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To start or sit a rookie QB? That’s the question coaches, analysts keep debating

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During March’s league meetings, reporters huddled around Sean Payton, one of football’s quarterback philosopher kings.

Between questions lobbed in his direction and with the upcoming NFL Draft a primary focus, the Denver Broncos head coach shared what would later become more than a passing thought about rookie quarterbacks.

“There’s a topic that I see and read about sometimes, and you guys would know this,” Payton said inside a ballroom at the swanky Orlando Ritz-Carlton. “Is it better to sit behind a starter or get thrown into a fire?”

Payton highlighted the Green Bay Packers’ lineage of Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love and the benefits of the multiyear education each replacement received by watching a longtime starter still slinging at the peak of his powers.

“That’s invaluable,” Payton said. “And yet, there are times when you don’t have that luxury.”

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For those aware of history, the query may have sounded purely hypothetical. Denver’s last rookie Week 1 starting quarterback was John Elway in 1983. Payton, former coach of the New Orleans Saints, had never opened a regular season with a first-year passer under center.

One month later, with a roster lacking an obvious starter after releasing Russell Wilson, a Super Bowl champion but a poor fit for Payton’s scheme, the Broncos selected Oregon’s Bo Nix with the 12th overall pick. Payton’s hypothetical about the start-sit debate, one every franchise has faced over the decades, had become reality.

Denver drafting Nix meant six franchises in 2024 put themselves into this situation. Three plan to start their rookies in Week 1: the Chicago Bears and Washington Commanders, who drafted Heisman Trophy winners Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels, respectively, and the Broncos with Nix.

The duo selected with the first and second overall picks by organizations long searching for an answer at the sport’s most valued position were always considered part of this club. Nix’s summer work turned him into a potential member. Minnesota Vikings rookie J.J. McCarthy’s chances ended when he suffered a season-ending knee injury. The Patriots’ Drake Maye, the No. 3 pick, may quickly ascend New England’s quarterback depth chart.

Tennessee Titans first-time head coach Brian Callahan is among those who believe the sooner incoming quarterbacks start, the better.

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“That’s the one thing I’ve always believed,” said the ex-Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator who taught rookie day-one starter Joe Burrow. “The idea that quarterbacks learn more by sitting? I don’t subscribe to that.”


Broncos rookie quarterback Bo Nix chats with coach Sean Payton during the team’s rookie minicamp in May. (Matthew Stockman / Getty Images)

Organizational details are rarely the same, yet this highly scrutinized choice is always a defining moment.

Three-time Super Bowl-winning coach Andy Reid has tackled this matter before. The first start for Donovan McNabb, the Philadelphia Eagles’ No. 2 overall selection in the 1999 draft, came in Week 10. With Kansas City, Reid kept 2017 rookie Patrick Mahomes as Alex Smith’s backup except for an essentially meaningless Week 16 start despite the Chiefs boldly trading up from pick 27 to 10.

“The toughest thing for these young guys is the blitz game and the different coverages and disguises they’re coming into,” Reid said. “I believe in giving (the rookies) an opportunity, if you can, to see those things before you throw them in.”

With three titles in five Super Bowl appearances, plus other trips to the conference championship game, one can say waiting worked for Reid. However …

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“I think there’s no substitute for playing,” Callahan said. “There’s no easier way to learn lessons than going through them physically.”

Green Bay’s offensive-minded head coach Matt LaFleur’s experiences led to a different conclusion.

“I do believe that some guys, if they’re thrown in there too early, get scars and start to lose their confidence,” LaFleur said in Orlando.

C.J. Stroud, the 2023 Offensive Rookie of the Year, is a prime example of a passer who “comes in and lights the league on fire,” LaFleur said. Knowing most rookies won’t experience such steady highs, the Packers coach emphasized, “You want them to have a great knowledge base and maintain their confidence through the ups and the downs.”

A competitive player aware of Stroud’s exploits, Daniels recently told The Athletic, “Everybody’s path is different. C.J.’s rookie year was phenomenal. … Not too many rookies come in and do that.” At the same time, others needing more seasoning can “have a lot of success in the future.”

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No matter how bold or shaky the start-sit stance, one constant refrain from either camp sounds like a famous Whitney Houston lyric. The kid passers are our future. Teach and develop them well, and then let them lead the way. If only it were that simple.

“The hardest thing to do in sports, I think, is evaluate and develop a quarterback,” Commanders general manager Adam Peters said. “You want to make sure you do as much as you can to let them develop.”

The assessment from former NFL quarterback EJ Manuel, a 2013 first-round pick by Buffalo, comes from lived experiences.

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“You have to have an infrastructure in place around him for development. That’s the most important part. Fans don’t have that patience, but those in charge have to,” Manuel said.

“If you don’t, you’ll look up in two years and return to the same place.”


Ex-Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan worked with rookie quarterback Joe Burrow in 2020. (Joe Robbins / Getty Images)

McCarthy’s college coach and former NFL quarterback, Jim Harbaugh, altered his opinion over time.

The 1987 late first-round quarterback waited three seasons before becoming a full-time starter. That likely contributed to the new Los Angeles Chargers head coach previously sharing Reid’s broad view. The 14-year NFL veteran and coach of the 2012 NFC champion San Francisco 49ers once saw the “big jump” from college to the pros as comparable to J.V. to varsity and high school to college football.

Harbaugh turned to second-year quarterback Colin Kaepernick over the experienced Smith as the 2012 49ers pushed for a championship. Last college football season, with McCarthy, a two-year starter and future top-10 selection, Harbaugh coached Michigan to an undefeated national championship. Two months after winning the title, Harbaugh explained why he’d changed his tune.

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“I’ve noticed that jump is not as big anymore,” Harbaugh said in Orlando during the AFC coaches’ breakfast. “Guys are coming from high school to college, and the quarterback is one of those positions now where they’re ready. … Going from college to pro, they’re able and ready to play quicker. Why is that? Probably a bunch of reasons, but they are well-trained coming out of high school (and) college.”

After an extraordinary final college season that catapulted his draft stock, Daniels is a perfect avatar for Harbaugh’s stance.

“Jayden probably made more progress than any quarterback coming out in the last five or six years,” one scout told The Athletic before the draft.

Washington acquired veteran signal callers over the years, including McNabb, but there’s no hope like first-round pick quarterback hope. Daniels is the third since 2012 for Washington when Robert Griffin III had fans believing the team’s quarterback struggles were over.

Despite new coach Dan Quinn half-heartedly pushing a summer quarterback competition, there was little doubt Washington would immediately start the prized rookie.

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Though Daniels, 23, is older than some of his draft class peers, the Commanders never let him skip developmental steps.

“Let’s get really good, kick ass at this, and then we move on,” Quinn said this summer. “It doesn’t all have to be in one week or one month.”

The Commanders revamped nearly their entire football infrastructure before choosing Daniels, a five-year college starter at Arizona State and LSU who turns 24 in December.

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Hiring the defensive-minded Quinn brought a first-tier people-person to an organization desperately needing a hug. The offense’s “help wanted” sign remained until former Arizona Cardinals head coach Kliff Kingsbury was convinced to become Washington’s offensive coordinator.

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Kingsbury tutored Mahomes and Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel in college and guided another passer with access to the mythical Heisman House, the Cardinals’ Kyler Murray. That might be considered enough to aid Daniels. But the Commanders didn’t stop there.


There was little doubt new coach Dan Quinn and the Commanders would start No. 2 pick Jayden Daniels this fall. (Mitchell Leff / Getty Images)

Brian Johnson, the Eagles quarterbacks coach when 2020 second-round pick Jalen Hurts developed into an MVP candidate, became Washington’s assistant head coach and pass-game coordinator.

Quinn retained former Stanford quarterback Tavita Pritchard as Washington’s quarterbacks coach and hired David Blough, an active quarterback the previous five seasons, as the assistant quarterbacks coach. Super Bowl XXII hero Doug Williams returned to Washington’s front office.

“We got a bunch of former quarterbacks on the (staff),” said Kingsbury, a standout playmaker at Texas Tech. “Pointers, tips, things we can help him grow and expedite the process, we’re here for it.”

New England expanded its staff by hiring T.C. McCartney as its first quarterback coach in years. Former NFL quarterback — and recent Italian League player — Ryan Griffin joined Chicago’s staff.

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The purposeful signing of another Heisman winner, Marcus Mariota, put a mentor in Washington’s quarterback room for Daniels. The No. 2 selection by Tennessee in 2015, Mariota considers the first two seasons the best of his career partly due to the veterans in the Titans’ quarterback room “who took care of me. … We’re trying to create that type of atmosphere here for Jayden.”

Manuel could only dream of such infrastructure.

“I didn’t get that luxury,” he lamented.

Manuel, the 16th pick and the lone quarterback selected in the first round in 2013, started the first five games as a rookie despite undergoing meniscus surgery soon after the Bills’ second preseason game. Kevin Kolb, Buffalo’s ersatz version of experienced help, also suffered a preseason injury. That left Buffalo and first-year head coach Doug Marrone with three options: use undrafted free-agent rookie Jeff Tuel, acquire/pay another vet or rush Manuel’s recovery.

“They more or less turned to me and said, ‘Hey, it’s been three and a half weeks. Let’s get out there,’” Manuel recalled during a phone call last month. Though not fully recovered, the rookie obliged. Following a promising opening chapter, Manuel bookended his pain by injuring his other knee.

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He missed the next four regular-season games and six overall. Though he entered 2014 as Buffalo’s starter, Manuel was benched after four games. He didn’t throw another pass that season Marrone’s last season as the Bills’ head coach made three starts over the final two years of his rookie contract and was out of the league after the 2017 season.

Buffalo’s fixation on the short term rather than a years-long vision isn’t an anomaly.

Consecutive failures with top-three picks Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson punctuate the New York Jets’ eight-year stretch without a winning record. Both were traded after three seasons. In the quarterback desert after 2015 MVP Cam Newton lost his Superman cape, Carolina saw Darnold as a potential fix. That experiment fizzled. Two seasons later, the Panthers shipped a massive haul of assets to Chicago for the right to select Bryce Young first overall in 2023.

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Young endured a classic example of what happens when a newbie is paired with arguably the NFL’s most unstable franchise. The Panthers finished with a league-worst 2-15 record as Young was sacked 62 times. Meanwhile, having endured their version of quarterback purgatory for decades, the Bears drafted Williams No. 1 in April with a pick acquired from the Panthers.

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Manuel’s broad advice is to let young quarterbacks “sit at least the first six games” to learn the clutch details of the job. Ideally, and beyond organizational patience, that would require a proven starter already on the roster. Having drafted Michael Penix Jr. this spring at No. 8 after signing Kirk Cousins to a massive multiyear contract, Atlanta will likely continue this approach for at least two seasons. But the shortage of viable starters means not everyone has that luxury of time.


A first-round pick in 2013, EJ Manuel would start just 18 games in his five-year NFL career. (Sam Greenwood / Getty Images)

For those who want to turn to the data for unequivocal answers on how quickly to start a rookie quarterback, think again.

Analytics guru and defense-adjusted value over average (DVOA) creator Aaron Schatz has studied the options. “Every research project we’ve done on this has ended with this answer: ‘I don’t know.’”

Every side of this debate can cherry-pick Super Bowl titles and individual awards to claim conclusive proof. Schatz says only one standard for Year 1 exists when looking at outcomes for the 59 first-round quarterbacks this century.

“The typical norm for a rookie quarterback is to be below average,” said Schatz. “Even for a top pick or one who eventually turns out to be good.”

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Defining “franchise quarterback” is nebulous and, from a debate/conversation perspective, often exhausting. Since finding a player who will be under center for years beyond his rookie contract is the primary goal, exploring the paths for those first-round picks who did or didn’t receive a contract extension might be illuminating. The list, pulled from TruMedia, begins in 2000 but includes neither the three selected in 2023 nor this year’s six.

• Week 1 starters. Of the 22, eight received a second consecutive contract from their original team: Burrow, Joe Flacco, Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck, Murray, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford

• Debut before Week 7. Of the 43 rookies in this category, 13 received a second consecutive contract from their original team: the initial eight names, Josh Allen (Week 2 debut), Justin Herbert (2), Daniel Jones (3), Ben Roethlisberger (3), Alex Smith (5)

• Debut Week 7 or later. Of the 13 in this category, six received a second consecutive contract from their original team: Jared Goff (11), Lamar Jackson (11), Mahomes (16), Eli Manning (11), Tua Tagovailoa (8), Michael Vick (9)

• Starting debut after drafted season. Of the 10 rookies, six received a second consecutive contract from their original team: Daunte Culpepper, Jordan Love, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers

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By the money math, waiting beyond the first season might seem like the winning approach. LaFleur coached Rodgers, who began his career with three years as Favre’s backup, and Rodgers’ replacement, Love, a 2020 first-round selection. The luxury of having a four-time MVP meant not even considering rushing the Utah State alum’s development.

“It’s hard when a guy loses his confidence to recover from that,” LaFleur said.

David Carr never did entirely. Selected first overall in 2002 by the expansion Houston Texans, Carr started all 16 games as a rookie and was sacked 76 times. That remains the single-season high for any quarterback. Carr remained a full-time starter until 2006 and stayed on NFL rosters through 2012, but he never finished a season with over 16 touchdowns or a winning record as a starter.

The counterpoint? Peyton Manning, the first overall selection in 1998, led the league with 28 interceptions as the Colts went 3-13 in his rookie season. The smooth road to Canton began the following year.

Playing the waiting game is old school. Of the 10 quarterbacks making their first start in Year 2 or later, only Love was drafted after 2011. Love’s impressive first season as a starter led to him receiving a contract extension this summer that put him among the highest-paid quarterbacks.

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Before the draft, many expected the teams that selected Maye, 22, or McCarthy, 21, to allow a longer adjustment period for the inexperienced quarterbacks. The Patriots announced last week that Jacoby Brissett, a longtime spot starter and high-end backup, would be the Week 1 starter over Maye.

Landing on contending teams benefits any quarterback. Rodgers replaced Favre after Green Bay lost the NFC Championship Game following the 2007 season. Culpepper ascended to QB1 for a Vikings team coming off a 10-6 regular-season record and playoff appearance.

McCarthy’s injury officially gave Darnold a third and likely final chance to start, this time under the direction of head coach and play caller Kevin O’Connell.

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“So much depends on whether you have at least an average starter to use and the coach’s job security,” Manuel said. “Kevin O’Connell has that kind of time. He could have let J.J. McCarthy watch and learn before the knee injury.”

Based on a pre-draft interview with Daniels, Manuel dubbed him a “student of the game.” With a confident but even-keeled vibe, Daniels doesn’t back off the hype surrounding his draft status or the juxtaposition against RGIII, Stroud and other successful rookie quarterbacks.

“It’s going through the ups and downs, through adversity. I don’t compare myself to C.J.,” Daniels said. “It’s a competitive thing. I’m not coming in and expecting I will have a rookie year like that.”

Despite his analytical glass-half-empty analysis of rookie starters, Schatz conceded a silver lining.

“The expectation has to be that a rookie quarterback has to be bad, but there is hope,” he said. “That, at least, as a fan, gives you something to hang your hat on.”

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Quarterback Peyton Manning struggled mightily as a rookie for the Colts in 1998. But he gained valuable experience that would help him to a Hall of Fame career. (John Ruthroff / AFP via Getty Images)

Washington’s intrigue surrounding Daniels intensified with its pre-draft homework on the quarterback whose electric running, Peters said, “kind of takes your soul as a defense.” Then, the internal conversation shifted to how they could improve him, no matter the tutoring pace.

“Whether that takes three months or three games or whatever, putting somebody into a space before they’re ready can be detrimental,” Quinn said. “That can set you back. You don’t want any setbacks.”

Coaches sought to protect Daniels this summer, emphasizing reps in two joint practices over preseason action, even if the rookie sometimes couldn’t quiet his aggressive nature. Quinn worked with Daniels in the preseason on the timing of his pregame routine while trainers helped set a weekly regimen.

The effort must go both ways — and it has. Daniels impressed teammates with his crack-of-dawn agenda by consistently beating them to Washington’s practice facility. Terry McLaurin lauded the rookie’s penchant for staying late to work with receivers, something Daniels did last week after the Commanders signed ex-Texan Noah Brown.

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Washington’s vision of altering its locker room culture included acquiring several notable veterans. In between basketball trash-talking with Bobby Wagner — and the linebacker calling out the offense’s play in practice — Daniels picks the brain of the future Hall of Famer for confirmation on what he sees with the defensive scheme.

Coordinators “get you figured out and make you so confused or play a little bit slower,” said Manuel, an ACC Network and SiriusXM college football analyst. “That half-second leads to tipped balls and interceptions and sacks.”

And in some instances, failure. History shows that only some teams are well equipped to help those attempting to play this fragile position.

Don’t blame salaries. The 2011 collective bargaining agreement severely limited rookie contract loot. “It’s not the money,” Manuel said. “Guys don’t get paid like Sam Bradford anymore. Maybe it is just the excitement, the unknown.”

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Reid cites human nature. “People aren’t patient, so fan bases are impatient,” he said. “A lot of times, it can put a lot of pressure on that player.”

On the other hand, some feel that waiting a half-season or longer to play a highly drafted quarterback won’t help them eliminate negative qualities.

“There are hard lessons to learn in this position. They need to play, and they need to learn them,” Callahan said. Tennessee’s coach inherited strong-armed 2023 second-round pick and nine-game rookie starter Will Levis. “I think that the more that happens quickly, the better.”

There are few conclusions in the start or sit debate, but Washington and other teams with first-round rookies now and in the future must take logical steps toward helping the cause. Otherwise, history is bound to repeat itself.

(Top photo of Jayden Daniels: Mitchell Leff / Getty Images)

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HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL

WEDNESDAY’S RESULTS
BOYS
CITY SECTION
Arleta 61, Chavez 21
Bernstein 51, RFK Community 40
Bravo 70, Roosevelt 63
Canoga Park 68, Reseda 21
Carson 52, Wilmington Banning 44
Central City Value 51, Animo Bunche 46
Chatsworth 69, Sylmar 52
Contreras 51, Mendez 40
Diego Rivera 58, Iovine and Young Center 30
Downtown Magnets 96, Annenberg 20
Fairfax 65, LA University 26
Foshay 94, Horace Mann UCLA Community 49
Garfield 66, South East 33
Granada Hills Kennedy 52, Van Nuys 38
Hawkins 80, Port of Los Angeles 72
Huntington Park 51, South Gate 38
Jefferson 74, Santee 63
King/Drew 58, LA Jordan 52
LACES 38, Westchester 36
LA Hamilton 82, LA Wilson 65
Lincoln 56, Hollywood 40
Locke 60, Dymally 21
Los Angeles 70, Angelou 32
MSAR 39, Bert Corona Charter 38
MSCP 108, Stella 22
Orthopaedic 67, Aspire Ollin 18
Palisades 75, Venice 55
San Fernando 89, Panorama 38
Washington 86, Crenshaw 56
West Adams 58, Manual Arts 48

SOUTHERN SECTION
Ambassador 53, NOVA Academy 42
Anaheim Canyon 77, Norte Vista 63
Apple Valley 92, Barstow 87
Arcadia 58, Pasadena 53
Arroyo 58, El Rancho 51
Banning 61, Rubidoux 57
Bassett 56, EF Academy 30
Capistrano Valley 59, Laguna Beach 47
Chino Hills 68, Corona Santiago 62
Coachella Valley 59, Cathedral City 38
Corona Centennial 79, Calvary Chapel 30
Corona del Mar 64, Great Oak 43
CSDR 59, La Sierra Academy 28
Edgewood 53, Santa Ana Valley 23
Elsinore 65, Murrieta Valley 60
Estancia 64, Nogales 25
Etiwanda 58, Cypress 42
Foothill Tech 49, St. Bonaventure 46
Fountain Valley 65, Irvine University 47
Garden Grove 62, Magnolia 40
Glendora 70, Brea Olinda 65
Glenn 67, Eastside Christian 12
Grace 51, Villanova Prep 38
Heritage Christian 53, Aquinas 29
Holy Martyrs Armenian 60, Calvary Baptist 48
Knight 80, Palmdale 41
La Canada 67, La Puente 21
La Habra 59, Huntington Beach 50
La Palma Kennedy 38, Garden Grove Pacifica 36
Los Alamitos 89, Cerritos 54
Los Altos 83, Savanna 56
Marina 70, Ocean View 37
Mater Dei 90, Jurupa Hills 70
Mayfair 63, Warren 54
Millikan 61, Leuzinger 43
Mission Viejo 67, Sage Hill 60
Monrovia 67, Pomona 22
Montclair 62, Patriot 61
Oaks Christian 77, Simi Valley 32
Orange Vista 72, Heritage 61
Pacific Lutheran 65, Animo Leadership 51
PACS 60, Santa Clarita Christian 46
Paloma Valley 55, Moreno Valley 50
Pasadena Poly 59, Gabrielino 39
Peninsula 61, Temescal Canyon 53
Quartz Hill 73, Lancaster 53
Rancho Verde 83, Sonora 71
Redlands East Valley 81, Grand Terrace 41
Rialto 65, Granite Hills 23
Riverside King 79, Arlington 42
Rolling Hills Prep 79, CAMS 23
Samueli Academy 47, Century 42
San Gabriel 67, Pasadena Marshall 41
Santa Ana 48, Orange 35
Santa Barbara Providence 86, Oak Grove 34
Sierra Canyon 89, Rancho Christian 57
Silver Valley 68, Western Christian 57
Silverado 61, Ridgecrest Burroughs 24
South Hills 36, West Covina 35
St. John Bosco 62, Fairmont Prep 56
St. Pius X-St. Matthias Academy 83, Whittier 40
Valley View 65, Vista del Lago 64
Vasquez 76, St. Genevieve 68
Verbum Dei 64, Long Beach Wilson 58
Westlake 75, Buckley 62

INTERSECTIONAL
Alemany 66, Granada Hills 65
Duarte 69, CHAMPS 28
Garces Memorial 58, Paraclete 49
Legacy Christian Academy 66, Birmingham 47
Mira Mesa 60, Murrieta Mesa 48
Newport Beach Pacifica Christian 66, Seattle (WA) King’s 35
Rancho Mirage 65, Brawley 58
SEED: LA 85, Magnolia Science Academy 21

GIRLS
CITY SECTION
Animo Bunche 35, Central City Value 33
Annenberg 38, Downtown Magnets 4
Arleta 68, Chavez 6
Bell 50, Legacy 15
Carson 36, Wilmington Banning 33
Diego Rivera 47, Iovine and Young Center 3
Foshay 39, Horace Mann UCLA Community 25
Garfield 62, South East 31
Granada Hills Kennedy 72, Van Nuys 8
Hawkins 79, Port of Los Angeles 32
Huntington Park 57, South Gate 17
LA Fairfax 40, LA University 19
LA Wilson 64, Elizabeth 6
Locke 30, Dymally 10
Los Angeles 30, Angelou 28
Mendez 19, Contreras 16
MSCP 46, Stella 15
Palisades 60, Venice 56
Reseda 36, Canoga Park 18
RFK Community 44, Bernstein 32
San Fernando 54, Panorama 18
San Pedro 78, Rancho Dominguez 7
Verdugo Hills 47, North Hollywood 36
West Adams 51, Manual Arts 12
Westchester 84, LACES 34

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SOUTHERN SECTION
Acaciawood 39, Liberty Christian 10
Alemany 74, YULA 34
Aliso Niguel 52, Capistrano Valley 29
Apple Valley 51, Barstow 21
Arcadia 59, Pasadena 29
Banning 33, Rubidoux 16
Carpinteria 54, Nordhoff 39
Carter 65, La Sierra 23
Citrus Valley 56, Perris 30
Colony 45, Fontana 42
Compton Centennial 41, San Gabriel Academy 36
CSDR 66, La Sierra Academy 8
Dana Hills 45, Northwood 40
Dominguez 56, La Puente 24
Fillmore 46, Channel Islands 34
Flintridge Sacred Heart 51, Burbank Providence 32
Garden Grove 33, Los Amigos 29
Glendora 67, Patriot 27
Heritage 74, Chaparral 37
Hesperia Christian 45, Arrowhead Christian 33
Indian Springs 47, Tahquitz 42
La Serna 57, La Habra 28
Long Beach Wilson 46, Whitney 42
Los Amigos 37, Santa Ana Valley 28
Milken 53, Notre Dame Academy 39
Montclair 33, Arroyo 19
Norwalk 66, Workman 24
Ontario Christian 98, Sherman Oaks Notre Dame 25
Pasadena Poly 65, Westridge 9
Redlands 60, Arlington 29
Redondo Union 50, Harvard-Westlake 37
Rosamond 57, Desert 13
Rosary Academy 70, Wiseburn Da Vinci 39
St. Lucy’s 25, Bloomington 11
St. Margaret’s 52, El Toro 46
Sunny Hills 47, Paramount 40
Temecula Valley 42, Desert Christian Academy 35
Thousand Oaks 63, Canyon Country Canyon 43
Upland 39, Temescal Canyon 38
Vista Murrieta 48, Ayala 47
Walnut 52, Millikan 40
Yorba Linda 44, Northview 28

INTERSECTIONAL
Birmingham 52, La Canada 41
Centennial (CO) Eagle Crest
Gertz-Ressler 36, Beverly Hills 31

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Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds are likely down to their final at-bat when it comes to getting into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

The two missed out on their latest attempt of getting a spot in Cooperstown through the Contemporary Era Committee on Sunday. The 16-member panel voted for former San Francisco Giants and Houston Astros star Jeff Kent to get his place in the hallowed halls.

Second baseman Jeff Kent #21 of the San Francisco Giants walks on the infield during the MLB game against the Los Angeles Dodgers on Sept. 19, 2002 at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, California. (Stephen Dunn/Getty Images)

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Baseball Hall of Fame Chair Jane Forbes Clark said Monday she believed Clemens and Bonds were turned down again because the committee members evaluate those who thrived in the Steroid Era in the same manner as baseball writers.

“I’m not surprised because I think there’s overlap and obviously discussions among the writers, and we have writers represented on that committee,” Clark said.

Bonds has denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs during his career. Clemens maintains he’s never used PEDs either. President Donald Trump also gave Clemens his backing before the committee voted.

ROGER CLEMENS, BARRY BONDS MISS OUT ON LATEST CHANCE TO ENTER BASEBALL HALL OF FAME

In this July 19, 2007, file photo, San Francisco Giants’ Barry Bonds hits a three-run home run during the seventh inning of a baseball game against the Chicago Cubs in Chicago. (AP Photo/M. Spencer Green, File)

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The Baseball Hall of Fame announced last March that candidates who received fewer than five votes from the 16-person panel are not eligible for that committee’s ballot during the next three-year cycle. A candidate who is dropped later reappears on a ballot and again receives fewer than five votes would be barred from future ballot appearances.

If Clemens and Bonds reappear on the committee’s ballot in 2031 and fail to get five votes, they would be barred from future appearances unless the rules are changed again.

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“What’s lovely about it is it’s going to open up spots on the ballot so that more people can be reviewed,” Clark said. “They certainly can come back in six years, in ‘31, but between now and then some other people will have a chance because I think that’s really important.”

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Prepare for lots of tears this weekend at the CIF state championship football games in Orange County.

“No doubt,” Ventura High quarterback Derek Garcia said.

Seniors are playing in their final high school football games. Others will never play again unless it’s intramural football. And others are heading off to college in a matter of days as scholarship athletes, so win or lose, change is coming, which will challenge emotions when reality sets in.

“It’s been a great feeling all week knowing this will be my final high school game because most of the time you go in it’s up in the air,” Garcia said. “Win and you keep going or lose and you go home. It’s a great feeling we made it this far and we’re in the last possible game to play. We’re ready to go.”

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Garcia has been playing for his father, Tim, Ventura’s head coach, for years. Now it will end on Friday in a Division 3-AA final against San Francisco St. Ignatius at 8 p.m. at Fullerton High before heading off to Nevada Las Vegas.

“It’s hard sometimes, but it’s been able to bring us so many memories and so many great times together,” Garcia said. “It’s been an awesome journey and wouldn’t want it any other way.”

Some of the teams in state championship games are playing in their 16th game in a long, memorable season.

“It’s been cool to still be playing,” Garcia said.

On Jan. 18, he moves into his UNLV dorm, driving his truck and relying on his parents to help him move. But will his mom let him leave the family nest?

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“We’ll see when the day comes,” he said.

Yes, it’s that time for tears from football players and their parents.

There’s a tripleheader on Saturday at Saddleback College that should produce memorable games.

Open Division

De La Salle (12-0) vs. Santa Margarita (10-3), 8 p.m.

A Northern California team has not won in the state’s highest division since 2015. De La Salle’s speed could produce some big plays against the state’s best defense, particularly if 100-meter record holder Jaden Jefferson gets room to run. But Santa Margarita has its own big-play weapon in Trent Mosley, who had 10 catches for 292 yards two weeks ago against Corona Centennial. The pick: Santa Margarita.

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Division 1-A

Oxnard Pacifica (15-0) vs. Fresno Central East (13-1), 3:30 p.m.

This is a battle of junior quarterbacks. Pacifica’s Taylor Lee has has passed for 3,742 yards and 51 touchdowns. East has passed for 4,298 yards and 56 touchdowns. If you like offense, this could be the most entertaining game. The pick: Pacifica.

Division 2-A

Rio Hondo Prep (15-0) vs. Sonora (14-0), 11:30 a.m.

This is the game where small schools finally get the spotlight. Both love to run the ball, so the game might get completed in less than two hours. Sonora rushed for 340 yards in its regional final. Rio Hondo Prep had 263 yards rushing and attempted one pass. The pick: Sonora.

Division: 3-AA

Ventura (13-2) vs. San Francisco St. Ignatius (8-6), 8 p.m., Friday, at Fullerton High

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Garcia has passed for 3,360 yards and 36 touchdowns and has rushed for 750 yards and 12 touchdowns. The Cougars also have Oregon-bound linebacker Tristan Phillips. St. Ignatius is on a six-game winning streak after getting more consistent play at quarterback. The pick: Ventura.

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