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Three years later, Marc Bergevin on how it ended with the Canadiens and what’s next
Marc Bergevin was fired three years ago today by the Montreal Canadiens and completely disappeared from the media glare, eventually settling into an enjoyable gig with the Los Angeles Kings.
The extreme lifestyle change of going from the constant public spotlight as Habs GM for nearly a decade to near-obscurity as senior adviser without a public profile with the Kings while living in Redondo Beach, Calif., well, that suits Bergevin just fine.
“I have no regrets about my time in Montreal,” Bergevin told The Athletic this week. “It was a great nine and a half years, and I have nothing but positive memories. But there is certainly a spotlight there.
“Here, you go to Starbucks to get your coffee in the morning and nobody knows who you are.”
Which is exactly what he needed. Three years to decompress.
“After I left Montreal, I remember thinking I wanted to be a GM again right away, but looking back, it would have been the wrong thing for me to jump back right in,” Bergevin said. “I needed this time to reenergize.”
It’s not like he’s been sitting on his hands. He’s working full-time for Rob Blake, advising and traveling and doing whatever the Kings GM needs. But he’s been able to do it in the shadows.
In his first media interview since his firing in Montreal on Nov. 28, 2021, Bergevin touched on a number of topics with The Athletic.
Let’s dive in.
Rejecting a Canadiens extension
Bergevin says Habs owner Geoff Molson approached him with a contract extension right after the team reached the ’21 Cup Final. His contract was expiring a year later.
“I decided that for me, it was best to move forward,” Bergevin said. “Time had come. It was good for both of us to move in a different direction. Geoff was very good, very fair. But I told him, ‘Geoff, I’m going to finish my last year that’s left and then I’m going to move on.’ He was good with that. He understood.”
The reality was that Bergevin was pretty much fried by one of the sport’s most demanding jobs. And not just from a hockey point of view.
“COVID took a toll on me — not physically, but as you know Montreal, Quebec, was really strict with the rules on COVID, and all my kids were in the States,” Bergevin said. “There was a 14-day quarantine then (once entering Quebec). I didn’t see my kids for almost a year.
“When Geoff made me the offer, I just felt there was no light at the end of the tunnel. The whole COVID thing for me beat me up, mentally, not seeing my kids.”
As it turns out, with Shea Weber playing his last NHL game in that 2021 Cup Final and Carey Price missing almost all of the following season, the end of an era for Bergevin’s team was happening even more quickly than anyone would have predicted. A 6-15-2 start to the season led to Bergevin’s firing.
“I knew a change was coming (because they had mutually agreed it was his last season), but it’s always a shock even though you prepare for it,” Bergevin said. “It was done the right way from Geoff’s side.”
The toll of the job
Before Bergevin landed in Montreal as Habs GM on May 2, 2012, he was known in hockey circles for his sense of humor. During his playing career and then working his way up the scouting ranks with the Chicago Blackhawks, he was the life of the party.
This is the guy who once picked up a plant walking out of a GMs meeting in Florida to avoid the cameras.
This is one creative way to avoid being spotted. #Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin hides behind a plant and (almost) slips right past everyone. pic.twitter.com/XHEk12Ev2Z
— Sportsnet (@Sportsnet) March 6, 2017
But a decade in that Habs job, through all the drama, chipped away at that personable, funny guy. The strain of the job was evident on his face by the end.
“Yeah that’s fair,” Bergevin said. “And it’s not like you change as a person, but you’re more on your guard because you feel like you have a spotlight on you every second of the day. And everything you said could be picked apart. So you’re more on your guard.
“But honestly, I enjoyed every second of my time there in Montreal. Even though there were times I didn’t feel like I did. But now that I can look back after a few years, yeah.”
He feels the good moves outweighed the mistakes, but yes, obviously, there were mistakes.
“Looking back I feel our average was pretty good,” he said.
Trader Bergevin
One of the characteristics of Bergevin’s time in Montreal was smaller to medium moves that ended up being beneficial. They all add up.
Acquiring Marco Scandella for a fourth-round pick from the Buffalo Sabres, then flipping him to the St. Louis Blues seven weeks later for second- and fourth-round picks.
Getting Brett Kulak from the Calgary Flames for Matt Taormina and Rinat Valiev.
One that wasn’t seen as big at the time: Getting Phillip Danault and a second-rounder from Chicago for pending UFAs Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann. That second-round pick became Alexander Romanov.
“I learned from Rick Dudley,” Bergevin said. “He said once to me, ‘Berg, you can’t go for the home run all the time. Sometimes you make your team better a little bit here, a little bit there. And eventually you get to where you want to be.’ I always kept that in mind. I think we did that in Montreal. We hit a lot of singles.”
Obviously, he also swung for the fences on some trades, including P.K. Subban for Shea Weber in June 2016.
“P.K. was a very good player, but we needed something different,” Bergevin said. “To get Shea Weber, you had to give up a pretty good asset. I think it worked out for both teams. Because both teams went to the Final. Nashville did with P.K. (in 2017), and we did with Shea.
“When a trade is made, both GMs think it’s going to work out for their teams, but I think the best ones are the ones that do actually work out for both teams.”
Bergevin was invited by Weber to his recent Hockey Hall of Fame induction, which was special for him.
“I’m glad that I went,” Bergevin said. “I told him, ‘I’m honored you’re asking me to go.’ And he said, ‘Berg, I want you to be there.’ That meant a lot to me.”
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The Carolina offer sheets
The Habs made huge news on July 1, 2019, when they signed star center Sebastian Aho to an offer sheet. The five-year, $42.295 million was front-loaded and mostly made up of signing bonuses, including $11.3 million in July 2019 and $9.87 million in July 2020. The gamble for Montreal was that Hurricanes owner Tom Dundon wouldn’t have the stomach to pay that money up front. But Dundon didn’t blink.
In retrospect, Bergevin thinks he could have done it differently.
“Aho was the right player to give an offer sheet to, but I wish it would have been a different offer sheet,” Bergevin said. “Would I take that back? Yes. But honestly, at the time, we thought we would get the player based on the signing bonuses, which (Tom) Dundon matched. It ended up being a good contract for them.
“Lesson learned, honestly. Lesson learned. If I ever become a GM again, that’s a lesson I can use moving forward if it happens.”
The offer sheet also made mortal enemies, at the time, of owners Dundon and Molson. That fueled Carolina’s revenge offer sheet on Jesperi Kotkaniemi in August 2021, a one-year, $6.1 million deal.
The Habs didn’t match.
“He wasn’t going to do a long-term deal with us because he wanted a change of scenery,” Bergevin said of Kotkaniemi.
And well, the Canadiens didn’t feel Kotkaniemi was worth $6.1 million. So that decision wasn’t hard.
Carolina GM Don Waddell did reach out to see if a trade could be worked out instead. The rumor at the time was that Bergevin tried to get a young Seth Jarvis back.
“That’s true,” he confirmed.
Waddell, not surprisingly, didn’t want to move Jarvis, who was drafted 13th the previous year.
Drafting Kotkaniemi third in the 2018 draft was a decision fueled by a desperate need at center for the Habs. Obviously taking him one spot ahead of winger Brady Tkachuk, who went next to the Ottawa Senators, is tough to digest for Habs fans now.
“I look back at that, honestly, if you remember, Brady had a really tough season at BU,” Bergevin said. “He didn’t score for a long time. The skating was an issue. At the time in Montreal, all I would hear is (Filip) Zadina, Zadina, Zadina … because he was playing in Halifax (of the Quebec League).
“Obviously, now you would say, ‘Tkachuk, well of course.’”
But the need to draft a center was real.
“We didn’t have any centermen, and we were looking at a guy that was a tall, lanky center,” Bergevin said. “He had some good hockey as a 17-year-old. I wish KK the best. I think there’s more there, but time will tell.”
Drafting Mailloux
Bergevin’s last draft as Habs GM brought his most controversial moment, stunning the hockey world by taking Logan Mailloux 31st in 2021.
Mailloux had asked NHL teams not to draft him after reports surfaced that he was convicted and fined in a Swedish court in December 2020 for disseminating offensive photography. He had taken a photo of a woman performing a sex act without her consent and circulated it among some teammates.
The Habs took him anyway. Bergevin at the time described what Mailloux had done as “unacceptable,” but many felt, as The Athletic’s Arpon Basu wrote, that the pick signaled that for the Canadiens, “Improving their hockey team is more important than basic, common decency.”
The story has died down over time, in part because it sounds like Mailloux has put in work to improve and educate himself. He remains part of the organization, has played six NHL games and is currently with AHL Laval.
“It’s nice to see the young man has done the necessary things, to earn a second chance,” Bergevin said, declining to say anything else on the matter.
I suspect his decision not to say more comes down to the regrettable decision involving other people around him in the organization. Most notably, of course, ownership signed off on it.
Whatever the case, if Bergevin is to become an NHL GM again one day, he will have to answer this question in more detail as part of his interview process with his next NHL owner.
What he left behind
Current Canadiens leadership inherited good young players, such as Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield, but also, it must be pointed out, some hefty contracts in Brendan Gallagher and Josh Anderson.
But Bergevin feels he left Jeff Gorton and Kent Hughes decent pieces to rebuild with.
“I never traded a first-round pick when I was there,” Bergevin said. “Not that I wouldn’t, but I didn’t. And you can look at the draft picks I left them. And I’m proud of that. I didn’t put that franchise in a bad spot. People might argue that, but I don’t know where you would argue that.”
Gallagher’s six-year, $39 million extension, signed in October 2020 and expiring in 2027, is one some would point to, although he’s had a renaissance season in 2024-25.
“He had three years of 30 goals in a row (before signing the extension),” Bergevin said. “You have to pay for that. Every GM sometimes gives one or two years too much in contracts.”
And yes, the Carey Price contract is still on Montreal’s books through 2026. Bergevin signed Price to an eight-year, $84-million extension July 2, 2017.
Of course it was too many years, but the alternative was to let the best goalie in the world walk a year later.
“You had to sign him, but then injuries … nobody knew that — he didn’t know that — would happen,” Bergevin said.
Before the extension was signed, did other teams call to gauge where things were with Price to see if a trade was possible? Like maybe at the draft?
Nope.
“Nobody ever called,” Bergevin said. Because it was obvious the Habs were going to do all they could to sign Price.
Life with the Kings
As senior adviser, Bergevin travels to scout games and spends time with the Kings coaching staff every week.
“I’ll come in most days and be part of all our discussions as a group,” Bergevin said. “I’ll watch other games, other teams, for either trades or free agency.”
Last week, Bergevin went to games in Vegas, Utah, Philadelphia and Chicago.
Bergevin played with Blake and Kings president Luc Robitaille on Canada’s world championship gold medal team in 1994. They remained close afterward.
The Kings hired him in January 2022.
“They wanted a different set of eyes,” Bergevin said.
“Marc has been a terrific addition to our staff,” Blake said via text. “Really enjoys the scouting aspect of managing. Has a busy travel schedule where he watches many live games with very thorough reports on players who may or may not fit with us. His welcoming personality allows him to interact with the coaching staff on a daily basis. Sharing his thoughts on our team and what is happening around the league.”
GM interviews
Bergevin has interviewed for three GM openings since leaving Montreal: in Toronto in May 2023 when Brad Treliving was hired, in Pittsburgh around the same time in 2023 when Kyle Dubas was hired and in Columbus this past offseason when Waddell got the gig.
“When teams reach out, it’s always good to do it,” Bergevin said.
Treliving was always the front-runner for the Toronto job, but Bergevin appreciated interviewing with Leafs president Brendan Shanahan.
“I knew Toronto a bit better because of my days with Montreal,” Bergevin said. “But Tree is a good general manager. After the announcement was made with Tree, I ran into Shanny and said, ‘Thank you for the opportunity.’
“There’s no hard feelings that I wasn’t picked. It’s a business. I wished him the best.”
So what’s next?
No doubt there will be more GM interviews, but whether or not that produces another GM gig remains to be seen.
“I’m in a good place here with Blakey and the staff. I really am,” Bergevin said. “If it turns out that I stay here for three, four, five years instead, I’m really good with that. But do I want to try again? I think we did enough good things in Montreal to have another crack at it. But that’s not my decision.
“I’ve never stopped working since the day I got let go. I’ve stayed really in touch with the game and the players.”
Regardless of what the future holds, he’s now better able to appreciate his time as Habs GM.
“Geoff Molson was always supportive,” Bergevin said. “I have nothing but respect for him. And I wish the best of luck in Montreal. Because they have a great fan base, great ownership, and I know Kent and Gorts, and they’re good people. I wish everybody there the best. I really mean that.”
(Photo: Minas Panagiotakis / Getty Images)
Culture
Book Review: ‘When the Forest Breathes,’ by Suzanne Simard
WHEN THE FOREST BREATHES: Renewal and Resilience in the Natural World, by Suzanne Simard
It’s the summer of 2023 and the Canadian forest ecologist Suzanne Simard is sitting tucked in the knobby embrace of an Amazonian tree trunk, imagining that she too is a tree as she “reached out with leaves unfurling to greet the sun.” She can feel the rat-a-tat of woodpeckers on her bark, the stretch of her roots in the soil below. She draws strength from a sense of family: “The trees were in my blood. They were my kin.”
But in Simard’s new book, “When the Forest Breathes,” trees are not just supportive relatives. They are teachers and healers, capable of communication and perception, a woodland congregation in which young trees grow “in halos” around their elders. Back in Canada, she describes a forest visit that further amplifies that sense of magic, a moment in which she stands beneath aged cedars, “the supernatural trees, the grandmothers,” listening as they whisper wisdom on the breeze.
All of which brings a heady, inspirational quality to her writing as she urges readers to hear the forest as she does. “Nature is waiting for us to listen,” she writes, “and to learn.” The siren quality of her message is almost tangible, as is the allure of gaining knowledge from the Zen master inhabitants of the ancient forests.
And yet. I find myself considering the message in my annoyingly cautious, science-writerly way. Would I find it inspiring to be pecked by a woodpecker? Probably not. Have I ever thought of myself as a tree? Probably never. Is this the measured language we hear from most scientists? Not even close. Simard emphasizes this point in the book: her growing sense of alienation from the methodologies of Western science, its tendency to obsess over small details and, as she sees it, miss the forest for the trees. “I found myself longing to push back against these rigid boundaries,” she writes, and to find “other ways of seeing and knowing the natural world.”
This longing derives in part from her collaborations with Indigenous scientists on Canadian forest management, which led her to deeply admire their more holistic approach to nature. She cites studies showing that “Indigenous-held land,” including forests, “contained some of the most biodiverse and carbon-rich ecosystems in the world.” Amid perilous global climate change, Simard is drawn to their loving attitude to nature as her “philosophical and spiritual home.”
Increasingly, she feels more anchored in their worldview than in that of her longtime research community. A professor of forest ecology at the University of British Columbia, Simard published her first semi-autobiographical book, “Finding the Mother Tree,” in 2021, and it became an international best seller. In it she wove her central theory about the forest — that trees “talk” to one another through an underground network of connective fungi, fostering an intergenerational system in which older trees protect and help the younger ones — with her own experience of grief and illness, emphasizing the parallels between the lives of trees and those of humans.
Despite the book’s rapturous public reception, the scientific community’s response was often unenthusiastic. Other biologists accused her of exaggerating the evidence for cooperation among organisms at the expense of “the important role of competition in forest dynamics.” They worried she was selling a forest story that might be only partly true. And they disliked her use of anthropomorphizing descriptors like “mother tree,” which suggested these organisms should be valued for their similarities to humans, instead of for their own remarkable biology.
Simard admits to having been hurt and frustrated by these accusations, to which she responded with a point-by-point rebuttal in a scientific journal. She returns to these grievances in the new book, where she expresses resentment for the demeaning accusation of anthropomorphism (“the mere utterance of the word” in Western science “suggests the scientist who makes this blasphemous mistake is not an objective observer, but rather impure, intuitive and subjective, perhaps lacking integrity”), and the resistance to her efforts to do justice to the inherent poetry of the forest.
This book is not, however, a rejection of the insights that good science — including Simard’s own — can bring. She provides examples of experiments showing how the heavy machinery used by loggers destroys the ability of the forest floor to sequester carbon; and how clear-cutting of old-growth forests can turn wooded lands into places that release carbon into the atmosphere rather than absorbing it.
Given the urgency of climate change, Simard’s dissatisfaction with the standard research model is in many ways a dissatisfaction with communication. If we are to protect our endangered forests, she argues, then science needs to be less timid in its messaging. She urges her colleagues to take a lesson from the First Nations people who fight for what they believe. To “stand tall in the wind,” as the Mother Trees do.
WHEN THE FOREST BREATHES: Renewal and Resilience in the Natural World | By Suzanne Simard | Knopf | 310 pp. | $30
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Do You Recognize These Snappy Lines From Popular Crime Novels?
Welcome to Literary Quotable Quotes, a quiz that tests your recognition of classic lines. This week’s installment celebrates lines from popular crime novels. (As a hint, the correct books are all “firsts” in one category or another.) In the five multiple-choice questions below, tap or click on the answer you think is correct. After the last question, you’ll find links to the novels if you’re intrigued and inspired to read more.
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Xia De-hong, 94, Dies; Persecuted in China, She Starred in Daughter’s Memoir
Xia De-hong, who survived persecution and torture as an official in Mao Zedong’s China and was later the central figure in her daughter’s best-selling 1991 memoir, “Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China,” died on April 15 in Chengdu, China. She was 94.
Ms. Xia’s death, in a hospital, was confirmed by her daughter Jung Chang.
Ms. Chang’s memoir, which was banned in China, was a groundbreaking, intimate account of the country’s turbulent 20th century and the iron grip of Mao’s Communist Party, told through the lives of three generations of women: herself, her mother and her grandmother. An epic of imprisonment, suffering and family loyalty, it sold over 15 million copies in 40 languages.
The story of Ms. Chang’s stoic mother holding the family together while battling on behalf of her husband, a functionary who was tortured and imprisoned during Mao’s regime, was the focus of “Wild Swans,” which emerged out of hours of recordings that Ms. Chang made when Ms. Xia visited her in London in 1988.
Ms. Xia was inspired as a teenager to become an ardent Communist revolutionary because of the mistreatment of women in the Republic of China, as well as the corruption of the Kuomintang nationalists in power. (Her own mother had been forced into concubinage at 15 by a powerful warlord.)
In 1947, in Ms. Xia’s home city of Jinzhou, the Communists were waging guerrilla war against the government. She joined the struggle by distributing pamphlets for Mao, rolling them up inside green peppers after they had been smuggled into the city in bundles of sorghum stalks.
Captured by the Kuomintang, she was forced to listen to “the screams of people being tortured in the rooms nearby,” her daughter later wrote. But that only stiffened her resolve.
She married Chang Shou-yu, an up-and-coming Communist civil servant and acolyte of Mao, in 1949.
It was then that disillusionment began to set in, according to her daughter. The newlyweds were ordered to travel a thousand miles to Sichuan, her husband’s home province. Because of Mr. Chang’s rank, he was allowed to ride in a jeep, but she had to walk, even though she was pregnant, and suffered a miscarriage as a result.
“She was vomiting all the time,” her daughter wrote. “Could he not let her travel in his jeep occasionally? He said he could not, because it would be taken as favoritism since my mother was not entitled to the car.”
That was the first of many times that her husband would insist she bow to the rigid dictates of the party, despite the immense suffering it caused.
When she was a party official in the mid-1950s, Ms. Xia was investigated for her “bourgeois” background and imprisoned for months. She received little support from Mr. Chang.
“As my mother was leaving for detention,” Ms. Chang wrote, “my father advised her: ‘Be completely honest with the party, and have complete trust in it. It will give you the right verdict.’ A wave of aversion swept over her.”
Upon her release in 1957, she told her husband, “You are a good Communist, but a rotten husband.” Mr. Chang could only nod in agreement.
He became one of the top officials in Sichuan, entitled to a life of privilege. But by the late 1960s, he had become outraged by the injustices of the Cultural Revolution, Mao’s blood-soaked purge, and was determined to register a formal complaint.
Ms. Xia was in despair; she knew what became of families who spoke out. “Why do you want to be a moth that throws itself into the fire?” she asked.
Mr. Chang’s career was over, and both he and his wife were subjected to physical abuse and imprisoned. Ms. Xia’s position was lower profile; she was in charge of resolving personal problems, such as housing, transfers and pensions, for people in her district. But that did not save her from brutal treatment.
Ms. Xia was made to kneel on broken glass; paraded through the streets of Chengdu wearing a dunce’s cap and a heavy placard with her name crossed out; and forced to bow to jeering crowds.
Still, she resisted pressure from the party to denounce her husband. And unlike many other women in her position, she refused to divorce him.
Twice she journeyed to Beijing to seek his release, the second time securing a meeting with the prime minister, Zhou Enlai, who was considered a moderate. Ms. Xia was “one of the very few spouses of victims who had the courage to go and appeal in Peking,” her daughter wrote in “Wild Swans.”
But Ms. Xia and her husband never criticized the Cultural Revolution in front of their children, checked by the party’s absolute power and the fear it inspired.
“My parents never said anything to me or my siblings,” Ms. Chang wrote. “The restraints which had kept them silent about politics before still prevented them from opening their minds to us.”
She was held at Xichiang prison camp from 1969 to 1971 as a “class enemy,” made to do heavy labor and endure denunciation meetings.
The camp, though less harsh than her husband’s, was a bitter experience. “She reflected with remorse on the pointlessness of her devotion,” her daughter wrote. “She found she missed her children with a pain which was almost unbearable.”
Xia De-hong was born on May 4, 1931, in Yixian, the daughter of Yang Yu-fang and Gen. Xue Zhi-heng, the inspector general of the metropolitan police in the nationalist government.
When she was an infant, her mother fled the house of the general, who was dying, and returned to her parents, eventually marrying a rich Manchurian doctor, Xia Rui-tang.
Ms. Xia grew up in Jinzhou, Manchuria, where she attended school before joining the Communist underground.
In the 1950s, when she began to have doubts about the Communist Party, she considered abandoning it and pursuing her dream of studying medicine, her daughter said. But the idea terrified her husband, Ms. Chang said in an interview, because it would have meant disavowing the Communists.
By the late 1950s, during the Mao-induced Great Famine that killed tens of millions, both of her parents had become “totally disillusioned,” Ms. Chang said, and “could no longer find excuses to forgive their party.”
Mr. Chang died in 1975, broken by years of imprisonment and ill treatment. Ms. Xia retired from her government service, as deputy head of the People’s Congress of the Eastern District of Chengdu, in 1983.
Besides Ms. Chang, Ms. Xia is survived by another daughter, Xiao-hong Chang; three sons, Jin-ming, Xiao-hei and Xiao-fang; and two grandchildren.
Jung Chang saw her mother for the last time in 2018. Ms. Chang’s criticism of the regime, in her memoir and a subsequent biography, made returning to China unthinkable. She told the BBC in a recent interview that she never knew whether her mother had read “Wild Swans.”
But the advice her mother gave her and her brother Xiao-hei, a journalist who also lives in London, was firm: “She only wanted us to write truthfully, and accurately.”
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