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'It's a dream': Joseph brothers couldn't pass up opportunity to play together with Blues
From Bob, Barclay and Bill Plager to Brian, Rich and Ron Sutter, the St. Louis Blues are no strangers to having brothers on their roster.
In July, they added another family tree to their franchise history, making a trade with the Ottawa Senators for forward Mathieu Joseph, 27, and then signing free-agent defenseman Pierre-Olivier Joseph, 25, his brother.
As with all siblings, they have great reverence for one another, but there’s also the expected rivalry.
Plenty of examples of both popped up when the Joseph brothers sat down with The Athletic for an hour-long Zoom call recently.
You’ll learn a lot more about them, including which numbers they’ll be wearing this season and why. And you’ll also pick up on the fact they can hardly contain their excitement about this opportunity.
So sit back and enjoy our chat with the newest Blues brothers!
Note: The conversation has been edited lightly for length and clarity.
Jeremy: It’s really nice to meet you guys! Thanks for doing this! So where are you? What city? Whose house?
Mathieu: We’re in Brossard (Quebec, Canada). We’ve lived together in the summer for about three years now, and we’ve enjoyed it.
Pierre-Olivier: In the past, we’d only see each other for three months the whole year in the summer, so we were like, “We might as well stay together.” But now, I feel like we’re going to get our own places if we’re going to see each other all the time, haha!
Jeremy: I was going to ask about that. What are your living arrangements going to be like in St. Louis?
Pierre-Olivier: We’re going to live together. We’ve talked to a couple guys about renting their house. I played with Chad Ruhwedel in Pittsburgh and his wife is from St. Louis, so they have a house there, but Kasperi Kapanen is living there now. So no luck so far, but we’ll keep looking.
Jeremy: What have you heard about St. Louis?
Mathieu: I played with Brady Tkachuk in Ottawa and we actually went to his place in St. Louis for dinner last year, so I got to see a little bit of the area. Brady loves going back when he can, and honestly, every guy we’ve been talking to with the Blues loves playing there. I remember my first game in St. Louis. I was impressed with the song the crowd sings in the third period …
Jeremy: Country Roads?
Mathieu: Yeah, that’s it! I thought that was pretty cool the first time I saw it. I can tell the fans love their team, love the organization and love the city, so I’m definitely excited to be part of the community.
Jeremy: OK, Pierre … should I call you Pierre?
Mathieu: Never! Haha! It’s just P.O.
Pierre-Olivier: Actually, I got to the point where I don’t even care anymore.
Jeremy: Well P.O., tell me something good about living with your brother and something annoying.
Pierre-Olivier: Where do I start on the last one? No, it’s been good. He’s someone that I’ve been looking up to for so long. We work out together, we’re on the ice together, we’re on the golf course together. Everything we do is pretty much together. So it’s not really living with my brother, it’s living with my best buddy. He knows me by heart. He knows when to give me some motivation, and he knows when to give me some space.
Mathieu: I do get annoying, though. I talk too much, so sometimes I’ll say something and he doesn’t want to talk. I’ll just give him a face like “I get it.” But no, it’s been so easy. We don’t get on each other’s nerves very often and we share responsibility very well in the house. He’s a great cook!
Jeremy: P.O., what do you cook?
Pierre-Olivier: Anything and everything. Honestly, it just depends on what we have in the fridge. My crepes are something that I usually cook for us on Sunday. I do barbecue. Actually, Matt’s been pretty good this summer helping out on the barbecue side of the game.
Mathieu: I’ve been learning barbecue this year …
Pierre-Olivier: It’s nice not to be the only one cooking.
Jeremy: So growing up, did you guys ever play on the same team, and did you ever dream about playing on the same NHL team one day?
Pierre-Olivier: Back then, playing on the same team at any level wasn’t possible because of our ages. So every year, it was just trying to get to the next level.
Mathieu: I remember being mad one year in junior hockey. I was playing with the Saint John Sea Dogs in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League. That was P.O.’s junior hockey draft year, and he was projected to go in the second or third round. He wasn’t taken in the second round, so when the third round rolled around, I’m like, “Saint John is going to pick him up and we’re going to play together.” But Saint John picked someone else, and then in the fifth round, he got picked by Charlottetown. I was super happy for him, but I remember being disappointed that Saint John didn’t draft him. That was the first time where I thought maybe we had a chance to play with one another. But then when we both got drafted in the NHL, we were like, “Wow, that would be cool if we could find a place that we could play together.”
Pierre-Olivier: We were even thinking about the possibility of it happening at the end of our careers in Europe, when we’re 37, 38 years old, haha!
Jeremy: So Mathieu got drafted by the Tampa Bay Lightning in the fourth round of the 2015 NHL Draft, and then won a Stanley Cup in 2021. P.O., what was it like watching that?
Pierre-Olivier: Yeah, it was a little bit of a s— show because of COVID. We were quarantining in Montreal and the next thing you know Mathieu is going into the Stanley Cup Final against Montreal. Tampa was up three games to one and headed back home for Game 5, and our parents couldn’t go because of work. They asked me if I wanted to go and I said, “Yeah!” But I remember there was a tropical storm in Tampa and flights were getting canceled. The only one available was from Montreal to L.A., then L.A. to Orlando (Fla.), and then drive 2 ½ hours to Tampa. I left at 6:30 p.m. and I got to Matt’s place at 10 a.m. the next day. I slept all day long, but then I had the chance to see him win the Cup. I had the chills, and that was a life memory that’s never going away. But at the same time, I was mad at him that he won it right in my face.
Mathieu: Hopefully we win it together one day!
This is pretty awesome. 💙
Mathieu and Pierre-Olivier Joseph are now both members of the @StLouisBlues! pic.twitter.com/gGCsNRPcIj
— NHL (@NHL) July 3, 2024
Jeremy: So Mathieu, P.O. got drafted by the Arizona Coyotes in the first round of the 2017 NHL Draft and then traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2019 in the Phil Kessel deal. How much have you been pulling for him?
Mathieu: I was probably more happy that he got drafted than when I got drafted. When he got to the NHL, I was trying to help him out with some things. With me being a forward and him being a defenseman, it was easy to talk about our game because what a forward sees and what a defenseman sees are different perspectives.
Pierre-Olivier: We got the NHL app a few years ago and we watch each other’s games when we can. But sometimes with the app, the state you’re in doesn’t allow you to watch his game …
Mathieu: Or we’d be playing at the same time. I guess it’ll be easier to watch his games this year, ha! But no, it’s been fun to follow each other’s careers. I’ve had some ups and downs that he’s helped me with, and I’ve helped him, too.
Jeremy: What’s something specific that you helped each other with during your career?
Mathieu: For me, the hardest part of the NHL is that it’s such a routine. It’s the same day every day. So if it’s not going well, it’s the same day that’s not going well. We both are guys that don’t really take life too seriously. We’re here to have fun, but sometimes I get away from that. I’ve had some downs that I felt like I couldn’t get out of and P.O. always has the right words. I always say he’s a really good therapist because all our friends ask him for advice because he’s such a good listener.
Pierre-Olivier: For me, sometimes I’m too careless in what I do, and he knows what I’m capable (of). He’s always there to remind me and push me. It might be lifting a little bit two pounds heavier in the gym that pushes me to be a more competitive person. That’s something I’ve learned a lot from him.
Mathieu: I’ve got to say, too, he’s a very generous guy and thinks about a lot of people before him. In this league, you want to be a good teammate and feel like you’re family. But selfishly, you also have to think a little bit about yourself — how I perform and how I need to be better. Sometimes P.O. forgets about that part, being too unselfish. I tell him, “You’ve got to shoot the puck.” Like I said, you don’t want to bother other teammates.
Pierre-Olivier: But at the same time, it bothers people that I’m not being more selfish.
Mathieu: Exactly! So sometimes I have to remind him, “I know you’re a good guy, but you’ve got to think about how you want to play well.” That’s going to build confidence and help everything else.
Jeremy: So where and when was the first NHL game that you played against each other?
Mathieu: It was in Pittsburgh last year.
Pierre-Olivier: Once the game started, it was Pittsburgh against Ottawa and not us against each other. But I could constantly hear him talking and talking …
Mathieu: He didn’t answer me once …
Pierre-Olivier: Because I know how he is. He’s just trying to get into my head. Playing tennis back when we were 12 years old, it was the same thing — just yapping.
Jeremy: Tell me about the high-sticking penalty in that game. P.O., you hit Mathieu with your stick, but you also got yourself, and you both went to the penalty box. What happened?
Pierre-Olivier: I saw him coming, but when I tried to get out of the way, I hit him in the face and then hit myself. We turned around and the referee saw both of us with our hands in our face. I was bleeding, but I didn’t want the ref to see that because then they would have reviewed it and they would have taken away the penalty on Mathieu. When I went into the penalty box, my towel was completely full of blood, but I had to hide it. He was a little mad.
Mathieu: It was so funny!
Jeremy: The reaction of your parents (Frantzi and France Joseph), who were at the game, was priceless. What did you think when you saw the video?
Pierre-Olivier: It was funny. The camera was perfectly on them at the right moment and it showed their personality. They know it’s part of the game, so as long as we’re not dropping the gloves, they know how competitive we are.
Nothing like mom and dad watching on as the Joseph brothers take high sticking penalties against each other. 😂 pic.twitter.com/UVyqWEjNDU
— Sportsnet (@Sportsnet) January 21, 2023
Jeremy: What’s it been like for your parents to watch you go through this journey together?
Mathieu: It’s been pretty cool. They get asked all the time, “Did you know your two kids were going to play in the NHL?” No, they just wanted us to work as hard as we could.
Pierre-Olivier: I remember they sat us down one time and said, “If you guys are going to play at a competitive level, we are ready to help you, but are you ready to do it for yourselves?”
Mathieu: They said, “We’re not going to push you guys to do it. But if you’re giving us 50 percent, then we’re not going to do that. We’re not going to spend that much money on it. You’re wasting time, and we would like for you to do something else.” I remember my mom asking P.O. when he got drafted to the NHL, “Do you still like hockey?” I’m like, “He just got drafted 23rd overall!”
Pierre-Olivier: I’m like, “Yeah, I’m pretty sure I like it.”
Jeremy: So Mathieu, you were traded to the Blues on July 2, and then P.O. signed with the team on July 3. How did all of this go down behind the scenes?
Pierre-Olivier: I started talking to different teams on July 1 and St. Louis was one of them. Then on July 2, we were sitting on the couch watching tennis on TV and Matt got a text from Ottawa telling him to call them.
Mathieu: I knew I was getting traded way before then, though.
Pierre-Olivier: But he didn’t know it was going to be St. Louis. So he’s got the phone on speaker and they tell him it’s the Blues. Well, he knew I was talking to St. Louis, too, so he gave me a little wink. So I talked to my agent and told him that it would be special playing with Mathieu and whatever offer was on the table from the Blues, I would just take it. My agent asked me about pushing it a little bit, but I told him that the chance I had was not going to happen often. So in a matter of 30 seconds, I was with Pittsburgh and he was with Ottawa, and the next thing you know we’re both in St. Louis.
Mathieu: We gave each other a big hug! Then we called our parents and said, “Sit down together, we’ve got something to tell you!” My dad was super happy, and my mom had a little bit of tears, knowing they won’t have two opposite jerseys now.
Jeremy: So what was that like, Mathieu, knowing that P.O. picked the Blues to make it happen?
Mathieu: To even know there was a possibility, I was so excited. I was pinching myself, like, “Oh my gosh, this is actually happening.”
Pierre-Olivier: Last week, the Blues sent us some new gear. We had two practices that day, and it was cool when we put both of our bags in the trunk and they were both “St. Louis Blues.” We love the colors already, and it’s fun to see Mathieu in the same logo as me.
The Blues have signed Pierre-Olivier Joseph to a one-year contract. #stlblues
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— St. Louis Blues (@StLouisBlues) July 3, 2024
Mathieu: No one knows yet, but we’ve actually picked our numbers.
Jeremy: Can we break some news here?
Mathieu: Of course! Our family number is No. 7 because our dad wore No. 7 his entire life. So I picked 71.
Pierre-Olivier: I went with the double seven, No. 77.
Jeremy: Nice! When you get your last name stitched on the back of both jerseys, are you going to get “Joseph” or your first initial and Joseph?
Mathieu: That’s a good question! He’s saying, “Are you going to have M. Joseph and P.O. Joseph?” When there’s two names that are the same on the team, you have the option. Like the Sedins wore “H. Sedin” and “D. Sedin.”
Pierre-Olivier: That’s true! I didn’t even think about that.
(Editor’s note: After this interview, the Blues announced that the brothers will both wear just “Joseph” on their jerseys this season.
Jeremy: OK, I want to tell Blues fans what kind of players they’re getting in you guys. P.O., tell me about Mathieu, and vice versa.
Pierre-Olivier: They’re getting a fast skater, a competitive player, a guy who loves to play defensively, but I know he’s talented enough to put points on the board. But mainly a guy, they’re getting someone who plays with passion and plays for his teammates. He has a lot of character and that definitely helps the people around him work harder and become better players.
Mathieu: One of his biggest assets, his hockey IQ, is above average. He has good instinct offensively, and when he has confidence, he’s extremely fast and super dangerous on the ice. He’s an extremely smart player and how he outsmarts the opponent was annoying when I was playing against him. He’s also been very well-liked everywhere he’s been, and he brings tons of positivity around the room.
Jeremy: So when I’m watching practice and there’s an intense battle in the corner, am I going to know right away who it is without looking at the numbers?
Mathieu: 100 percent!
Pierre-Olivier: If we’re on different teams in camp, it’s going to be a compete level that’s as high as possible. It’s been that way since I was born. It’s going to be a continuation of pushing each other on and off the ice.
Mathieu: I’m so excited to have someone work with me on my game before and after practice. To be able to do it with my brother, it’s going to help each other for sure.
Jeremy: Does it seem real yet?
Pierre-Olivier: It’s a dream! I don’t think we’ll really comprehend it until we’re on the same ice together and being in front of the fans in St. Louis.
Mathieu: Hopefully we can help the Blues be a competitive team with our performance and our personalities. I told my dad, “Hopefully we can have a good season and enjoy it in St. Louis and play a couple of years there!”
(Photo of Mathieu Joseph with the Senators and Pierre-Olivier Joseph with the Penguins in January 2023: Joe Sargent / NHLI via Getty Images)
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Ray Lewis wants FAU head-coaching job, but Charlie Weis Jr. still the frontrunner: Sources
FAU football, which rose to national relevance under Lane Kiffin, has backslid over the last five seasons under Willie Taggart and the recently fired Tom Herman. The Owls’ new coaching search, though, might be the most interesting one of this year’s coaching carousel.
And it got a little more interesting this week, as Miami great Ray Lewis has made it known that he really wants to be the Owls’ next coach, a source briefed on Lewis’ thinking said Wednesday.
The 49-year-old Lewis, a 13-time Pro Bowl linebacker, has observed the model of what Deion Sanders has done transforming Colorado football in the past two years and is expected to present a plan to the Owls’ leadership in the next week for how he’d do something similar at FAU.
Lewis’ old buddy, fellow Pro Football Hall of Famer Cris Carter, is the Owls’ executive director of player engagement and is expected to be a good resource for Lewis. A big hurdle for Lewis is, unlike Sanders, he doesn’t have any previous college coaching experience.
“Ray wants it bad,” the source briefed on Lewis’ thinking said. Lewis lives five minutes from the FAU campus. “He really wants it.”
Lewis, however, is not considered a serious candidate at this point, according to a source involved in the coaching search.
The frontrunner for the FAU vacancy, according to multiple sources involved in the search, is Ole Miss offensive coordinator Charlie Weis Jr. The 31-year-old son of former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis, who lives a half-hour from Boca Raton, is the play caller at a hot Rebels program and runs the nation’s No. 2 offense, putting up 7.58 yards per play.
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The younger Weis was Kiffin’s former offensive coordinator at FAU and knows the program well. He has a lot of support from some key FAU people, according to sources involved in the search. Kiffin has strong influence back at FAU and will push Weis for the job, those sources said. Financially, Weis — who makes $1.65 million at Ole Miss — might have to take a pay cut to go back to FAU but a source briefed on the matter said he doubted that would stop Weis from wanting this job.
Other expected candidates for the FAU job
Georgia Tech offensive coordinator Buster Faulkner might make more sense for the Owls. The 43-year-old helped turn Tech from the ACC’s No. 11 offense to No. 3 last year. In 2022, the year before he was hired in Atlanta, Georgia Tech ranked last in the ACC in red zone offense. His offense is No. 2 in the ACC in red zone TD percentage.
Penn State assistant head coach/co-OC Ja’Juan Seider is a well-regarded coach with deep local ties and is expected to get some consideration. The 47-year-old Belle Glade, Fla., product was a star quarterback at Florida A&M and is well-connected around South Florida. Players really respond to him. He also has been a key assistant in Happy Valley, at Marshall and West Virginia.
UCF offensive coordinator Tim Harris Jr. has spent his whole coaching career in the state. He was a four-time NCAA All-American in track at Miami and then spent five years as a successful high school coach in South Florida at Miami’s Booker T. Washington High before spending seven seasons at FIU. Since then, he’s coached at Miami and UCF, where he has produced the Big 12’s most prolific offense at 6.76 yards per play.
UNLV offensive coordinator Brennan Marion, a former Miami Dolphins wideout who lived in Boynton Beach, not far from the Owls’ campus, might be an intriguing option. He has proven to be a terrific offensive coordinator in two stops at the FCS level before an excellent two-season run of transforming the Rebels into a winning program. Last year he led the Rebels to No. 6 in the country in third down offense and No. 8 in red zone offense despite his starting QB going down early and having to turn to an unproven freshman in Jayden Maiava, who went on to win Mountain West Freshman of the Year honors. This year, the Rebels, with Maiava having left for USC, are No. 6 in the nation in scoring at 39.9 points per game.
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FSU defensive backs coach Pat Surtain could be in play at his alma mater Southern Miss, but he also has strong ties here. He played a decade in the NFL before becoming a top high school coach in South Florida. The 48-year-old spent one season with the Miami Dolphins as an NFL assistant before joining FSU’s staff in 2023.
Georgia assistant head coach Todd Hartley, 39, spent three years coaching in South Florida on the Canes’ staff. He is someone Kirby Smart has leaned on in elevating the program since Hartley’s return to Athens in 2019. Southern Miss also has a lot of interest in Hartley for its head coaching vacancy.
Duke defensive coordinator Jonathan Patke, a Manny Diaz protege who was on the staff at Miami, is a rising star at defensive coordinator. He’s had a strong debut season in Durham and also could be in play.
Miami defensive ends coach Jason Taylor. The Pro Football Hall of Famer, who had been a high school assistant for five seasons at powerhouse St. Thomas Aquinas, is a legendary figure around South Florida. In 2007, Taylor won the NFL’s prestigious Walter Payton Man of the Year honors and has been an excellent addition to the Canes staff the past two seasons.
— Chris Vannini contributed to this report
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Will NBA expansion bring the SuperSonics back to Seattle? ‘There’s just too much karma’
SEATTLE — When the SuperSonics left here in 2008, Brent Barry felt it in his gut. There was an emptiness, a sadness so pronounced that he was moved to put pen to paper.
At the time, Barry was preparing for training camp with the San Antonio Spurs, but part of his heart was still in Seattle, a bond forged through his five seasons as a wing with the Sonics. Now the team was no more thanks to an abrupt transaction that uprooted the franchise to Oklahoma City.
Barry’s mind was numbed with a blur of memories he captured in his poem, “When It Rains.”
“… and here I sit in my office space and think of my career
And what to say to my two sons, did the team just disappear?
I played in KeyArena, I live on Queen Anne Hill
I played pinball at Shorty’s after games, and ate burgers at both Red Mills
I would have some chowder down at Dukes, and watch Sea Planes take their flight
And find myself in Fremont if I needed a beer that night
I saw Star Wars at Cinerama, tossed a pitch at Safeco Field,
Drove all the way to Bellingham to see Pearl Jam and Yield …”
Sixteen years later, a collection of Sonics jerseys extends wall-to-wall inside the Simply Seattle store downtown. From Detlef Schrempf to Gary Payton to Ray Allen to Kevin Durant, the jerseys of Sonics legends are still a hot commodity.
“We get people from New Zealand, London, from all over,” store manager Kate Wansley said. “The Sonics are a big thing, and now everyone is excited about what could happen.”
What could happen has many in this Northwest metropolis tense with anticipation. In September, NBA commissioner Adam Silver said the league would address NBA expansion at some point this season, which prompted an already simmering movement in Seattle to bubble over.
Since 2008, Seattle has been waiting, expecting a franchise to return. And now, with overtures of the NBA’s first expansion since 2004, there is an overriding sentiment that Seattle is due.
“There’s just too much karma that says put a team back in Seattle,” says George Karl, who coached the Sonics from 1992-98, leading them to an NBA Finals appearance in 1996. “I don’t know more than anybody else, but my feeling is … that it can happen. It should happen.”
Karl is sipping iced tea and soaking in a picturesque view of Seattle’s Elliott Bay on a sun-splashed Thursday. He lives in Denver but is in town to help promote, support and encourage Seattle’s candidacy should Silver and the NBA Board of Governors decide to proceed with expansion.
As the Seahawks played host to the San Francisco 49ers at Lumen Field, Karl and former Sonics players Dale Ellis and Rashard Lewis attended a social event on the 75th floor of the Columbia Tower that included Seattle mayor Bruce Harrell, Seattle Sports Commission president and CEO Beth Knox and several business leaders.
“It’s a lot of anticipation; I feel like we are hanging on the edge of our seats, waiting,” Knox said. “We are ready.”
The event was important enough for Harrell that he postponed plans for his 66th birthday (he was quick to note he shared his birthday with Sonics legend Gus Williams) so he could spread what he calls “the buzz” about Seattle’s viability for expansion.
“We need to make sure the decision-makers — the NBA commissioner, the administration and co-owners — realize this is a very attractive market, and we have the fan base,” Harrell said. “They sort of know it, but this was 2008 when we lost the team, and we have a whole new generation of people in town, so we need to assure them we have that kind of spirit.”
In September, Silver tempered expectations when he said the league “is not quite ready” to discuss expansion before adding that eventually it will be broached. “What we’ve told interested parties is: ‘Thank you for your interest, we will get back to you,’ ” Silver said. “That’s certainly the case in Seattle.”
Still, hopes haven’t been this high here since 2013, when a bid to relocate the Sacramento Kings to Seattle reached a vote of NBA governors but was turned down 22-8 after Sacramento came up with new ownership.
Ellis, who played for seven NBA teams, said the city’s diversity, food and fan base kept him in Seattle for 20 years after his career ended. The 41-year history of the franchise, which includes the 1979 NBA title, is why he believes so passionately that the league should return. It’s why he flew to Seattle to support Thursday’s movement, a movement that he says stands more than a chance of landing a return of the Sonics.
“Chance? No, it’s going to happen. It’s going to happen,” Ellis said. “They just haven’t made the announcement yet. There will be two franchises, one here in Seattle, and one in Las Vegas.”
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Like so many former Sonics players and coaches, Barry felt he didn’t just play in Seattle, he felt he was part of Seattle. So losing the Sonics felt like losing part of himself.
It is that player-community connection that has made this movement to revive the Sonics unique. Other cities have lost NBA franchises — Vancouver, San Diego, Kansas City — but none have had former players and coaches campaigning for a return like Seattle.
Lewis, who played his first nine NBA seasons with the Sonics, flew into Seattle from Houston motivated by two factors: the history and the fans.
“Seattle has a part of me; I became a man here,” Lewis said. “And the fans … I still remember Big Lo (super fan Lorin Sandretzky), and fans pulling up to the airport when we arrived. There’s history, so much history here, and that’s why they have to have a team here.”
The 1990s in particular were a magical time for Seattle. Microsoft was booming. Bands from Seattle — Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden — were leading the grunge explosion. “Singles” and “Sleepless in Seattle” hit movie screens. Ken Griffey Jr. was a superstar. And Payton, Kemp and the fiery Karl were headlining SportsCenter highlights.
“It all had this mystical essence to it,” Barry said. “Because nobody wanted to go to the Pacific Northwest. It was so far away, the weather was bad … but there was a lot of cool stuff happening in and around that place. So it had this mystical quality to it.”
Added Karl: “The city was blossoming, the music was blossoming, the city was growing, the Mariners were good … everything was just in rhythm. There was a rhythm that Seattle was cool. Pearl Jam, Starbucks, (Microsoft’s Steve) Ballmer … and (the Sonics) were good.
“Unfortunately, Michael (Jordan) was in the league.”
The electricity between the Sonics and the Seattle scene made for lasting bonds. For fans and the players.
“Spilling out from KeyArena after a game meant that you were in the bloodstream of the city,” said Barry, now an assistant coach with Phoenix. “You got out of the arena and you could walk across the street to Lazy J’s (Jalisco’s) and do karaoke with a bunch of fans who were just at the game. You could go to First Street and hop into a steakhouse and have a meal with fans who just left the game.
“To lose all that … it was a gut punch to a city that loved basketball, loved its team and had a relationship with the team that was unique.”
Portland Trail Blazers play-by-play announcer Kevin Calabro, who announced Sonics games for 22 years, said fans still ask him regularly if and when the Sonics will return, which is attributed to the connection formed during those memorable years in the 1990s.
“You had this great amalgam of cutting-edge technology with the internet coming to life and this great music scene and the Sonics bursting at the seams,” Calabro said. “And it all came together on winter nights at The Barn, as we used to call KeyArena. Jeff Ament (Pearl Jam bassist) was down in the baseline seats all the time, Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam singer) was around, Screaming Trees … all these bands would show up.
“And when George Karl took over, it just lit a fire. There were so many great characters … and they were all involved with the community. You could feel them, touch them, see them at the clubs, hang with them. It was special.”
Wansley, the store manager who hangs the Sonics jerseys from wall to wall, is a lifelong Seattle resident. She said her deepest bonds are with the Sonics because she experienced them in everyday life. She saw Nate McMillan and Sam Perkins at Bellevue Square, Kemp and Gary in the store, Dana Barros here, Schrempf there.
“It was something that just connects you to them,” Wansley said. “You would go to the game, then see them out … and I don’t know how it is in other cities, but they were just out in the community so much. It would be like, ‘Hey, I just saw you play …’ ”
Seattle has been down this road of anticipation before. The 2013 bid to relocate the Kings to Seattle was so close to happening — and so ugly in its particulars — that its downfall left some scars.
But the overall sentiment today is that Seattle is well positioned, if not a leader when expansion becomes a reality. Much of the optimism stems from Climate Pledge Arena, the refurbished KeyArena, which now houses the NHL’s Seattle Kraken.
“There literally hasn’t been a week where I haven’t been asked about the Sonics or the NBA or how we got screwed,” said Bob Whitsitt, who was president and general manager of the Sonics from 1986-94. “And for years, I said to them — right or wrong — that Seattle was not in a position to even be considered for a team until they have an NBA-ready facility.
“And that giant hurdle has now been cleared with Climate Pledge Arena. As a city, we know we have a facility that works. That doesn’t guarantee you a team, but you can be guaranteed not to get a team by not having a facility. So, the biggest thing has been taken off the board.”
Whitsitt still lives in Seattle and said he is encouraged by a potential ownership group led by Kraken owners David Bonderman and his daughter, Samantha Holloway. Bonderman also is a minority owner of the Boston Celtics.
“My support is behind them,” Whitsitt said. “They are the right ones. They are the perfect people to lead the thing. And the Seattle market is not only great, it is ready.”
Last month, more than 18,000 sold out the LA Clippers and Trail Blazers exhibition game at Climate Pledge Arena, which more than caught the eye of coaches Chauncey Billups of the Blazers and Tyronn Lue of the Clippers.
“I mean, everybody talks about it,” Billups said. “This is obviously a desired city, a market that people love … it makes the most sense. It’s already been very successful, the market has, so it makes a lot of sense. We just have to wait on it.”
Added Lue: “It’s a great environment, a great place to play … they’ve done a great job with this arena.”
Brian Robinson, a Seattle real estate investor, heads Seattle NBA Fans, the group that hosted the event with Karl, Lewis, Ellis and the mayor. He has 250 community leaders and 50 CEOs behind his movement. He also headed a 2010 group that tried to find an arena solution to lure the Sonics back. He said then, it was difficult to get business leaders and companies behind him.
“Now, no one ever says no,” said Robinson, 51. “People see the change in tone from the commissioner and they see a path. Everyone wants to be a part of it. I just feel like the people of Seattle are over the negativity and they are ready to have this journey be something meaningful.”
Mayor Harrell and Knox, the CEO of the Seattle Sports Commission, are envisioning a future where Sonics players become role models and inspire youth to not only participate in basketball, but dream. Seattle has a long history of producing NBA talent, including Brandon Roy, Jason Terry, Jamal Crawford, Paolo Banchero and Dejounte Murray. Barry thinks the Sonics can help inspire others.
“How do you dream bigger if you don’t see it in front of you?” Barry asked. “I was thinking if I never went to Golden State games as a kid to watch Chris Mullin, Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond, how much of my devotion and love of the game would have been depleted by not having the touch, the autograph, the memories? The impact can’t be overstated.
“There’s almost 20 years of kids in Seattle who never saw one game in their city of LeBron James, one of the greatest players who ever played. Twenty years of kids, and parents for that matter, who haven’t had that community, that environment, that experience. It hurts.”
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Last month, Barry thought back to the day when he penned the “When It Rains” poem. He rifled through his files and found it.
“Even reading it again, I was like, ‘Man, I still feel this way. It sucks,” Barry said. “I was sad. Legitimately sad. But right now, I don’t think there has ever been more sentiment or momentum than right now. And I hope it’s not another carrot in front of the rabbit situation. I hope this momentum is true and honest and there is potential for the green and gold to be back there.”
It was the same thought he had 16 years ago, in San Antonio as he closed his poem.
“… A chapter left unwritten, a generation with a gap,
Forty-one years of NBA action and now no one can clap
But here is a silver lining … above every cloud’s a sun
And the possibility is something we hold on to even if slim to none
For faith and hope and love are tenants
Of the days as one grows old
And for all at stake, those clouds will break
And we will see the green and gold.”
(Illustration: Meech Robinson / The Athletic; photos: Steph Chambers, Tim DeFrisco, Otto Greule Jr, Andy Hayt, Jeff Reinking, Terrence Vaccaro / Getty Images)
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NHL player poll: As sports betting increases, so do harassing messages — and Venmo requests
There doesn’t have to be a milestone moment or viral play for an NHL player’s phone to be flooded with notifications in the wake of a game. Maybe there’s a text from a parent, a reminder from a partner, a few messages of congratulations or condolences. Not to mention the usual spate of emails and push alerts that inevitably pile up when you’ve been away from your phone for a few hours.
But these days, as sports betting becomes more and more prevalent in the hockey world, there’s a new app jockeying for space atop players’ home screens.
“I’ve been sent Venmo requests before,” one NHL player surveyed in The Athletic’s player poll said. “Like, ‘Hey, I bet on you guys to win and you blew it. So give me back my 50 bucks.’”
That player said he found it “comical.”
“I think I paid one guy back once,” he said with a laugh. “Sent him like 20 bucks.”
Of course, the Internet being what it is, it’s not always terribly funny. Almost one-third of the 161 players polled said they’ve been getting more harassing messages from fans since sports betting has become legal in more states.
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“Oh, almost every day,” one goaltender said. “Honestly, I’d say 75 percent of them are them being mad about something. ‘How did you let in that late goal? I had the under. Thanks a lot. You f—ing suck.’ Things like that constantly. I feel like, as a goalie, we’re a little bit more exposed to it, too.”
“Together with a couple death threats and a few other things,” another player added.
Perhaps the biggest revelation from The Athletic’s anonymous player poll was how common the Venmo requests are.
“They’re demands, not requests,” one player clarified. “’You owe me $200 because you were on the ice when …’ and it’s insane. It’s really bad when you play against Toronto because it seems like everybody is betting on Leafs games. But that’s Toronto for you.”
Apparently, NHL players need to do a better job of masking their identities on cash apps.
“Yeah, that’s real,” another player said. “When you ruin a guy’s parlay or something? Hundred percent, that’s real. I got one last game where some guy bet on my number of shots or something and then he’s DM’ing me: ‘You f—ed my parlay!’ Pardon my language, but that’s what he said.”
“Yeah, 100 percent,” said another player. “I’ve gotten plenty of them show up in my inbox before. Like I kept them from hitting some parlay or something or, ‘Here’s my Venmo. Send me $100.’”
“Oh, yeah,” one player said. “People on social media are way crazier now because they have more skin in the game. I think that’s for all sports.”
“I get messages all the time, and these are people probably betting $1.50,” said another.
Some such requests are obvious gags. But other messages carry a more sinister tone.
“Not here, but to be honest, mostly in Russia,” one player said. “Like it’s getting crazy. You’re up 2-0 and lose, you get messages, like, ‘You f—ing asshole, I’m gonna f—ing kill you.’”
One player said he gets at least one or two such messages every day from gamblers. But two-thirds of the players who responded said they don’t get any. It could depend on how high-profile a player is. Not a lot of fans are betting on fourth-liners and third-pairing defensemen. As one player joked, “I don’t think I’m the betting favorite.”
Unsurprisingly, many players have done their best to unplug entirely. That also could explain the two-thirds who said they don’t get such messages.
“I used to know that I got harassing messages,” one player said. “Now I don’t know. Who would read these f—ing idiots? I don’t anymore.”
“That’s why I turned everything off,” another said. “You get some scary messages out there.”
Another: “Good thing I’m not on social media.”
Another: “No one can find me, so I don’t know.”
Death threats and profanity-laced tirades aside, sometimes the players feel the bettors’ pain.
“Sometimes they bet on me to score and I don’t and they want me to give them money,” one player said. “I’m like, ‘I want to score, too!’”
(Graphic: Meech Robinson / The Athletic, with photos from Gary A. Vasquez, Katherine Gawlik and Andre Ringuette / Getty Images)
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