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A Simple Experiment Reveals Why It’s So Hard to Measure R.F.K. Jr.’s Support

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A Simple Experiment Reveals Why It’s So Hard to Measure R.F.K. Jr.’s Support

On top of all the other challenges that pollsters have faced in the past two presidential elections, this year has an additional, potentially significant, complication: a well-known third-party candidate.

Measuring support for third-party candidates has long been a particular challenge for pollsters. But it has been decades since the country has seen a third-party candidate as prominent as Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has an average of about 10 percent of the vote in national polls.

Historically, polls overstate support for third-party candidates. When it comes to Mr. Kennedy, the biggest question may be by how much.

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Consider this: In a two-part experiment conducted by The New York Times and the research firm Ipsos, a seemingly subtle difference across two versions yielded significantly different results for Mr. Kennedy.

What’s more, a candidate who is not on the ballot anywhere — a Times editor picked for inclusion thanks to his generic-sounding name — received a non-negligible share of support, highlighting just how much support for third-party candidates can come down to frustration with major-party candidates and a yearning for more options.

What does this all mean? It’s tempting to interpret these results as ungenerous to both voters and to polling. But the results say something real about how preferences work, and the central conundrum when it comes to third-party candidates. (This experiment is separate from Times/Siena College polling, though it was conducted with the same standards and rigor that we apply to all of our polling.)

In short: Much of what influences third-party candidate support isn’t just a straightforward desire to see that person become president. This poses a challenge for pollsters no matter what they do: Simply by listing third-party candidates, a poll might overstate their support. If a poll doesn’t list them, however, it can’t capture their support at all.

This year, to combat that concern, many reputable pollsters ask both versions of the question: one that poses a simple head-to-head contest between major-party candidates, and one that includes third-party candidates who may be on the ballot.

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And which question gets asked first is where the difference comes in.

Question order matters

Here is the longer question asked by Times/Ipsos that includes the full field:

The first two major-party candidates were rotated with each other, and the third-party candidates were rotated separately.

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It contains a total of six options: the major-party candidates, the three established third-party candidates who have achieved ballot access in at least one swing state, and our wild card, William Davis, at No. 6.

And this is the shorter question that includes just President Biden vs. Donald J. Trump:

Our experiment worked like this: All respondents were shown both the long and short questions, but half were shown the full list first, and the other half were first shown the two-way race.

Among those who saw the long list first, Mr. Kennedy garnered 7 percent of the vote.

But among those respondents who encountered the head-to-head contest before seeing the full list, Mr. Kennedy’s support shot up six percentage points to 13 percent.

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Why the increase, if the questions are the same? There are many factors that can explain this, but it is at least partly related to a phenomenon that pollsters call expressive responding. This is when people might use a survey response to show their frustration or express a particular feeling that’s not exactly what is being asked.

In this case, many respondents seem to be using the second question to convey frustration with the choices for president in the first question, whether or not their answers reflect their full views. When respondents have already been given a chance to express their support for one of the two major-party candidates, they seem to be more likely to register a protest of that first choice with their response to the fuller ballot. Some of the respondents given the longer list first are also probably expressing their frustration with the major-party candidates, but our results help demonstrate that effect is magnified when the longest list of candidates is asked second.

[You can find the full results of the poll, including the exact questions that were asked and how the poll was conducted, here.]

That might also explain why Mr. Davis, the Times editor who has no aspirations for higher office, won the support of about 1.5 percent of respondents, putting him on par with an actual Libertarian Party candidate. His support was only slightly lower among respondents who saw the third-party candidates first — evidence that voter frustration, though less pronounced under that scenario, still exists.

What’s more, Mr. Davis gets 4 percent among voters who feel unfavorably toward Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump.

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The effects of this phenomenon show up when looking across many high-quality polls. Among 11 recent national polls, those that listed third-party candidates as the second question generally saw higher support for those candidates when compared with the polls that showed third-party candidates as the first question. (In the latest Times/Siena battleground polls released Monday, Mr. Kennedy was listed in the first question and received 10 percent support across the six states.)

An experiment like this can help us get a rough sense of how much support for Mr. Kennedy, and other third-party candidates, might come from voters expressing their frustration. But it also puts into perspective just how much his support can vary across polls and how hard it is to judge his real support.

It also illustrates some of the limitations surveys face. Pollsters can rely only on what voters tell us, and even voters themselves might not have fully thought through some of these questions.

Are voters consciously telling us they plan to vote for Mr. Kennedy, knowing that in the end they might support one of the two major-party candidates? Probably not. But they might be considering their options at a time when these decisions feel fairly abstract.

Is Kennedy a unique case?

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History shows that third-party candidates often poll best in the spring and summer before an election — when everything feels fairly hypothetical — but lose steam as the election nears. Looking back at some of the strongest modern third-party candidates like Ross Perot or John Anderson, they often follow a similar path: strong support early in the race that slowly recedes by Election Day.

There’s at least one reason to believe Mr. Kennedy’s support may last longer: his name. In the Times/Siena battleground polls, we asked his supporters why they planned to vote for him. While most listed distaste for the alternatives as their motivation, for a handful — about 7 percent — his family is exactly why they are supporting him, even as many of his relatives have disavowed his candidacy. As one respondent put it: “Because he is a Kennedy.”

But current conditions are also ripe to have inflated third-party support. The two major-party candidates are deeply unpopular, providing an outlet for the type of expressive responding that pollsters worry about. And in our latest Times/Siena swing state polls, support for Mr. Kennedy appeared weak. Only about 30 percent of his supporters said they definitely planned to vote for him, compared with nearly 80 percent of Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden’s supporters who said they definitely planned to vote for their candidate.

So perhaps Mr. Davis, the Times editor, should not consider giving up his job and hitting the campaign trail anytime soon. But poll consumers should consider that even the best polls are imperfect, and it’s important to understand potential sources of error.

This year, Mr. Kennedy’s support is likely a big one.

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Trump Says ‘Only Time Will Tell’ How Long U.S. Controls Venezuela

President Trump did not say exactly how long the the United states would control Venezuela, but said that it could last years.

“How Long do you think you’ll be running Venezuela?” “Only time will tell. Like three months. six months, a year, longer?” “I would say much longer than that.” “Much longer, and, and —” “We have to rebuild. You have to rebuild the country, and we will rebuild it in a very profitable way. We’re going to be using oil, and we’re going to be taking oil. We’re getting oil prices down, and we’re going to be giving money to Venezuela, which they desperately need. I would love to go, yeah. I think at some point, it will be safe.” “What would trigger a decision to send ground troops into Venezuela?” “I wouldn’t want to tell you that because I can’t, I can’t give up information like that to a reporter. As good as you may be, I just can’t talk about that.” “Would you do it if you couldn’t get at the oil? Would you do it —” “If they’re treating us with great respect. As you know, we’re getting along very well with the administration that is there right now.” “Have you spoken to Delcy Rodríguez?” “I don’t want to comment on that, but Marco speaks to her all the time.”

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President Trump did not say exactly how long the the United states would control Venezuela, but said that it could last years.

January 8, 2026

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Trump calls for $1.5T defense budget to build ‘dream military’

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President Donald Trump called for defense spending to be raised to $1.5 trillion, a 50% increase over this year’s budget. 

“After long and difficult negotiations with Senators, Congressmen, Secretaries, and other Political Representatives, I have determined that, for the Good of our Country, especially in these very troubled and dangerous times, our Military Budget for the year 2027 should not be $1 Trillion Dollars, but rather $1.5 Trillion Dollars,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Thursday evening. 

“This will allow us to build the “Dream Military” that we have long been entitled to and, more importantly, that will keep us SAFE and SECURE, regardless of foe.” 

The president said he came up with the number after tariff revenues created a surplus of cash. He claimed the levies were bringing in enough money to pay for both a major boost to the defense budget “easily,” pay down the national debt, which is over $38 trillion, and offer “a substantial dividend to moderate income patriots.”

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President Donald Trump called for defense spending to be raised to $1.5 trillion, a 50% increase over this year’s record budget.  (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

The boost likely reflects efforts to fund Trump’s ambitious military plans, from the Golden Dome homeland missile defense shield to a new ‘Trump class’ of battleships.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget found that the increased budget would cost about $5 trillion from 2027 to 2035, or $5.7 trillion with interest. Tariff revenues, the group found, would cover about half the cost – $2.5 trillion or $3 trillion with interest. 

The Supreme Court is expected to rule in a major case Friday that will determine the legality of Trump’s sweeping tariff strategy.

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This year the defense budget is expected to breach $1 trillion for the first time thanks to a $150 billion reconciliation bill Congress passed to boost the expected $900 billion defense spending legislation for fiscal year 2026. Congress has yet to pass a full-year defense budget for 2026.

Some Republicans have long called for a major increase to defense spending to bring the topline total to 5% of GDP, as the $1.5 trillion budget would do, up from the current 3.5%.

The boost likely reflects efforts to fund Trump’s ambitious military plans, from the Golden Dome homeland missile defense shield to a new ‘Trump class’ of battleships. (Lockheed Martin via Reuters)

Trump has ramped up pressure on Europe to increase its national security spending to 5% of GDP – 3.5% on core military requirements and 1.5% on defense-related areas like cybersecurity and critical infrastructure.

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Trump’s budget announcement came hours after defense stocks took a dip when he condemned the performance rates of major defense contractors. In a separate Truth Social post he announced he would not allow defense firms to buy back their own stocks, offer large salaries to executives or issue dividends to shareholders. 

“Executive Pay Packages in the Defense Industry are exorbitant and unjustifiable given how slowly these Companies are delivering vital Equipment to our Military, and our Allies,” he said. 

“​Defense Companies are not producing our Great Military Equipment rapidly enough and, once produced, not maintaining it properly or quickly.”

U.S. Army soldiers stand near an armored military vehicle on the outskirts of Rumaylan in Syria’s northeastern Hasakeh province, bordering Turkey, on March 27, 2023.  (Delil Souleiman/AFP via Getty Images)

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Stock buybacks, dividends and executive compensation are generally governed by securities law, state corporate law and private contracts, and cannot be broadly restricted without congressional action.

An executive order the White House released Wednesday frames the restrictions as conditions on future defense contracts, rather than a blanket prohibition. The order directs the secretary of war to ensure that new contracts include provisions barring stock buybacks and corporate distributions during periods of underperformance, non-compliance or inadequate production, as determined by the Pentagon.

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Newsom moves to reshape who runs California’s schools under budget plan

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Gov. Gavin Newsom on Thursday unveiled a sweeping proposal to overhaul how California’s education system is governed, calling for structural changes that he said would shift oversight of the Department of Education and redefine the role of the state’s elected schools chief.

The proposal, which is part of Newsom’s state budget plan that will be released Friday, would unify the policymaking State Board of Education with the department, which is responsible for carrying out those policies. The governor said the change would better align education efforts from early childhood through college.

“California can no longer postpone reforms that have been recommended regularly for a century,” Newsom said in a statement. “These critical reforms will bring greater accountability, clarity, and coherence to how we serve our students and schools.”

Few details were provided about how the role of the state superintendent of public instruction would change, beyond a greater focus on fostering coordination and aligning education policy.

The changes would require approval from state lawmakers, who will be in the state Capitol on Thursday for Newsom’s last State of the State speech in his final year as governor.

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The proposal would implement recommendations from a 2002 report by the state Legislature, titled “California’s Master Plan for Education,” which described the state’s K-12 governance as fragmented and “with overlapping roles that sometimes operate in conflict with one another, to the detriment of the educational services offered to students.” Newsom’s office said similar concerns have been raised repeatedly since 1920 and were echoed again in a December 2025 report by research center Policy Analysis for California Education.

“The sobering reality of California’s education system is that too few schools can now provide the conditions in which the State can fairly ask students to learn to the highest standards, let alone prepare themselves to meet their future learning needs,” the Legislature’s 2002 report stated. Those most harmed are often low-income students and students of color, the report added.

“California’s education governance system is complex and too often creates challenges for school leaders,” Edgar Zazueta, executive director of the Assn. of California School Administrators, said in a statement provided by Newsom’s office. “As responsibilities and demands on schools continue to increase, educators need governance systems that are designed to better support positive student outcomes.”

The current budget allocated $137.6 billion for education from transitional kindergarten through the 12th grade — the highest per-pupil funding level in state history — and Newsom’s office said his proposal is intended to ensure those investments translate into more consistent support and improved outcomes statewide.

“For decades the fragmented and inefficient structure overseeing our public education system has hindered our students’ ability to succeed and thrive,” Ted Lempert, president of advocacy group Children Now, said in a statement provided by the governor’s office. “Major reform is essential, and we’re thrilled that the Governor is tackling this issue to improve our kids’ education.”

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