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Anthropic CEO says he’s sticking to AI “red lines” despite clash with Pentagon
Hours after a bitter feud between the Pentagon and Anthropic ended with the Trump administration cutting off the artificial intelligence startup, Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei told CBS News in an exclusive interview Friday night he wants to work with the military — but only if it addresses the firm’s concerns.
“We are still interested in working with them as long as it is in line with our red lines,” he said.
The conflict centers on Anthropic’s push for guardrails that explicitly prevent the military from using its powerful Claude AI model to conduct mass surveillance on Americans or to power autonomous weapons. The Pentagon wants the ability to use Claude for “all lawful purposes,” and says it isn’t interested in either of the uses that Anthropic was concerned about.
The military gave Anthropic a Friday evening deadline to either meet its demands or get cut off from its lucrative Defense Department contracts. With the two sides still seemingly still far apart, President Trump on Friday ordered federal agencies to “immediately” stop using Anthropic’s technology. Then, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth declared the company a “supply chain risk,” directing military contractors to also stop working with the AI startup.
In his interview later Friday, Amodei stood by the guardrails sought by Anthropic, which is the only company whose AI model is deployed on the Pentagon’s classified networks.
“Our position is clear. We have these two red lines. We’ve had them from day one. We are still advocating for those red lines. We’re not going to move on those red lines,” Amodei later said. “If we can get to the point with the department where we can see things the same way, then perhaps there could be an agreement. For our part and for the sake of U.S. national security, we continue to want to make this work.”
Amodei told CBS News that Anthropic has sought to deploy its AI models for military use because “we are patriotic Americans” and “we believe in this country.” But the company is worried that some potential uses of AI could clash with American values, he said.
Mass surveillance is a risk, Amodei argued, because “things may become possible with AI that weren’t possible before,” and the technology’s potential is “getting ahead of the law.” He warned that the government could buy data from private firms and use AI to analyze it.
In theory, artificial intelligence could also be used to power fully autonomous weapons that select targets and carry out strikes without any human input. Amodei said his company isn’t categorically opposed to those kinds of weapons, especially if U.S. adversaries develop them, but “the reliability is not there yet” and “we need to have a conversation about oversight.”
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Since AI technology is still unpredictable, Amodei is concerned that autonomous weapons could target the wrong people by mistake. And unlike with human-powered weaponry, it’s not clear who is responsible for the decisions made by fully autonomous weapons.
“We don’t want to sell something that we don’t think is reliable, and we don’t want to sell something that could get our own people killed or that could get innocent people killed,” he said.
Amodei called the guardrails around surveillance and autonomous weapons “narrow exceptions,” and said the company has no evidence that the military has run into either of them.
The Pentagon’s position is that federal law already prevents it from surveilling Americans en masse, and fully autonomous weapons are already restricted by internal military policies, so there is no need to put restrictions on those uses of AI in writing.
Emil Michael, the Pentagon’s chief technology officer, told CBS News in an interview Thursday: “At some level, you have to trust your military to do the right thing.”
“But we do have to be prepared for the future. We do have to be prepared for what China is doing,” Michael said, referring to how U.S. adversaries use AI. “So we’ll never say that we’re not going to be able to defend ourselves in writing to a company.”
As a compromise, Michael said the military had offered written acknowledgements of the federal laws and military policies that restrict mass surveillance and autonomous weapons — though Anthropic said that offer was “paired with legalese” that allowed the guardrails to be ignored.
As the conflict between Anthropic and the Pentagon escalated this week, top military officials accused the company and Amodei of trying to impose their values onto the government. Hegseth called Anthropic “sanctimonious” and arrogant, Michael said that Amodei has a “God-complex” and Mr. Trump called the AI startup a “radical left, woke company.”
“Their true objective is unmistakable: to seize veto power over the operational decisions of the United States military. That is unacceptable,” Hegseth alleged.
Said Mr. Trump: “Their selfishness is putting AMERICAN LIVES at risk, our Troops in danger, and our National Security in JEOPARDY.”
Asked if weighty questions about AI guardrails should be left up to Anthropic rather than the government, Amodei told CBS News that “one of the things about a free market and free enterprise is, different folks can provide different products under different principles.”
He also said: “I think we are a good judge of what our models can do reliably and what they cannot do reliably.”
In the long run, he said, Congress should probably weigh in on AI safeguards.
“But Congress is not the fastest moving body in the world. And for right now, we are the ones who see this technology on the front line,” said Amodei.
With Anthropic and the Pentagon unable to reach a deal by Friday, the military is now expected to phase out its use of Anthropic’s AI technology within six months and transition to what Hegseth called “a better and more patriotic service.”
Hegseth also labeled Anthropic a “supply chain risk” and said all companies that do business with the military are now expected to cut off “any commercial activity with Anthropic.”
Amodei called that an “unprecedented” move for an American firm rather than a foreign adversary, and he said the government’s statements have been “retaliatory and punitive.” And he argued that Hegseth doesn’t have the legal authority to bar all military contractors from working with Anthropic, and can only stop them from using Anthropic for government contracts.
He also said that Anthropic hasn’t formally received any information from the Pentagon informing it of a supply chain risk designation, but “when we receive some kind of formal action, we will look at it, we will understand it and we will challenge it in court.”
Asked if he has a message for the president, Amodei said “everything we have done has been for the sake of this country” and “for the sake of supporting U.S. national security.”
“Disagreeing with the government is the most American thing in the world,” he said. “And we are patriots. In everything we have done here, we have stood up for the values of this country.”
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War with Iran disrupts fertilizer exports as U.S. farmers prepare for planting season
Matt Ubel, standing on his farm near Wheaton, Kansas, motions to the fertilizer spreader he’ll use to spread urea fertilizer this spring.
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Spring planting season is starting across the northern hemisphere. But before seeds go into the ground, nutrients go into the soil. Typically nitrogen fertilizer.
“Right now, we’re kind of … we’ll be in the thick of it,” farmer Matt Ubel said from the cab of his huge green fertilizer spreader near Wheaton, Kansas. “Lot of nitrogen gets put on in the spring.”

The high cost of fertilizer and other farming necessities pushed many row crop farmers into the red last year. Ubel says some were holding out for lower prices this spring, only to see the price of the most common nitrogen fertilizer, urea, spike close to 30% when Iran shut down shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, halting close to half the world’s fertilizer trade.
“This probably threw some guys for a loop,” said Ubel.
The Persian Gulf, nitrogen fertilizer hub of the world
Farmers in rural Kansas, and across the world, are feeling the unexpected consequences of the war in the Persian Gulf because closing the Strait of Hormuz has bottled up almost 50% of the world’s urea exports.
Every plant needs nitrogen to grow. The best source of nitrogen is natural gas, and the Gulf states are sitting on the world’s largest gas reserve.
“If you had sat us down before and said, ‘Hey, I want you to think of the nightmare scenario for fertilizer. What would it be?’ It would be this exact event during this exact time of year,” said Josh Linville, who oversees the global fertilizer department at the brokerage firm StoneX.
Linville says urea that had been expected to arrive in the United States next month, in the peak of planting season, won’t come.
The Fertilizer Institute predicts that U.S. farmers will be short some 2,000,000 tons of urea this spring.


The United States is currently the world’s top natural gas producer, which supports a robust domestic fertilizer industry. Still, U.S. companies import about 18% of the nitrogen fertilizer sold in this country, drawing heavily on imports to cover the spring planting surge.
Other countries are much more dependent on petrochemical imports. Liquefied Natural Gas imports from the Persian Gulf fuel urea production in some of the top-producing countries. Or it did.
“Countries like India, the second biggest urea producer in the world, their production rates are starting to fall. Pakistan, China, all of these major producing countries are struggling to get these gas supplies,” says Linville. “And all of a sudden, they’re having to say, well, we’ve only got so much. We need to lower our fertilizer production to put into some of these other industries.”
And natural gas isn’t the only problem. About half the world’s sulfur exports were shipped out of the Strait of Hormuz.
For instance, sulfur is an important plant nutrient on its own, but it’s also a critical ingredient in phosphate fertilizer.
“We do produce a lot of phosphate fertilizers here in the U.S., but if we can’t get sulfur, we can’t produce phosphate fertilizers,” said Veronica Nigh, chief economist at the Fertilizer Institute. “And so, it’s kind of a twofer there.”
No easy answers
Federal lawmakers are trying to help.. Bipartisan Senate legislation aims to lower fertilizer costs by requiring more transparent pricing.
The Trump Administration is lifting barriers to fertilizer imports from Venezuela and Morocco.
“They’re trying to pull a number of levers,” said Nigh. “I think that it’s the acknowledgement that there aren’t a lot of easy answers to this problem.”
There’s very little slack in the fertilizer supply chain. The product doesn’t store well, some of it is prone to blowing up, some if it gets clumpy and hard to use with the slightest moisture. According to Nigh, fertilizer plants tend to operate at capacity and take years to construct. Iran was a top urea producer and exporter before the war. It’s unclear when or if that capacity will come back online.
The gas fields in Iran and Qatar are the world’s largest natural gas reserves. They supplied fertilizer production in India, normally the world’s second-largest nitrogen fertilizer producer. But, those fields have been severely damaged in the war.

Even after the Strait of Hormuz reopens, it will likely take months to straighten out the fertilizer supply chain.
“How long does it take until we get back to normal? It could be a while,” Nigh said.
Meantime, American farmers may have to make hard choices at planting time. Corn, for instance, needs a lot of nitrogen to thrive. Soybeans need less, so U.S. farmers may grow less corn and more soybeans. Farmers who can’t source fertilizer may even skip a year.
“Think watermelons and cantaloupe and things along those lines in Texas, those don’t get planted,” said Nigh, “Or pumpkins in Indiana.”
On the one hand, less fertilizer use could be good for the environment. Fertilizer runoff pollutes water sources and fuels toxic algae blooms.
But the fertilizer shock triggered by the attack on Iran will invariably mean that people around the world have less to eat. And that could be an acute problem in vulnerable countries, especially those dependent on Persian Gulf oil for fertilizer.
“What our product is used for, is food, is the production of food,” Nigh said. “So the consequences aren’t going to be immediate, but they could be substantial.
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LaGuardia Crash Timeline: Moments Before Air Canada Plane Collided With Fire Truck
On Tuesday, the National Transportation Safety Board provided new details of the final minutes before an Air Canada jet collided with a fire truck at LaGuardia Airport in New York.
The timeline from federal investigators and air traffic audio reviewed by The New York Times both suggest that the controllers may have been distracted before the crash, which killed the plane’s two pilots and left dozens injured late Sunday.
Here are critical moments leading up to the deadliest collision at the airport in more than three decades:
Several minutes before crash
A United Airlines flight requests assistance
Air traffic controllers were responding to an emergency with United Airlines Flight 2384 several minutes before the crash, posing a possible distraction to air traffic controllers.
After being on the tarmac for over two hours, the United flight, bound for Chicago, had aborted its first takeoff attempt at 10:40 p.m. Passengers were told the plane had “a transient issue,” according to a passenger who requested anonymity in order to protect her privacy.
The pilots made a second attempt at takeoff about 40 minutes later and aborted again.
At 11:31 p.m., United flight had declared an emergency and requested a gate assignment, according to air traffic control audio reviewed by The Times. An odor on the plane had sickened members of the flight crew.
Four minutes later, the plane was assigned a gate and told to wait for emergency responders.
1-3 minutes before crash
Air Canada flight cleared to land
Air Canada Express Flight 8486 was set to land at LaGuardia Airport when the approach controller, who manages flights as they near the airport, ordered the airplane to contact the control tower, National Transportation Safety Board officials said on Tuesday.
The flight crew began lowering the landing gear. The plane was cleared to land on Runway 4 and advised that it was No. 2 for landing, said Doug Brazy, a senior aviation accident investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board.
One minute and 26 seconds before the crash, an electronic callout indicated that the plane was 1,000 feet from the ground.
A passenger told The Times that a flight attendant warned the passengers to leave any luggage behind if the plane made an emergency landing. It’s unclear why this warning was made.
20-28 seconds before crash
Fire truck cleared to cross runway
Around 11:37 p.m., or 25 seconds before the crash, “Truck 1” made a request to cross Runway 4 at Taxiway D, the same runway that the Air Canada jet was set to land on. The request was made to respond to the emergency with the United Airlines plane.
Five seconds later, the truck, which later crashed with the jet, was cleared to enter the runway, officials said. An air traffic controller quickly responded: “Truck 1 and company, cross 4 at Delta.”
12-17 seconds before crash
Fire truck approaches runway as Air Canada jet is landing
The officers aboard “Truck 1” read back the runway clearance. That’s a mandatory practice to ensure that the message was received correctly, and to verify that both the air traffic controllers and the recipient of the information understood the instructions.
Five seconds later, the plane was 30 feet above the ground, and the tower instructed a Frontier Airlines aircraft to hold its position.
Air Canada flight and fire truck collide
LaGuardia Airport has a “Runway Status Lights” system that includes red runway entrance lights at taxiway and runway crossings. The lights, which are set in the pavement, activate automatically when high-speed traffic is on the runway or approaching it.
While there is speculation about whether the fire truck ran a red runway status light, a Times analysis of the crash footage suggests the lights on Runway 4 appeared to be functioning properly when the fire truck entered the runway.
By design, the lights can go dark a couple of seconds before a landing or taking-off plane passes the intersection. The truck may have entered the runway in that brief window. What remains unknown is whether the crew members heard the controller’s instruction to stop, and, if so, why they proceeded regardless. The lights do not replace clearances given by the air traffic controllers.
Nine seconds before the collision, an air traffic controller instructed “Truck 1” to stop. There were other vehicles behind the fire truck that did not proceed to the runway.
“Stop, stop, stop, stop, Truck 1, stop, stop, stop,” the controller said. Sounds consistent with the plane’s landing gear slamming against the pavement could be heard in the audio from the cockpit voice recorder.
Four seconds before the regional jet plowed into the fire truck, the controller again said, “Stop, Truck 1, stop!”
Investigators have not determined whether the operators of the fire truck heard orders to stop before colliding with the Air Canada flight.
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