When Gustavo Dudamel instructs the Los Angeles Philharmonic to stand at a curtain call, the players stand. He motions, sit; they sit.
Sunday afternoon, they wouldn’t stand. Again and again, they stubbornly refused. With an encouraging smile, Dudamel took the concertmaster’s arm, gently lifting him to his feet, but he sat back down when no one in the orchestra followed. Dudamel never looks nonplussed. He looked dumbfounded.
This was Dudamel’s moment, his last concert at Walt Disney Concert Hall as L.A. Phil’s music and artistic director. Those who were standing comprised the capacity audience, their cheers deafening. The orchestra lustily applauded like everyone else.
It turns out that Dudamel is both adept at saying goodbye and just as good at not meaning it. Eras don’t end for him so much as become transition points. There was reportedly Champagne flowing in the dressing room after Sunday’s matinee, but the L.A. Phil needs to buy its bubbly in bulk. Dudamel’s contract continues through the summer, and the orchestra will still see plenty of him. In August he takes the L.A. Phil on tour to the Proms in London and the Edinburgh International Festival in advance of four big nights at the Hollywood Bowl.
Gustavo Dudamel receives a standing ovation Sunday in his final concert in Disney Hall as L.A. Phil music director.
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Dudamel then returns to Disney in December to conduct the L.A. Phil, though with three lofty new titles to his name: Oscar L. Tang and H.M. Agnes Hsu-Tang music and artistic director of the New York Philharmonic, L.A. Phil Diane and M. David Paul artistic and cultural laureate and Michael Eisner founding director and conductor laureate of Youth Orchestra Los Angeles (YOLA). He’s going to need new business cards the size of an iPhone Pro Max to fit all that in.
But the effort to get his orchestra on its feet was not an idle gesture. Dudamel’s Disney “finale,” however momentous, lacked nearly all the trappings of pomp. In a Thursday night marathon, he paid tribute to the orchestra members, giving 17 players solos in various concerto movements. The one bit of unavoidable pomp was Dudamel conducting the premiere of John Williams’ “Bravo Gustavo,” commissioned by the L.A. Phil and featuring four solo trumpets — Thomas Hooten, Christopher Still, Jeffrey Strong and James Witt — in a joyous, triumphant celebration of what has become a close friendship by the master of cinematic joyous triumph.
The program itself was a potpourri of surprise, given what some of the players came up with. The long list of 11 mostly rarities featured 13 soloists. It began with a madcap movement from a bassoon concerto by Rossini (with Whitney Crockett as deadpan soloist). Among other curiosities were Matthew Howard and Joseph Pereira cheerfully pulverizing Philip Glass’ Fantasy Concerto for Two Timpanists and Orchestra, as well as Boris Allakhverdyan suavely ghosting jazz legend Artie Shaw in his Clarinet Concerto. There were too many to list and it’s too bad because this became a one-of-a-kind showcase of orchestral versatility, which ended with the premiere of another new Dudamelian orchestral tribute, Gabriela Ortiz’s “Mujer Arena.”
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Patrons clap for Gustavo Dudamel as he conducts his final concert Sunday in Disney Hall.
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The final subscription weekend concerts featured two large-scale works for the orchestra and an indispensable Los Angeles Master Chorale. John Adams’ “Harmonium” operates on questioning, shifting moods of introspection, humility and awe. In Venezuela composer Antonio Estévez’s “Cantata Criolla,” a song contest between a macho Venezuelan troubadour and the devil leads to the spiritual ecstasy of exorcism.
When Dudamel signed his contract to be music director of the L.A. Phil, he said his first priority was to conduct “Cantata Criolla.” He did so in his first season to help inaugurate a new festival he called “America and the Americans.” That festival idea formally and informally has been a thread throughout Dudamel’s 17 L.A. Phil seasons, at Disney and the Hollywood Bowl and YOLA, as well as on tours to Europe, Asia and Latin America.
There was also surely symbolism in beginning this Disney occasion with a work by Adams. Dudamel’s first Disney concert as music director opened with the premiere of Adams’ “City Noir,” the composer having just been appointed the orchestra’s creative consultant and a composer to whom Dudamel has become deeply committed over the years. His first concert at Lincoln Center as music director of the New York Philharmonic in September will open with Adams’ “On the Transmigration of Souls,” in commemoration of the 25th anniversary of 9/11.
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Written in 1980, Adam’s score “Harmonium” is ethereal and heavy in the choral settings of unsettling poems by John Donne (“Negative Love”) and Emily Dickinson (“Because I Could Not Stop for Death” and “Wild Nights”). Adams does not stop for meaning, his early minimalist style causing the words to flow over you whether in somber reflection or the wildness of wild nights that do, indeed, stop for death.
Dudamel first conducted it at the Hollywood Bowl, where it washed over the amphitheater like a mist. In the immediacy of Disney, it sunk in as wondrous reflection on Donne’s line: “Though I speed not, I cannot miss.”
Estévez’ “Cantata Criolla” is a Venezuelan classic from 1954 but little known outside the country, despite having been championed by Aaron Copland as part of his Pan-American musical advocacy. The lushly poetic text by Alberto Arvelo Torrealba happens to have been written by the grandfather of one of Dudamel’s closest collaborators, film and theater director Alberto Alvero, who directed the L.A. Phil “Die Walküre” last month.
Dudamel’s 2010 performance of Cantata Criolla” was a theatrical event devised by Arvelo that included staging and a film and an introductory reading of a text by screenwriter Guillermo Arriaga, “América,” read by actors Helen Hunt, Edgar Ramirez and Erich Wildpret.
Members of YOLA (Youth Orchestra Los Angeles) perform during Gustavo Dudamel’s final concert Sunday in Disney Hall as L.A. Phil music director.
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This time there was no film, no lighting and not much theater, Dudamel relying on the sheer intensity of the music. Rather than incantation, “América” was given dramatic veracity, enacted by an irresistible sextet of YOLA musicians, who also happen to be budding thespians. Their ages ranged from 10 to 20. Arriaga’s poem is a long series of names, phrases, lines from politicians and writers that encapsulate America. When a young child intones with arresting passion Lincoln’s “A house divided against itself cannot stand,” or Allen Ginsberg’s “I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness,” we are made aware that the best minds of our generation will not let us stop them, period.
Gustavo Dudamel exits the Walt Disney Hall stage Sunday.
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Without a break, Dudamel began Estévez’s complex cantata, which he conducted from memory, with a searing fury that did not let up for 35 minutes. The two vivid soloists were tenor Anthony León as the cocky troubadour and baritone Eleomar Cuello as the cocky devil. Hopeful adrenaline triumphed over evil but only with help from above. The marvelous Master Chorale marvelously set the moody scene for triumph.
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The “Dude” who conducted “Cantata Criolla” 16 years ago was a youthful advocate, barely older than the oldest now in YOLA. The Dudamel who led this “Cantata Criolla” is now a messenger, and Sunday’s concert was not a party but a mission.
It was recorded and will be released only on vinyl as a limited-edition two-LP set and available next month only at the L.A. Phil store or ordered online.
I Love Boosters Director: Boots Riley Neon, Focus Features, Universal Pictures In Theaters: 05.22.2026
Recent times have shown us the impending horrors of late-stage capitalism. Quite the statement to start with. Well… knowing this audience, this is an obvious statement. One could go on and on about how much this system has taken from people and easily become lost in the chaos. However, Boots Riley’s newest movie chooses to embrace chaos — a colorful and absurd chaos, that is. I Love Boosters is an afro-surrealist dreamscape that interrogates the hypocrisies and contradictions of capitalism while highlighting the importance of community, action and especially disruption. The film designs a new look for the revolution that shocks and inspires the audience to take action.
Keke Palmer (One of Them Days, Akeelah and the Bee) stars as Corvette, an aspiring fashion designer and leader of the booster team, The Velvet Gang, a group that shoplifts high-end clothes and sells them at a discount price. Corvette works alongside her two friends, Sade (Naomi Ackie, I Wanna Dance with Somebody, Mickey 17) and Mariah (Taylour Paige, The Toxic Avenger, Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F) as they try to make ends meet. When Corvette discovers that designer Christie Smith (Demi Moore, St. Elmo’s Fire, The Substance) stole the design she had submitted for a contest, she targets Metro Design, Smith’s fashion chain. In the midst of their plan, they meet and team up with Jianhu (Poppy Liu, Hacks, Dog Man), a Chinese factory worker protesting the poor working conditions of Christie Smith’s factories. Things get even more insane when they discover that Jianhu has a teleporter — and uses it in their heists to rob stores, leading viewers to discover more about the device.
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Those expecting a typical narrative about revolution and taking down the system won’t find that here. Rather, I Love Boosters tries to be a revolution in its own way against Hollywood and the looming dread of the AI bubble through its storytelling and filmmaking. Riley takes full advantage of this medium and builds a world that is bursting with color and off-the-wall visuals — like the Smith’s slanted building or the crazy costumes worn by The Velvet Gang. He even goes as far as calling back to classic films like Jason and the Argonauts, with a live-action/stop-motion hybrid sequence that brings joy to anyone who wants tactile-ness back in movies.
Riley also forgoes any semblance of subtlety, but still manages to pack so much substance into the film. Of course, the visual gags can be peeled back to reveal deeply harsh truths about our world. Mariah’s hilarious trick to lighten her skin by holding her breath speaks volumes about the exhaustion black people deal with when code-switching. Or take the entire dissertation we get mid-way through the film about dialectical materialism, essentially telling the audience that Karl Marx is required reading for a workers’ revolution. The film also acknowledges the messiness that comes with organizing and how acceleration is necessary for meaningful change. This goes without even diving into the uniquely black aspects of the film. The parts that speak specifically to the ones who lead the way in times of revolution and the roadblocks they face, from the appropriation of their art to the exploitation of their labor. By focusing on the fashion industry, Riley dissects classism and elitism that exists in the space that is meant to celebrate human expression. The film basically states that those at the top are the artists, while everyone else is the art. In other words, those at the top shape the world into what they want it to be. But in truth, everyone wants to be an artist and put some of themselves into the world. When we do that, we can undoubtedly create a more equitable society.
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Praise should also be given to the actors in this film. The leading ladies disappear into their roles, while bringing a level of charm and energy to every scene that makes you believe in their friendship. Of course, Paige steals the show in every scene she is in with her endearing performance that brings out the best in Palmer and Ackie. Don Cheadle (Hotel Rwanda, Iron Man 2) and Will Poulter (We’re the Millers, Midsommar) were also standouts. Cheadle, as the pyramid-schemer Dr. Jack, gives a great performance through layers of make-up and Poulter steals the show in every scene he is in as the uptight, petty Metro Designs branch manager Grayson.
While I praised the film for exploring so many meaningful aspects of revolution and actualization, you could still feel how busy this film truly is, which left certain ideas feeling underdeveloped. LaKeith Stanfield’s (Knives Out, Sorry to Bother You) character touches on the idea that men often steal women’s ambitions and souls to fulfill their own needs. While this did give us quite a memorable scene, his presence felt tacked on. Also, with so much happening in the movie, there were moments where the story felt like it was lost. Nonetheless, Riley manages to bring it all together in the end.
Once again delivering a scathing criticism of capitalism that is equal parts hilarious and optimistic, Riley’s approach to storytelling oozes with unconventionality, and through it he creates imaginative visuals that both shock and impress you. At the end of the day, I Love Boosters is a celebration of collective action that reminds us just how interconnected our issues are. —Angela Garcia
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(L-R) Jennifer Lopez as Jackie Cruz and Brett Goldstein as Daniel Blanchflower in ‘Office Romance’
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When you see the first rushes or even the stills of a rom-com like Office Romance, reasonable expectations are set. Easy-breezy rom-coms are few and far between. So, the prospect of JLo starring as a bosswoman AND romancing Brett Goldstein aka grumpy Roy Kent? Sign me up… or so I thought.
The R-rated workplace rom-com kicks off with considerable promise. Jackie Cruz (a radiant Jennifer Lopez), the CEO of commercial airline AirCruz finds herself on the receiving end of a ludicrous, yet high-stakes lawsuit from competitor Falcon airlines. When the head of her legal team is hospitalised after choking very inconveniently on a breakfast burrito, Daniel Blanchflower (Brett Goldstein) steps in.
The attraction is fast and furious, and feels especially challenging to sustain in an organisation that heavily comes down on even the whimper of a workplace romance. Jackie’s best friend, a heavily pregnant Sydney Bloom (Betty Gilpin), is also constantly on vigil. While Jackie is a self-proclaimed workaholic who comes with considerable baggage, Daniel has his own secrets; a sister stashed away in prison.
Office Romance (English)
Director: Ol Parker
Cast: Jennifer Lopez, Brett Goldstein, Betty Gilpin, Bradley Whitford
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Runtime: 115 minutes
Storyline: A CEO and her company’s legal head navigate workplace challenges and embark on a romance that takes over their lives
A workplace setting offers up so much potential in a rom-com (remember Set It Up?), especially when it features shifting power dynamics like in this one. In the initial stretches of the film, it’s a true pleasure witnessing Daniel being the bumbling, far-from-charming romance hero, who is rendered unable to even form a coherent sentence in the presence of Jackie. Once you settle in for the sparks to fly however, all of this is short-lived.
Amidst all the prolonged eye contact at boardroom meetings, occasional workplace banter, try-hard crude jokes and an ongoing legal tussle, Office Romance never really lands. It doesn’t quite embraces its breezy and cute side, nor does it go full throttle with the R-rated jokes or gags. The result? A middling muddle of cliches that feel flat, and far from entertaining.
Jennifer Lopez as Jackie Cruz and Brett Goldstein as Daniel Blanchflower in ‘Office Romance’
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The leads, JLo and Brett (who also has writing credits on the film) do enjoy some brief, sparkling chemistry as they jet set to pristine beaches, enjoy a string of dates all over the city (without ever being spotted) and sneak around the office. There is however little else we learn about them — in brief flashes we hear of Daniel having to settle in New Jersey to be closer to his sister, or about Jackie’s previous marriage and her need to be taken more seriously by her board of directors or her father whose legacy she is carrying on; but that is it. There is no conversation that intrigues, the dialogues are stail and all of this in no way gives the characters any depth, which means we in turn hardly care for them.
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The excessive expletives feel forced into the dialogue, the entrily unnecessary and graphic childbirth scene, and a romance that hinges on a communication breakdown easily resolved with a single conversation, only add to the film’s dreary proceedings. In hindsight, the film’s promo tours with the two leads felt so much more compelling.
Pegged as Lopez’s much awaited return to rom-coms, the film ultimately feels like a letdown. This is especially frustrating given how thanks to Off Campus, Lopez and “On The Floor” is everywhere. Both actors deserved a better script, more romance and most importantly, more comedy.
Memorizing your lines seems like such a foundational part of an actor’s job that there wouldn’t be much to say about it. Yet when a group of performers recently got onto the topic during The Envelope’s Emmy Limited Series / TV Movie Roundtable, it turned out everyone had their own way of doing it. And all were eager for tips and tricks, whether it be an app, a line-drilling coach (“Can I have that number?”), writing down the first letter of each word or even writing a monologue backward.
“We have to share tools, guys,” said Camila Morrone, who plays a bride-to-be who learns her fiancé’s family dark secrets in the horror thriller “Something Very Bad Is Going to Happen.” “It’s funny that we all have such different methods.”
Joining Morrone were Jamie Bell, who stars in “Half Man,” about the extremely dysfunctional, toxic relationship between two stepbrothers; Linda Cardellini, who appears in “DTF St. Louis” as a dissatisfied woman caught in a dangerous love triangle; Michael Peña, who plays a detective assigned to the case of a missing child while his own boundaries are tested in “All Her Fault”; Andrew Rannells, who is a man coming to terms with his own life while helping to plan a funeral in “Miss You, Love You”; and Constance Zimmer, who channels the mother of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy in “Love Story: John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette.” Read on for more excerpts from our conversation.
The Envelope’s 2026 Emmy Limited Series / TV Movie Roundtable: Constance Zimmer, left, Michael Peña, Linda Cardellini, Andrew Rannells, Camila Morrone and Jamie Bell.
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How do you watch TV? A home theater screening room or a tablet on the go?
Morrone: When I see people on a plane watching on their phone, I’m like, “Do you know how many people worked on that?”
Zimmer: I can barely watch one on an iPad because I still feel guilty about not getting the full effect.
Cardellini: I can’t watch on my phone or an iPad. It starts to hurt my eyes. And I like to binge. I don’t like one at a time. I like to save it up, and I like a binge. I don’t have the patience.
Morrone: Oh, I love one at a time. I want to wait till Sunday night, order my favorite food, maybe have a friend come over … Guess our theories of what’s going to happen. I did that with “White Lotus” this year, and I was looking forward to every Sunday at 7 p.m.
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Bell: I catch usually about 10 minutes of whatever my wife has fallen asleep to. And then I’ll get into that, and then I’ll watch a lot more episodes while she’s asleep. And then she’ll wake up, and we’ll be completely out of sync in terms of what we’re watching.
Jamie, “Half-Man” is such an emotionally intense show, and it seems like that would be a really hard head space to exist in. Are there things that you do for yourself to maintain your own sanity?
Bell: Me and Richard [Gadd], who wrote the show, are big soccer fans. So I brought a soccer ball to set a lot, and just whatever space we’re in, we just kick a ball to each other every now and then. So, a lot of that wasn’t even us really speaking to each other, but just passing a ball backwards and forwards, which was quite a nice way of just taking our minds off of whatever scene we were doing and still enjoy the space with each other and do something that was physical that didn’t really require us jumping [around] too much.
Camila, “Something Very Bad Is Going to Happen” is also a very intense show. It’s not so much a scream queen kind of horror; it’s this foreboding horror. Was that a difficult space for you to exist in?
Morrone: I think there’s an underappreciation for horror performances. I think some of the most incredible performances, especially by women, have been done in the horror genre. And I think it’s a really specific thing to do because if you’re playing only one level of horror throughout an eight-episode series, I think it’s incredibly boring. And I think I had this notion of like, “God, I don’t want to do these jump scares,” and kind of the cliches of what we imagine horror is like. But horror can be really deep and really internal, and I think there’s a lot of ways in which horror and fear manifest. And I think it was interesting to try and find levels to it and to have the audience come with you, but not dramatize or exaggerate an emotion.
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Michael, in “All Her Fault” you are playing someone who could be a much more conventional detective character, but reveals more layers. Was there a moment in your career when you realized, whether it was going for certain roles or not going for certain roles, where you wanted to break out of feeling like a sidekick character or more stereotyped characters? Was there a moment where you made an effort to start going for a different kind of role?
Peña: Back when I started acting, the breakdowns for actors, it was like “Caucasian only,” “Caucasian only,” “Caucasian only,” and we weren’t allowed to audition for those. And it was only until the 14th part that it said, “Open to other ethnicities.” So there’s like a thousand of us going for the 14th place. Ten years of that, you kind of think, “I guess I’m meant to be a supporting character.” But then my mom, right before she died, what she said is, “If you’re going to do that, just make it real. What’s the best you can do with that part?” I said, “Make it a three-dimensional character.” She’s like, “Just do that.” And she’s like, “Nobody remembers your bank account.” And I was like, “Oh, these are two good pieces of advice, Moms,” and so that’s what I did. And with “Crash,” he was a gangster and I was like, “Screw it. I’m just going to do the work and try it out, and all the stuff that I was learning in acting class, I’m going to apply it to this particular role.” And I was happy with the work, so then I kept doing that.
For the rest of you, was there a moment where you had to make a decision about the kind of career that you wanted for yourself and the kind of roles you were going to go up for?
Zimmer: Sorry. It just makes me laugh because we have no control, as actors, over where they believe that we belong. I wish that we could say, “I’d like to try this now,” but it’s basically where they believe they would like us. And then you get put into an area, or a path, or a box, and you can’t get out until somebody else decides, “Hold on. We’re going to give you that shot to try this, even though it’s not necessarily what you normally do or are known for.” Then it takes that for everybody to go, “Oh, you can do this, too?” And it’s like, “Yeah, that’s my job.” My job is to do a lot of things, not just one role, or one type of role.
Rannells: You’d like to think that you’re more in control of those decisions, but sometimes things just happen.
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Constance, as Ann Messina, Carolyn Bessette’s mother in “Love Story,” you have this speech that you give at their wedding dinner. It’s such an incredible scene, and I’m wondering, what was it like for you when you first read that in the script?
Zimmer: That monologue was actually my audition.
Peña: Oh, I love when that happens like that.
Zimmer: So I knew it very well, getting on the set with it. I think that I only saw two scripts out of nine episodes, and they were just the ones I was in. And I remember my team saying, “This might be it. We don’t know if there’s anything else that you’re going to do on the show.” And I said, “If this is the only thing I do, it’ll be worth it,” because it was so layered and it was so well-written by Connor Hines and Juli Weiner, I was kind of like, “This is all that matters anyway.” So, to be able to feel like I could pour the entire character into one moment in time, it allowed me to try and give her as much as possible because I was like, “This might be it.” So when I read it, I was like, “Oh, OK. That’s like those five-page monologues that you don’t get very often to do for one character in one episode.”
Linda, your character on “DTF St. Louis” has this habit of saying, “No way, José,” and it’s oddly catchy. And she also is always asking people to speak up. Is it difficult to take what seems, on the page, maybe like tics or weird habits and make them feel natural?
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Cardellini: That was the great challenge of it, and it’s the beauty of [Steven Conrad’s] writing. Like we repeat “Jamba Juice,” or “Quality Inn,” or “Garden Suites,” all these little phrases, or “Snag it.” It’s so fun to find a way to make that seem like it is natural to you. I remember I had a long monologue audition, and in there I talk about, “No way, José.” I wasn’t sure what the tone was — it’s such a specific tone when you watch the show, and it’s very Steve Conrad. And I didn’t know what it was before I met him and before you could see the show in action. So getting through that and chewing through that in my audition, doing these versions of “No way, José” that I thought felt really, really natural to me, I was like, “This is how I would say it. This is how I’m going to do it. If my sense of humor matches his sense of humor, if our tones match, then I’ll get this role. And if they don’t, then somebody else will do it beautifully in that other way, whatever that is.” Luckily that was like a marriage of tone and thought, and then those things start to come naturally. And then you want to say them more often than they’re written. There’s not a lot of improv in the show, but we would all just joke around and say it to each other.
Andrew, so much of “Miss You, Love You” is just you and Allison Janney together —
Rannells: Just sitting in a house. Just talking.
What was the rehearsal process like? How did the two of you prepare for these very long dialogue scenes?
Rannells: We rehearsed it like a play, which was really fun, and I’ve never really … I mean, we did that, I guess, with “Boys in the Band” a little bit. We had done it on Broadway and then we all kind of still knew it from when we actually filmed it. But Allison and I rehearsed it like a play, and we would just run lines like little theater nerds. It was exciting because I’ve never — to get on set and to be able to say, like, “We can do the first 25 pages just because we’ve already memorized it.” And we did for Danny Moder, the [director of photography]; we did our little play for the crew one day. Which was really fun because you don’t normally get to work like that. It’s like in little segments. And [writer-director] Jim Rash just let us run it in a way that felt really satisfying to get to do. Because sometimes when you just do little pieces of things you’re like, “I can’t quite get the arc of this, and I don’t really know.” You’re doing inserts, and you’re like, “This doesn’t feel like acting.”
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Zimmer: And you’re doing it out of order, so you’re like, “Wait, I’m playing the end before I’ve even played the beginning, but I don’t even know what my beginning is.”
Cardellini: It becomes detective work.
Rannells: Shout-out to Allison Janney. It turns out she’s good at acting.
Linda, what was it like working with an intimacy coordinator in shooting what certainly look like they could have been very awkward scenes in “DTF”?
Cardellini: I like an intimacy coordinator. I think it’s wonderful. I think they’re there if you would like to use them. Everybody I’ve ever worked with in that capacity has been so helpful and considerate, and I think it’s just a nice resource to have. And we had a great one on “DTF.” … One of the first scenes I ever shot was me where I have to, we call it “weight placement,” on Jason’s face. And we were scheduled to shoot that much later, but it came up the —
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Rannells: That was your first day?
Cardellini: That was our first scene together, really placing your weight on somebody in a way where you just don’t want to hurt somebody’s face. I mean, you don’t want to suffocate somebody. There’s a lot of things that could happen. But it was handled so beautifully. And Jason, of course, is so wonderful, and we had such a great time doing the scenes because we just would laugh — they’re funny. The scenes, more than even being sexual, are so awkward and bizarre and filled with these strange little kinks that it becomes funny, in a way, although you treat it with dead seriousness. But Steve Conrad had a beautiful economy about what he was shooting, and he would storyboard. It was never just like, “Oh, be intimate and go for it, and we’ll see what we use.” It was, “This is the part of your body we’re going to use right here. This will be the shot. It’s this frame. We’re not going to do any more than that.” So you never felt like you were in the Wild West doing this passionate thing that felt uncomfortable. … Because, of course, going into something like that, reading the script, you’re thinking, “It’s a little nerve-racking. How am I going to do these things?” It was much easier than I could have ever imagined.
Constance, your character in “Love Story,” she embodies the other side of the glamour and the fame and the story that we all think we know. And in a lot of ways I can’t help but connect it to your character from “UnReal” in that it creates this really interesting perspective on fame. These roles, do they make you think about that, as well? Do you start to consider your own relationship to fame and your character’s relationship to fame?
Zimmer: Ann, [and] working on “Love Story” in general, really brought the price of fame to the forefront and how it can tear people apart and down and away from who they were before they became famous. And I think, in this particular story, Carolyn never set out to be famous. That was like the last thing she wanted. The scenes with me and Sarah Pidgeon, who plays Carolyn Bessette, were very much about, “How do I remind you that everything is going to change, and you are going to change?” So it made the mama bear really show up. And sadly, it’s hard to do the research about all of that and see how much media was to blame. I hate to say it, and it’s tough, especially for a woman: They really tore her apart. It definitely makes you look at things and go, “Wow, it’s so interesting what we all give up.” This is our craft. We do this as actors, yet when we step outside of our craft and our roles, we are judged on such a harsh level. We’re here for the work and to make and show these characters so that maybe you can see a little bit of yourself, or maybe it can help you with grief, or laughter, or whatever. But then, outside of our work, we are judged almost worse about how we’re aging, how we’re not aging, what we look like, what we don’t look like. It’s the hardest part, I think, of what we do.
Would the rest of you agree with that, that in some ways, it’s not the work that you’re doing, but it’s this other job that exists outside of your work, the fame aspect of it? Does that become a bigger challenge than you expect?
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Rannells: So much of the promotion of things that you work on now hinges on your participation in like, “Post this picture” or “Do this video” or “Do this thing.” And that’s stuff that you just don’t think about when you say, “I want to be an actor.” You don’t think about, “Do I have to do a collab with the network?” I don’t want to do that. That’s not part of my job, but it is part of your job. That is part of it now. So that’s a tricky aspect of it that I didn’t expect.
Morrone: The other side of that coin is that there’s independent films that I’ve done, that nobody would have ever seen had I not been the poster child on social media, being like, “I love this film. Please, watch this film. This is how to watch this film.” So, then again, it can also be a really beneficial platform. And it’s such a complicated relationship because, I mean, I grew up with social media. I don’t ever remember not having a form of social media. And I wish I could be like the cool actors who aren’t on it. They’re much more mysterious.
Peña: Jamie’s not on it.
Bell: I mean, it’s not a conscious choice. I’m just not on it.
Jamie, both you and Linda have been acting since you were quite young and, in some ways, have grown up on camera. How do you know what of yourself to hold onto, what you allow the public to see? Is that something you , at some point in your career, had to make a decision about how much of yourself you were going to give away?
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Bell: I’m quite a boring person. I’m a dad. When I’m not working, I’m just dad and school running and that kind of thing. And also, I enjoy working. So most of my time is spent either trying to get the next job, or thinking about the next job, or just really working hard on that because I enjoy that. So I really don’t think about any of that other stuff. And I’ve been quite fortunate in that no one is particularly interested in banging down that door anyway …which I’m quite relieved about, honestly, because I feel like I get to work in a space where I’m just coming and playing the part, and I’m going home. That’s all I’ve ever done is since I was like 12 or 13 years old, and I still enjoy that. I still enjoy that thrill of going to work and playing the character. And I have incredibly high expectations of myself and all those things. I self-flagellate a lot on the way home, like, “Why didn’t you do it like that?” I stress myself out about that kind of stuff, but I still go back the next day going like, “God, maybe I’ll get it today.” And that excitement still exists. And I think mostly that’s because I don’t have this other side of stuff that is distracting me from anything.
Cardellini: When I first started, I wondered if I would ever make a living at it. And to be able to have had it as my job and to have a job that I love and, like you said, show up and just be excited to do the work and be excited to be around other people who do the similar work or behind the camera… It’s such a beautiful community that I feel very grateful that I’ve been able to grow up doing what I love. I mean, I wouldn’t have guessed that it could have lasted this long. And people always said, like, “Oh, when you get to a certain age, it gets terrible for women.” And I still feel like I’m still learning and growing and doing new things, stuff I’ve never done before. So I just try to turn down my worry and just be so grateful in the moment, which is not always easy for me because I can live with a lot of anxiety. But thinking about it and listening to everybody here right now, I just am very grateful to have a seat at the table, literally and figuratively.
I’d imagine for all of you that you’re probably never quite sure what roles you do that are going to be the ones that hit in a certain way. Do you ever know what movies are going to land with audiences?
Peña: I think I’ve done OK in that department where if I read something and it really moves me, I just want to be a part of it. I mean, they had their own success, in a way. “Eastbound & Down” was so funny. When I read the character, I was like, “Oh, this is a really cool character.” And now the meme… There’s a fart meme. Man, I swear to God, we shot that 15 years ago, and literally I do a fart noise, and I say, “How long have you been with her?” It sucks now because I’m like, “That’s all they know me for. Not ‘Crash,’ not ‘World Trade Center,’ not all the movies that were nominated, this and that.” It’s the fart noise.
Rannells: Is that going to be your In Memoriam thing?
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Peña: Can you imagine? Let’s watch a clip here of Michael —
As we talk about these past projects you’ve been a part of, it just leads to the question of how the business of being an actor, the nature of this as a job, has changed for you over the years.
Rannells: When I started, and I started in the ensemble of “Hairspray” on Broadway, I never expected that I would ever get a job on television. That just seemed very far away. So the fact that I get to do it and that I have a tiny bit of control over what I get to do is a real gift because it was very unexpected. My first TV job, I was a headless stripper on “Sex and the City.”
Morrone: What episode?
Rannells: It wasn’t a Halloween episode. They just didn’t shoot my face. But I remember filming it and being like, “I can’t imagine this will ever happen again, that I’ll be on a set, or doing a TV show,” So it’s still sort of a surprise anytime I get a job that I’m like, “Someone’s going to pay me to do that, to make faces.”
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It seems like everyone in Hollywood right now is talking about artificial intelligence. For all of you, is that something that you are thinking about for yourself? Have you experimented with it at all?
Morrone: I really want to believe that people will always choose us and real emotion, and that the audience is really smart and they want to see real humans and real life experiences and raw emotion. And I pray that that’s the case. I have a lot of hope in humanity, in that case.
I don’t know what it means for us in the near future. I know that we have to protect ourselves. I actually was working with Patricia Arquette, she directed me in a film called “Gonzo Girl.” And she is so hyper-aware of all of this and looking into all her contracts. So was Jamie Lee Curtis. I got the opportunity to talk to her about AI. And they were so knowledgeable and like, “Go back and look at everything that you’ve done the last 10 years, and review everything, and make sure that they can’t use your likeness in the future.” I mean, it’s something that we really do have to be aware of.
Peña: I don’t think that it’s going to be a threat because it’s working off of a database and whatever has been uploaded onto that particular AI. So, just for s— and giggles, I was like, let me see if it can write some jokes. So, I’m like, “What would Peña say in this one?” I was like, “Lame.” All the jokes sucked, and they were recycled jokes. And I was like, “OK, cool. That gives me hope.”