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‘Sentimental Value’ isn’t a critique of Netflix. ‘It’s an encouragement’

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‘Sentimental Value’ isn’t a critique of Netflix. ‘It’s an encouragement’

Joachim Trier’s “Sentimental Value” is nominated for an impressive nine Academy Awards, among them the first best picture nod for a Norwegian film and the auteur himself for both directing and co-writing (with longtime collaborator Eskil Vogt) the family drama’s original screenplay.

But perhaps the film’s most remarkable achievement, Oscar-wise, is four first-time acting nominations.

Renate Reinsve, the director’s muse from his acclaimed feature “The Worst Person in the World,” is a lead actress nominee for playing popular but troubled Oslo stage and TV actor Nora Borg.

Sweden’s Stellan Skarsgård — whose career has run the gamut from Lars von Trier’s arty provocations to Marvel, “Dune,” “Star Wars” and “Mamma Mia!” franchise entries — is, at 74, arguably leading the supporting actor race. He plays Nora’s long-absent father Gustav, a once-respected writer-director trying to revive his career with a semiautobiographical project he needs his daughter to star in — and she wants nothing to do with.

Norwegian Inga Ibsdotter Lilleaas and American Elle Fanning both have supporting actress nods for, respectively, Nora’s younger, more conciliatory sister Agnes and the Hollywood star Rachel Kemp, who yearns for artistic cred and could definitely be the replacement casting that gets Gustav’s movie financed — if she can handle its very Scandinavian main role.

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But while suicide, wartime atrocities and intimate betrayals haunt the picturesque Borg family home, Trier does not take “Sentimental Value” into obvious Bergman territory. The four principals’ unmet personal and professional needs play out in unpredictable, funny and warm — as well as shattering — ways.

Though both dressed in black when they spoke with The Envelope at the Four Seasons Los Angeles recently, Trier and Skarsgård exhibited high spirits and fond camaraderie while examining the mysteries of relationships and art.

This interview was edited for length and clarity.

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Stellan Skarsgård, center, with Renate Reinsve and Inga Ibsdotter Lilleaas in "Sentimental Value."

Stellan Skarsgård, center, with Renate Reinsve and Inga Ibsdotter Lilleaas in “Sentimental Value.”

(Kasper Tuxen Andersen / Neon)

You guys really seem to enjoy all the awardsseason hoopla.

Trier: We’ve become such good friends, it’s like we really love each other. We made this film about a terribly dysfunctional family, but we are actually quite functional!

The whole gang looked so excited watching the nomination announcements on that viral video.

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Skarsgård: I was most happy that Elle and Inga got nominations. I’ve lived my whole life without a nomination — not a problem! — and you know that Renate will get a couple of Oscars, probably, in the near future. So it was beautiful.

For me, it’s the highest award in the world for a film actor. I do appreciate it, but it doesn’t mean much professionally.

Especially for you, who’s done just about everything a film actor can. Gustav seems like a special role, though.

Skarsgård: It is one of the best roles I’ve gotten in my life, but not on paper. It’s with Joachim directing it. He is interested in whatever nonverbal reaction you have between the lines. That is the acting I like, that kind of attention to the details of the psychological narrative that is not the normal film narrative.

Did you gain new insights into the plight of aging film workers?

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Skarsgård: [grinning] Well, I’m in the beginning of my career still.

Tell Stellan why you wrote Gustav for him, Joachim.

Trier: You’ve worked with Spielberg and Fincher and all of these great directors. I wanted to offer you a proper drama role where you can also be very vulnerable and honest about who you are. It’s not your biographical story at all — you have very good relationships to your kids and this man doesn’t — but you really brought your heart to it and made him somehow a human being in the three-dimensional sense. And I think your colleagues recognized that.

Stellan Skarsgård and Joachim Trier

“When you see him directing, you see that he has the sensibility and psychological intelligence of a good director,” Skarsgård, left, says of his character, Gustav Borg. “It’s very common that those directors are not very good with their family life.”

(Christina House / Los Angeles Times)

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Since a stroke damaged his short-term memory, Stellan receives prompts through an earpiece on set. How was it to work with that?

Trier: I witnessed a process that moved me deeply, and I think it’s made this film better. First, we decided to make Stellan’s prompter [Vibeke Brathagen, a prompter at Oslo’s National Theatre, where a number of “Value’s” scenes were filmed] part of the ensemble. To see an artist of this caliber in such a vulnerable position of trying something new coincided with portraying a character at a turning point in his life. Both the character and Stellan are working this deep feeling of, can I go on? Will there be another chance for me?

Skarsgård: It’s permanent, I can’t remember lines. What worried me was not only the language, but I had problems with the thought that goes over several beats. So I have to talk shorter and more in pulses. And it’s hard work because it’s not just somebody prompting and you repeat it, but rhythm between the actors is very important. To keep that rhythm, the prompter has to talk over the other actor’s lines. So you’re hearing two lines at the same time but you only react to one.

How was working with Renate?

Trier: She’s like a force of nature. We don’t know how she does what she does. We did one day of rehearsals and Stellan came up and gave me a hug [and] said, “Who is this person? She’s incredible!”

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Skarsgård: I remember that! Her face is transparent; you can see every feeling. She’s natural and curious and has a musicality that’s wonderful. I’m talking about rhythm again, of our scenes together. It was really good fun.

Inga?

Trier: One of the biggest challenges of this film was finding someone to play Renate’s younger sister who could match her level of performance, looked like her and spoke Norwegian fluently. There’s not an endless pool of those, but we did see around 200 people. When Inga arrived, it was very clear. There is an authenticity, a groundedness and something unneurotic and unproblematic about her approach. The earnestness transferred into the character and lifted it. She’s escaped the mad circus of the Borg family in a way — said, “I want my own family.”

And Elle?

Trier: I really wanted to work with Elle for her skills and craft, but she’s also grown up in the Hollywood system. She could portray this person yearning to connect with something deeper as an actor.

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She offered a lot of nuanced, different takes. There’s a scene where Rachel’s reading a text and crying in front of Gustav. It’s good acting, but there’s some sense that she’s acting stylistically, different than how he wants. Elle did several versions of that so we could find the right tone. She’s like a super-sophisticated jazz musician.

Saying the house is like a character too sounds a bit lame. But you really did some amazing things with the place, up to and including copying its interiors on a soundstage — which, despite his desire to shoot in his ancestral home, is ultimately where Gustav makes his film within the film.

Trier: I’ve been very aware that this film is about generational trauma and the house witnessing the 20th century. It’s subtly there. I’m not making a huge point of it. But for me that mattered when making the film. The thing is, how do these things percolate three, four generations later? I’ve felt that, and I know a lot of people have, and those conversations matter.

I wouldn’t use the word “device,” but the house gives us a more poetic approach to how quick time moves. The house has witnessed what the family can’t speak about. What Gustav’s mother went through. What he has felt but doesn’t know how to articulate. How it’s affected him toward his daughters. How they are choosing or not choosing to have a family. It’s connected through the gaze of the house.

So how to make that interesting and cinematic? I had a wonderful production design department, and our cinematographer, Kasper Tuxen, built a replica of the house on a soundstage. We went between that and the real house, and we did every 10 years of the 20th century with different lenses, different film stocks, different production design. It’s a love letter to cinema, also. It gave us an opportunity to nerd out and say, “We’re in the ’20s and ’30s, now we’re in the ’60s” and really play with the form.

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Joachim Trier, standing and Stellan Skarsgard.

(Christina House / Los Angeles Times)

Though he’s a master manipulator, Gustav always has to compromise to get a semblance of what he wants. Guess that’s directing in a nutshell, huh?

Trier: That’s the drama. How far do you have to be pragmatic without losing your art and still sustaining your career? All people in this business have to make tough choices at times. I could project my nightmares through him. What if I had been that person who didn’t spend time with my family? What if I had to compromise?

Skarsgård: There’s a lot of things out of Gustav’s control. He can’t manipulate his family enough; he’s trying, he brings out all the tools — be funny, be nice, everything — but he doesn’t reach them, and it’s tragic. When you see him directing, you see that he has the sensibility and psychological intelligence of a good director. It’s very common that those directors are not very good with their family life.

Speaking of compromises, the specter of Netflix hangs over Gustav’s whole project.

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Trier: Someone asked me if this is a critique. No, it’s an encouragement [chuckles]. I mean, wouldn’t it be wonderful if a lot of the great films Netflix does were shown in theaters first?

You concluded your Golden Globes acceptance speech, Stellan, saying “Cinema should be seen in cinemas.”

Skarsgård: One of the great things with cinema is it can touch on all the things that are inexplicable, that you cannot say in words. The narrative form of television is based on you not watching. It explains everything through dialogue so you can make pancakes at the same time. But cinema is the only place where you can do those silent things.

“Sentimental Value” says so much with wordless glances and still faces.

Trier: Now we’re speaking about Stellan’s character. That silent space, where words don’t work for that character and the trauma which can never be quite articulated, is also connected to the silent space where we hope that art can be created. It’s a bit of a yin and yang, but there’s something about the traumatic and the sublime that’s connected in the world. I see it all the time. I’ve spent my whole life hanging out with creative, wonderful people, and in ways that they can’t explain, you feel that you’re working through something. It might never be resolved, but you’re using what you can, you’re telling what you can.

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To end on the wonderful Joan Didion quote — a writer we all adore, of course — “We tell ourselves stories in order to live.” It’s a mystery to me, but the film is certainly trying to deal with that somehow.

Stellan Skarsgård and Joachim Trier pose illuminated in a circle of light

(Christina House / For The Times)

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‘Ben’Imana’ Review: Rwandan Women Confront National Wounds and Family Secrets in a Searing Drama

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‘Ben’Imana’ Review: Rwandan Women Confront National Wounds and Family Secrets in a Searing Drama

“I forgive” are the first words uttered by Vénéranda in Ben’Imana, but her ferocious gaze and the clamp of her arms across her chest tell a different story. At the center of a fine cast of mostly nonprofessional actors, Clémentine U. Nyirinkindi brings Vénéranda’s resolve and all her painful contradictions to life in Ben’Imana, a searing and intimate portrait of a nation’s reckoning.

Writer-director Marie-Clémentine Dusabejambo’s drama is set in the Rwandan village Kibeho in 2012. It’s the final year of the Gacaca courts, community tribunals focused on addressing the genocidal crimes committed, neighbor against neighbor, in the previous decade. Through the character’s complex and often tense relationships with her teenage daughter, her sister and her mother, as well as with other women in her village, Dusabejambo has crafted a story that’s both emblematic and achingly specific.

Ben’Imana

The Bottom Line

Mother courage.

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Venue: Cannes Film Festival (Un Certain Regard)
Cast: Clémentine U. Nyirinkindi, Kesia Kelly Nishimwe, Isabelle Kabano
Director: Marie-Clémentine Dusabejambo
Screenwriters: Marie-Clémentine Dusabejambo, Delphine Agut

1 hour 41 minutes

The person Vénéranda officially forgives in the opening scene is Karangwa (Aime Valens Tuyisenge), the man accused of murdering her siblings and other relatives. Of the eight children their mother (Arivere Kagoyire) raised, only Vénéranda and her sister Suzanne (a riveting Isabelle Kabano, who starred in Eric Barbier’s Small Country) survive. Suzanne’s fury is as explosive as her sister’s is contained. Contending to the judge (Adelite Mugabo) that Vénéranda “has no right to forgive on behalf of our family,” she’s determined to bring Karangwa to justice.

And she has no use for the community meetings that Vénéranda has begun leading, in her role as the district’s social affairs officer. Local women are invited to share still-raw memories, to grapple together with the kinds of things that would be immaterial to the courts. Their sessions are part of the country’s “Rwanditude” program, designed to reunite Rwandans after years of ethnic conflict and bloodshed.

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Just as mentions of ethnicity are verboten in the courts, there’s no such identification in these gatherings, no way of knowing whether any of these women is Tutsi or Hutu, whether her husband was murdered or is in prison for murdering, until she stands to tell her harrowing story. (The film’s title is a Kinyarwanda word that emphasizes a collective identity, rather than the ethnic divisions of Tutsi and Hutu that Rwanda’s European colonizers encouraged and enforced.)

The younger generation, personified by Vénéranda’s spirited daughter, Tina (Kesia Kelly Nishimwe), and her boyfriend, a low-key photographer named Richard (Elvis Ngabo), has grown up without ethnic labels. But while Vénéranda holds herself as a model of forgiveness to women in the group, she can’t see past Richard’s Hutu heritage, and she turns a cold heart to Tina when she becomes pregnant and is kicked out of school. “Neither Richard or his family has harmed me,” Tina points out reasonably, while her mother fumes with shame and judgment, her inner turmoil finding expression in a baffling hypocrisy.

As harsh as she can be, Vénéranda is a devoted caretaker of her mother, who has lost her voice as well as her memory and is the regal, silent watcher of the unfolding family drama. Vénéranda also tends to her sister, whose health was taken from her, along with her husband and child, during the attacks. Suzanne is electric with anger even as her physical strength dwindles. “Can’t you stop your bullshit on forgiveness?” she hisses at Vénéranda, and urges her to reveal certain long-hidden truths to Tina.

What binds these two is the depth of what they’ve endured, the unspeakable brutality; what divides them is how they respond to it. Ben’Imana offers no simple definitions of courage, but rather a feverishly human group portrait of its possible expressions, with the exceptional triumvirate of Nyirinkindi, Kabano and the radiant Nishimwe forming the story’s broken but still hopeful heart.

Dusabejambo, working from a screenplay she wrote in collaboration with Delphine Agut, is attentive to her characters’ pain and their resolve, mirrored in the vibrancy of the setting. With strong contributions from cinematographer Mostafa El Kashef, production designer Ricardo Sankara and editor Nadia Ben Rachid, the movie is cinematic in an utterly unforced way, from the first images of gently rolling hills and the sound of birdsong to the bright interiors of Vénéranda’s home and the gentle, lilting score by Igor Mabano. Just as a brief piece of voiceover narration notes that a single word, ejo, means yesterday and tomorrow, Ben’Imana contains whole worlds in one very specific here-and-now.

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Review: ‘Star Wars’ wends its way back to theaters via an unlikely duo in ‘The Mandalorian and Grogu’

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Review: ‘Star Wars’ wends its way back to theaters via an unlikely duo in ‘The Mandalorian and Grogu’

Nearly 50 years on from “Star Wars” and the launch of a media empire (large or small “e”? You decide), the fandom has become its own galaxy of warring planets. But based on the success of the streaming series “The Mandalorian,” set around the title bounty hunter, we can all agree that his charge Grogu — green, wrinkled, big-eyed Baby You-Know-Who — is still adorable. Of the many “Star Wars” offshoots, this seems to be the sturdiest.

The brand is back together for “The Mandalorian and Grogu,” which is a movie, a hoped-for franchise revival, a fourth season of sorts and an affable throwback. But it’s never quite riveting enough as canon or fodder to supplant anyone’s memories of [insert favorite “Star Wars” film here].

The expectations game was never going to help series creator Jon Favreau’s big-screen version, written with Dave Filoni and Noah Kloor. Granted, this upscaled, agreeably rangy treatment of an adventure storyline that wouldn’t have been out of place on the show could have attempted more. Especially when it puts sci-fi icon Sigourney Weaver in an X-wing pilot uniform as a veteran of the Rebellion, but barely gives her anything to do besides secure Mando a job and keep tabs on his progress. (Gang, try harder. It’s Sigourney Weaver.)

Aimed squarely at kids of all sizes, “Star Wars” has become a glorified tour of a billionaire’s expanding playworld and “The Mandalorian and Grogu” wants the track well-oiled, not bumpy. The simple pleasures here of good vs evil, IMAX hugeness and composer Ludwig Göransson’s space-opera-hits-the-club score, go down easy enough to not be aggravating. It’s a lot.

But it’s not this reviewer’s position to tell you what “a lot” is — loose lips spoil scripts. When the moment comes at an appropriately dangerous time for our heroes, we sense the kind of thing that only movies can do well when they’re myths writ large: slow things down, shift momentum away from the tyranny of exposition and let emotion, humor, wonder and character co-exist. “The Mandalorian and Grogu” takes the series’ thematic underpinnings — what parenting looks like between a masked human loner and an otherworldly toddler — and deepens them.

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The movie takes place in wonderfully detailed environments that evoke the earlier, beloved films. You’re not being pandered to, however; the payoff is a lovely echo. Elsewhere, the action set pieces are serviceably handled by Favreau. (One of them plays like, of all things, an homage to “The French Connection.”)

Otherwise, this is another hunt-and-retrieve narrative for the bounty hunter voiced by Pedro Pascal, physically embodied in armor by Brendan Wayne and, in combat, by fight choreographer Lateef Crowder. Still independent but New Republic-curious, Mando is tasked by Weaver’s Col. Ward to find a wayward scion of the slimy gangster Hutt clan, Rotta (voiced by Jeremy Allen White), whose return will unlock some important information. Of course, things don’t go as planned, which for a while is interesting — are the Hutts like the Corleones, perhaps? — until it’s not, because then the dialogue would need to rise above the level of a middle-school play.

That being said, one of the movie’s strong points, absent its story deficiencies, is that, across its many wordless scenes, it’s at heart a solidly rousing, delightfully icky creature feature, in the vein of a supercharged Ray Harryhausen-meets-Guillermo del Toro joint. “It’s a hard world for little things,” Lillian Gish famously says in “The Night of the Hunter,” a movie nobody will ever confuse with “The Mandalorian and Grogu.” But we all know summer fare like this is only ever as enjoyable as the monsters conjured up for conquering.

‘The Mandalorian and Grogu’

In English and Huttese, with subtitles

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Rated: PG-13, for sci-fi violence and action

Running time: 2 hours, 12 minutes

Playing: Opens Friday, May 22 in wide release

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‘Her Private Hell’ Review: Nicolas Winding Refn’s Trippy Return To Cinema

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Memories of cinema past and present come rushing at you like 2001’s Star Gate sequence in Nicolas Winding Refn’s Her Private Hell, his first return to cinema since 2016’s Neon Demon and his first project since dying for 20 minutes from a serious heart condition three years ago. Somehow, it was excluded from the Cannes Film Festival’s official competition in favor of films that look very much like 20th-century television, but so far Refn’s film is the only suggestion at this year’s event that one of its key directors is even remotely curious as to what the real future of film might look like — as opposed to a  mess of known IP and AI recreations of people who’ve been dead for 50 years. It seems the French, who once disdained le cinema du papa, have a little bit of catching-up to do.

The film it most closely corresponds to is last year’s Resurrection by China’s Bi Gan, another awake-dream that aims to haunt rather than entertain (although the two things are by no means mutually exclusive). In terms of art, it brings to mind ballet, since so much of what’s important in that medium is hardly what you’d call storytelling in the Hollywood narrative sense. To expand on that further, it would be impossible to discuss the power of this film without mentioning Pino Donaggio’s phenomenal score. Bringing much-needed context to Refn’s style-overload, Donaggio’s achingly emotional soundtrack guides the film in a way music hasn’t since the early silents, or the heyday of Powell & Pressburger, and even, at a push, the experimental films of Kenneth Anger.

What’s it about? Whatever you like. The setting is a surreal futuristic Japanese city of the most unrealistic high-rise kind, and at the story’s core is Elle (Sophie Thatcher), who is about to make a film with a younger influencer type named Hunter (Kristine Froseth). Hunter is obsessed with fame and obsessed with Elle, and the whole film draws quite heavily, in a similarly symbiotic way (whether knowingly or not), on Ingmar Bergman’s 1966 psychodrama Persona, which no genre director ever has ever not found endlessly fascinating. As they prepare for the shoot, Hunter meets Dominique (Havana Rose Liu), Elle’s former lover and now her father’s new wife. It’s a complication that obviously hurts, but Hunter is either slow on the uptake or, more likely, couldn’t really care less.

If we’re going to apply film-school formalism to a film that intends to live rent-free in your imagination whether you want it there or not, the “inciting incident” that the girls see a murder in a nearby tower block, and a young woman is defenestrated. It corresponds to the myth of The Leather Man, a tormented, Orpheus-like demon with piercing red eyes and razor-sharp diamond-studded gloves who stalks and kills young women in a bid to replace the daughter he lost to the underworld. We then jump-cut to a scene from a breathlessly exciting space movie, with Elle starring as the leader of an female sci-fi movie that looks like a fantastic space-opera version of Tarantino’s Fox Force Five and which serves as a reminder of Refn’s past interest in remaking Barbarella.

Things get more puzzling and more interesting — depending, of course, on your tolerance for ambiguity — with the arrival of Private K (Charles Melton), an American GI on the trail of The Leather Man, avenging mistreated women wherever he sees them, and drawn like a moth to the dress shop where he used to shop for his now-missing daughter. Private K isn’t at all connected to the main story, but as in Refn’s Thailand-set horror-thriller Only God Forgives, there is a sense that, somehow, justice can be willed into life in the east, and there is a sense that — perhaps — Elle has somehow summoned Private K into being, as the father she will never have.

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How does it all fit together? Well, it does and it doesn’t, and Refn leaves you alone to figure out the true significance of The Leather Man and his two fabulously gnomic assistants (Ms. S and Ms. T). The genius of Her Private Hell is that, like a kind of visual ASMR, it offers nothing really concrete, just a lot of satisfying triggers and sensory associations. The actors feel that energy too, and the performances almost dare you to follow them, experimenting wildly with their characters in ways that make only the most subliminal kind of sense.

Is it pretentious? You bet! But it’s the kind of pretension that’s been missing for far too long in cinema; where once critics used to applaud Luis Bunuel for casting two actresses as the same character in 1977’s That Obscure Object of Desire, now they castigate Christopher Nolan for putting Elliott Page in The Odyssey.

Her Private Hell is either for you or it isn’t and you’re either for it or you aren’t. Either way, this is a film that demands you pick a side.

Title: Her Private Hell
Festival: Cannes (Out of Competition)
Director: Nicolas Winding Refn
Screenwriter: Nicolas Winding Refn, Esti Giordani
Cast: Sophie Thatcher, Havana Rose Liu, Kristine Froseth, Charles Melton
Distributor: Neon
Running time: 1 hrs 49 mins

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