. “Coming from an open mic night at a coffee house, never in my wildest dreams did I say, ‘Someday, a football stadium’ … we’re literally living our dreams right now.”

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In a hearing about competing protective order filings from reality TV star Taylor Frankie Paul and her ex-boyfriend Dakota Mortensen, a Utah judge granted Thursday that both orders go into effect, though he delayed making a decision on a custody arrangement.

The orders, which were issued by third district court commissioner Russell Minas, are in place for three years and require Paul and Mortensen to stay at least 100 feet away from each other. He also warned that they both could be subjected to criminal charges if there’s a violation of the orders.

“I do think it’s important that there be mutual orders,” Minas said. “I am just concerned that if I don’t order both of them to stay away from each other, there’s going to be some additional problems.”

Addressing Paul and Mortensen, Minas said: “I’m hoping that you’re not people who just thrive on the drama and the conflict … I do want to work with both of you to try to restore some sense of normalcy. I just think right now, you two need to stay away from each other and there needs to be orders that will result in consequences if you attempt to try to engage each other because I still think you have this attraction to each other, physical or otherwise.”

“The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” star, 31, and Mortensen, 33, both appeared in Utah court for the hearing, which was livestreamed, the first time they’ve been seen in the same room together since news broke last month that they were involved in domestic violence investigations involving multiple allegations.

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In the weeks leading up to the ruling, the judge had granted Mortensen custody of their son, with up to eight hours per week of supervised visitation for Paul, known as one of the stars of Hulu’s “The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.” That arrangement will stay in place until the judge offers his recommendation on parent time on or before May 11.

Dakota Mortensen in the courtroom on Thursday.

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A review hearing is set for June, once mental health and domestic violence assessments of Paul and Mortensen ordered as part of the safety plan by child protective services have been completed and processed.

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Paul’s attorney, Eric M. Swinyard, described the hearing as a “significant step forward.”

“Taylor was incredibly candid with the Court that she is not perfect and owned her faults,” read part of his statement. “She looks forward to continuing to cooperate with the Court to make progress in the custody case.”

The Times also reached out to Mortensen for comment.

Paul and Mortensen had been under investigation by both the Draper City Police Department and West Jordan Police Department regarding a series of allegations each made that the other had acted violently during altercations in February, as well as an incident that took place in 2024. After the February allegations made headlines, a video of Paul in 2023 that led to her arrest was leaked; it showed the reality star throwing bar stools at Mortensen while her daughter was present. (Paul pleaded guilty in abeyance to aggravated assault following that incident and her probation in that case will be up in August.) Amid the investigation, Mortensen and Paul filed competing protective orders against each other.

The Salt Lake County district attorney’s office and the Draper City prosecutor both declined to file charges against Paul in April, citing insufficient evidence to prove allegations beyond a reasonable doubt.

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The situation between the embattled exes also resulted in the pausing of filming of “Mormon Wives” Season 5. The show has documented the pair’s tumultuous relationship since it’s launch in 2024. It also led to the shelving of Season 22 of ABC’s “The Bachelorette,” which featured Paul as its heroine.

But Thursday’s ruling on the orders comes a week after reports surfaced that “Mormon Wives” has resumed production on its fifth season, without Paul and Mortensen’s involvement — though, Paul reportedly has the option to return. The fate of the unaired season of “The Bachelorette” remains unclear.

Alexandra Del Rosario contributed reporting.

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By David Stewart

Director Kent Jones explores aging, ego, and New York’s literary ghosts in a wry, performance-driven drama led by Willem Dafoe.

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Willem Dafoe in a scene from Late Fame. Photo: IFFBoston

Does creativity remain fertile as one reaches the end of their life? From In a Lonely Place (1950) to The Wonder Boys (2000), a number of films have probed the internal insecurities of the world-weary, burnt-out writer. Directed by respected film critic, former NYFF programmer, and documentarian Kent Jones, Late Fame is a cerebrally warm but satirically stark exploration of the theme, focusing on how the influence of celebrity can upend creativity. Inspired by Arthur Schnitzler’s posthumously titular novella, screenwriter Samy Burch (May December) deliberately discards the dour setting of Schnitzler’s 1920s Vienna for the livelier atmosphere of New York City’s modern-day Lower East Side.

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Willem Dafoe plays Ed Saxberger, a postal worker and once-published poet who hasn’t written anything in nearly four decades. His daily grind is comfortably monotonous until Meyers (Edmund Donovan), a young overenthusiastic fan of his, shows up outside his apartment. After persistent wheedling, Meyers introduces Ed to a café salon of various writers who dream of their big break. In reality, the group is made up of pretentious rich boys who haven’t the slightest idea what artists of Ed’s generation went through to be published. Meyers and his wealthy cohorts sit on the far end of the café, away from the social media influencers, as they profess hypocritical Luddite-based principles while taking calls on their cell phones. But these coffee sessions fuel Ed’s once-depleted ego and rekindle his affection for Gloria (Greta Lee), an actress and chanteuse struggling to make her mark. Ed finds himself cajoled by Meyers into writing new material and a memoir as part of a campaign to revive his career by making him the keynote speaker at a public reading. Panic sets in: Ed’s days are spent looking at a blank page as he listens to audiotapes of the poets of his generation, such as Anne Waldman and William Carlos Williams, attempting to foil his writer’s block.

Late Fame is Jones’ reverential (and earnest) love letter to creativity and New York City. The director grew up in the Berkshires before moving to NYC in the ’80s to work on Martin Scorsese’s documentaries. His lens affectionately embraces the eccentric characters in Burch’s script, the remnants of the city’s bygone literary era. His quasi-verité approach to filming the salons hums with a verve reminiscent of Jim Jarmusch’s Stranger Than Paradise (1984) as well as John Cassavetes’ Shadows (1959) and Opening Night (1977). As in Jones’ first narrative feature, Diane (2018), the director finds a transcendent resonance in Ed’s life of self-induced loneliness. He hides his cell phone — only to end up hearing voicemails from his estranged family as he toils in the service of adoring strangers. Meanwhile, Ed has to deal with his social life, his blue-collar postal worker buddies putting down his literary dreams in a dive bar worthy of a visit from Charles Bukowski.

Dafoe is a consistently engaging actor. His composed presence here is not unlike Jack Nicholson’s David Staebler in Bob Rafelson’s The King of Marvin Gardens (1972). He is reluctant to go along with the insane plans of those around him; we know this because we hear him reflect on his plight during nightly walks around the city. Dafoe started his career in the late ’70s as a member of the experimental theatre company the Wooster Group, and his reenactment of Ed’s spirited youthful performances evokes an edgy energy. Greta Lee taps into Sally Bowles–styled stamina; she lights up Ed’s life, serenading him as she sings Kurt Weill numbers in a downtown cabaret. (The film that inspired Jones to become a critic and director was Bob Fosse’s Cabaret (1972).) Edmund Donovan’s hyperactive performance as Meyers lampoons those who are oblivious to the barriers posed by class and unable to separate the rewards of creativity from those of instant gratification. Late Fame has its creative limitations: Ed’s past as an alcoholic and Gloria’s psychological conflicts are underexplored. Still, the depth of Dafoe and Lee’s performances makes up for these weaknesses; the pair help amplify the suspense that holds the film’s third act together.

The film’s visuals are a tactile plus. The handheld camerawork of Wyatt Garfield, who shot Jones’ previous film along with Beasts of the Southern Wild (2012), underscores the morbidity of Ed’s isolation and the reverie of his newfound friends. Editor Mike Selemon has cut the snappy wit and pathos in Burch’s script with a sharp eye. Don Fleming’s bluesy guitar score evokes the sounds of John Lurie and other No Wave musicians who were a big part of the downtown New York scene of the late ’70s, when Ed established his career.

In his preface to The Picture of Dorian Gray, Oscar Wilde wrote that “to reveal art and conceal the artist is art’s aim. The critic is he who can translate into another manner or a new material his impression of beautiful things.” Jones, no doubt drawing on his critical sensibility, successfully conveys the complexities of making art, regardless of age, and shares them beautifully in Late Fame.

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David Stewart currently teaches at Emerson College, Plymouth State University, and Southern New Hampshire University. His first book, 2025’s There’s No Going Back: The Life and Work of Jonathan Demme, was published by the University of Kentucky Press.

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Deon Cole will tell anyone plainly: Not every comic wants to talk about their audience members.

The longtime stand-up comedian will do some crowd work if he must. But he would much rather tell you the jokes he wrote. It’s the nature of a changing audience that is now more likely to stumble upon comedians they haven’t seen before through short social media clips, rather than an impromptu night at a comedy club.

“[The audience] feel like, ‘Hey, we came to improv, we came to have fun’ and it’s like, no, you know how long it took me to write these jokes?” Cole said with a laugh. “I don’t need you coming here screaming at me, and then I spend five minutes talking about you and your mom and your kids, and then I forgot what I was doing, and now the tone of the show is messed up.”

The Chicago-born comedian, actor and writer has long juggled multiple projects. This includes writing for “The Tonight Show With Conan O’Brien” and acting in films such as “The Color Purple” and “The Harder They Fall” as well as television shows like “black-ish.” Cole has also taped multiple comedy specials with Netflix over the years including “Cole Hearted” in 2019, “Charleen’s Boy” in 2022, and “Ok, Mister” in 2024. He has also been excited about the launch of his YouTube show “Funny Knowing You” where he gets to interview fellow comics and celebrities as they talk about their life stories.

But as he considers his legacy and comedic craft, Cole said he is proud he is still himself after all of this time in the industry.

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“There’s a lot of people who look in the mirror every morning and go out in the world and become something else, when the thing that’s going to make them rich and successful is in the mirror,” Cole said. “ I think that whoever that person is in the mirror you need to take that person with you and apply that person to everything that you do, and that’s gonna make the difference in your life.”

Now, as part of the Netflix Is a Joke comedy festival, Cole is looking forward to doing a set for Altadena residents to raise money for ongoing relief in the aftermath of the 2025 wildfires that decimated much of the area. The Times spoke with Cole about how he’s thinking about his craft, crowd work and the importance of comedians revealing themselves.

What’s felt different this time in preparation for this particular show compared with your other ones?

This isn’t just a regular comedy show, like at some city, you know, these people really went through something, and they are still devastated by it. And so it’s not just a regular “we’re going to do a show.” We’re trying to raise as much money as possible for this community to help people in need so that’s a big difference. I don’t do that every weekend. It’s a big difference. And then having the people we want to show up and come get down and perform, seeing all of them on the same show, it’s going to be surreal as well.

Cole prioritizes written material and personal storytelling over crowd work, believing audiences should get to know comedians as individuals rather than hearing disconnected jokes.

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How has your preparation changed over the years of you doing stand up compared with when you started?

I’m more confident. You know, back in the day, it might be a 30-60 chance that the joke will work: 30 meaning it will work, 60 that it won’t. And now I’m at a point where I can think of something, and there’s an 85% chance that it will work, there’s a 15% chance that it won’t. So my preparation, as far as thinking of something and then going to execute it, being able to execute it, is another difference. Back in the day I would have to ask for stage time. Now I can think of something and just go to a club and go right up.

What does improving your craft look like at this point in your career?

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Just being more confident in my choice of what is funny and what’s not. I can hear something now and go, that’s funny, and then go, do it, and it becomes funny. So it’s just having confidence to do that and not question myself as much. That’s basically the difference, to be honest with you. Other than that, my drive, my thought pattern, everything is still the same. It’s heightened to the point where I’m paying attention more because I have a lot more free time to to pay attention. It gets to a point where you can pay a lot of people to do a lot of stuff for you, and the more time you got free, the more time you got to think about other things. So I try to pay everybody to do everything so I can go create. And so it’s been good to be in that space, to not worry about a lot of stuff and stay creative. When a lot of people that’s been doing it this long can’t and to still be relevant after all this time, and still be funny and still pack out shows… that means a lot to me.

How do you incorporate crowd work into your shows then?

If something happens while I’m doing my stuff, then fine but I’m not going to create a crowd work environment. If it happens, it happens, but I’m not going to purposely create it. And I mean to each his own that do it. And there’s some people who are very funny at it, and there’s some people that’s like, what are you doing? And for a lot of audience members, I feel like they’re being tricked a lot of times, because a lot of comedians, and I ain’t going to say a lot of comedians, but a few. Not every comic that does crowd work does this. There’s some great crowd work comedians that I really love and admire and respect. But there are some comedians that get up there and they’re doing a meet and greet. It’s downstage, “Hey, what’s your name?,” “What do you do for a living?,” “Hey, so how many kids do you got?,” “So, hey, where do you where you work at?,” “Oh, who are you?” Do that at the meet and greet. What are you standing up here for 45 minutes, getting to know everybody for? Where’s your jokes at? If people like it, you know, what can you do about it? But I’m old school with the craft. I like written comedy. I like storytelling. I like hearing something I never heard before. I like that. That’s just my preference. I don’t like sitting in the audience laughing at somebody’s name or what they do for a living, or who they with. My brain ain’t learning that way.

Do you think that sense of audience participation is coming from people watching social media clips?

I mean people love it, and it’s a younger audience that I think they really love it. Even though older people love it, don’t get me wrong. But the majority, I think, it’s a younger audience. And granted, there’s an audience for that. It really is and have at it. I think everybody should go out there, get their money, do what they do. My personal preference, which I am entitled to have, I think that it’s all about balance, like it is with everything in life. I don’t think you should eat candy all day. I think you should eat some vegetables. I don’t think you should eat vegetables all day. I think you should eat some protein. It’s all about balance. You can give me crowd work, but let’s hear about you. Who are you? What happened to you today? That’s what’s funny. How do you feel about this and that? Can I get that? And then you can go back to your crowd work. But if people keep going up to these shows and they like all the crowd work, and that’s it, me personally, I think you’re not getting your money’s worth when you leave there and you don’t even know if the comic was married, [have] kids, if they’re happy, sad. You just leave there going, “did you hear what he said about the girl in the fourth row?” “Oh, that was hilarious.” “Did you see the guy in the back with the toupe on?” “That was funny.” And it’s like, OK, well, who said that? Who’s the guy that said it? What about him? Do we know anything about him? Is he a racist? Is he a revolutionary? Who said this? Let me know who said this. I’m not just going to laugh at that.

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Why do you think it’s important for a comic to reveal parts of themselves on stage?

That’s what the greats have done. Greats are that way. They have been that way. You get caught up into who these people are. It’s good to hear that. A lot of great comics got sitcoms. Why? Because you can listen to their jokes and see the show, and then they go create the show off of what they were talking about. You can see this. So when you have a comic, it’s a lot of comics that go on stage and they tell jokes, and then they leave, and then you go, who was that person? You can’t even remember the comic’s name. You know what I mean? I just think that you should let people know who you are, because that’s what makes you unique. Can’t just go up and tell joke after joke after joke. Anybody could tell jokes, [but it’s] who’s telling the joke that makes it great.

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