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Testy moments, abortion and billionaires. Takeaways from the Wisconsin Supreme Court debate

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Testy moments, abortion and billionaires. Takeaways from the Wisconsin Supreme Court debate


Supreme Court candidates Brad Schimel and Susan Crawford crossed swords repeatedly during a testy Wednesday debate, arguing with one another about abortion, union rights and Elon Musk.

“That’s a lie,” Schimel, a conservative Waukesha County judge, said at one point.

At another, Crawford, a liberal Dane County judge, accused Schimel of backing away from his support of an 1849 abortion ban. Schimel, meanwhile, suggested that Crawford was retreating in her opposition to voter ID and Act 10 public union law, two measures that she went to court to try to overturn.

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Both also tried to distance themselves from their biggest financial supporters — Musk in Schimel’s case and Democratic megadonor George Soros for Crawford.

“Elon Schimel is trying to buy this race, and people are very upset about that,” Crawford said.

The debate is the first and only time the two candidates face off before the April 1 election. The event was hosted and moderated by Matt Smith and Gerron Jordan, co-hosts of the station’s public affairs show “UPFRONT” on WISN-TV (Channel 12).

The two are vying for the seat being vacated in the upcoming departure of liberal Justice Ann Walsh Bradley, who is not seeking re-election. All seven members of the Supreme Court attended the debate at Marquette University.

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The partisan spending and advocacy in the only nominally nonpartisan race have highlighted the stakes of the election, in which voters will decide whether liberals or conservatives control the state’s highest court.

Here are takeaways from the debate:

Debate comes as poll shows candidates are not well known to voters

The debate comes just a week after the release of a Marquette University Law School poll that found a large percentage of Wisconsin voters still don’t have an opinion about the two candidates.

Schimel was viewed favorably by 29% of the registered voters and unfavorably by 32%. About two out of five said they had no opinion of him.

Crawford was given favorable ratings by 19% of the voters, compared to 23% who viewed her unfavorably. Nearly three out of five said they don’t know enough about her.

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Crawford accuses Schimel of backpeddling on 1849 abortion ban

Crawford attacked her opponent early in the debate for weighing in on Supreme Court cases before the election, pointing at his past comments on the 1849 abortion ban. She noted that he once said the measure was “valid.”

But Schimel said he simply meant the bill had been passed by both houses of the Legislature and signed by the governor. The question, he said, is whether the law reflects the will of the voters today. He has said he would support a referendum on abortion, though the state doesn’t have a system that allows voters to pass legislation on their own.

“My opponent has said he believes the 1849 law in Wisconsin is valid law.” Crawford said. “He’s trying to backpeddle from that position now.”

Overall, Crawford and Schimel are deeply divided on the issue of abortion.

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Schimel opposes abortion but recently said he would respect voters’ “will” on the issue.

Crawford has called the 2022 U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade that struck down the constitutional right to abortion “wrong.” And she says she’s proud of her record “fighting for our fundamental rights and freedoms.”

The Supreme Court will decide soon whether it believes an 1849 abortion ban is the law of the state.

Schimel has come under criticism for saying that the liberal majority, made up of four women, were “driven by their emotions” during oral arguments. He has said he did not point to the justices’ gender while leveling the criticism.

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Both candidates have said they will not let their personal beliefs affect their rulings if elected to the high court.

Billionaires come under attack for their support of two candidates

Schimel emphasized repeatedly that he doesn’t control how outside groups and individuals, including Musk, express their support for him. He declined to disavow his backing from Musk.

“I’m looking for the endorsement of the Wisconsin voters,” Schimel said. He said he would treat Musk like anyone else if he were to appear in his courtroom.

But Schimel attacked Crawford for her support from Soros, saying he had favored defunding police and allowing felons on the streets. “He’s a dangerous person,” Schimel said.

Crawford turned the conversation back to Musk. She said he has made cuts to the federal government that could have an impact on people, including trimming the number of air traffic controllers and those studying avian flu.

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“Talk about somebody who’s been dangerous,,” Crawford said.

Two Musk-funded groups — America PAC and Building America’s Future — have spent more than $10 million helping Schimel in the race by airing TV and digital ads, canvassing and texting. America PAC, Musk’s super PAC, has tried to turn the race into a forum on President Donald Trump by saying Schimel will support the Republican president’s agenda on the court.

Musk has become a highly controversial figure nationally for slashing the federal government in his role as head of Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency. Musk, the wealthiest person in the world, spent some $288 million helping Trump’s election victory in November, including paying for voter outreach in Wisconsin.

For her part, Crawford has come under fire for receiving money from prominent billionaires, including $1 million from Soros, $500,000 from Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker and $250,000 from LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, donations to the state Democratic Party that were funneled to Crawford’s campaign.

Crawford defends her record on sexual assault cases

Schimel criticized Crawford for the sentence she handed down in a case involving someone who repeatedly raped a 5-year-old. He said the victim had to testify at trial, and a jury convicted the man. But under the sentence handed down by Crawford, the felon spent only two years behind bars after sentencing.

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“This is a dangerous flaw in my opponent’s judgment,” Schimel said.

Crawford pushed back, saying her opponent and other conservative groups are hitting her over her sentences in two cases. She said both individuals are still on extended supervision and will be on the sex offender registry the rest of their lives.

Neither individual, she said, has re-offended. She said the same could not be said in some of Schimel’s cases.

“They have focused on two cases out of thousands that have handled, where I sentence people to prison and then follow that with several years of extended supervision,” she said.

In fact, both sides have criticized the other as being soft on crime. At the debate, the two even got into whether Crawford was officially a prosecutor when she worked at the Justice Department. She said she was, while he said she was not.

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Schimel responds to criticism over untested rape kits

As she has throughout the campaign, Crawford accused Schimel of failing to test more than 6,000 rape kits during his first two years as attorney general. These kits contain forensic evidence collected from a sexual assault victim at a hospital.

Earlier this year, Supreme Court Justice Jill Karofsky, who used to work for Schimel, said he did not ask his fellow Republicans who controlled the state Legislature and the Governor’s Office for funds to more rapidly move testing forward. Karofsky is backing Crawford in the race.

Crawford said Schimel spent too much time focusing on pursuing “right-wing lawsuits” as attorney general instead of clearing the backlog of rape kits.

“I am proud of the work that I’ve done, and I think it is important for voters to know about Brad Schimmels record, too,” Crawford said.

Schimel countered that the problem had accumulated over years. He said he needed time to inventory the kits and to find private labs to test them. His agency eventually secured a $4 million federal grant, and Schimel said his office tested more than 4,100 kits for which victims gave permission during his tenure.

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“About 3 1/2 years later, every kit that needed to be tested was done,” he said.

Crawford is hesitant to say whether she’d hear Act 10 case.

Crawford acknowledged that she had gone to court to try to block Act 10, the 2011 law that ended collective bargaining for most Wisconsin public employee unions. She even told The Capital Times in 2018: “I fought against Act 10.”

A Dane County judge last year ruled that much of the law was unconstitutional, and the decision has been appealed. The case is expected to come to the state Supreme Court eventually.

She said this is a different matter than the litigation she brought, so she wouldn’t commit to recusing herself if the matter came before her on the Supreme Court.

“It would depend on the specific facts in the case,” she said.

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Schimel said it was clear what positions Crawford held on issues like Act 10, voter ID and abortion.

“Now she backs off from things she was once proud of, campaigning as a judge,” Schimel said.

As the Republican attorney general, Schimel said he would defend Act 10 and stated that its restrictions shouldn’t apply to police and firefighter unions.

While in private practice, Crawford filed a lawsuit on behalf of the League of Women Voters to block the state law requiring voters to show photo identification. On one occasion, she likened the measure to a poll tax — the now-banned laws that imposed fees to prevent poor people, many of them racial minorities, from voting. On another occasion, she labeled it “draconian.”

But she has declined to state her opinion on the measure because she said she doesn’t “take positions on issues that could end up before the Wisconsin Supreme Court.” She has said her lawsuit helped make the voter ID law better, including by making the IDs free of charge.

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Schimel has been a strong supporter of the law, which the recent Milwaukee Law School Poll found had the support of 77% of those surveyed and was opposed by 22%.

Alison Dirr can be reached at adirr@jrn.com.

Contact Daniel Bice at (414) 313-6684 or dbice@jrn.com. Follow him on X at @DanielBice or on Facebook at fb.me/daniel.bice.





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Wisconsin teen who killed prison guard in fistfight pleads guilty but claims mental illness

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MADISON, Wis. — A Wisconsin teen who killed a prison guard during a fistfight pleaded guilty to homicide Friday but contends he doesn’t deserve prison time because he was mentally ill and not responsible for his actions.

Javarius Hurd, 17, entered a plea of guilty/not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect to one count of second-degree reckless homicide in connection with Corey Proulx’s death, online court records show. He also pleaded guilty to one count of battery by a prisoner. Prosecutors dropped a second battery count in exchange for the pleas.

The next step for Hurd will be a February trial in which jurors will determine whether he should be sentenced to prison or committed to a mental institution. Jurors will be asked to determine whether Hurd was indeed suffering from a mental disease at the time of the fight and, if so, whether the mental disease impaired his ability to act within the law.

“Javarius entered into a plea agreement that partially resolves the case involving the sad and tragic death of (Proulx),” Hurd’s attorney, Aaton Nelson, said in an email to The Associated Press. “Javarius, who has had a life filled with trauma and suffering, realizes that nothing will compensate the victims for their loss and suffering. We hope that this agreement will help all those suffering with their healing.”

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According to court documents, Hurd was incarcerated at the Lincoln Hills-Copper Lakes School, the state’s youth prison in far northern Wisconsin, in June 2024.

He grew upset with a female counselor whom he felt was abusing her powers, threw soap at her and punched her. Hurd ran into the courtyard and Proulx followed to stop him. Hurd punched Proulx several times and Proulx fell, hit his head on the pavement and later died. Hurd was 16 at the time but was charged in adult court.

Another inmate at the youth prison, Rian Nyblom, pleaded guilty to two counts of being a party to battery in connection with the incident and was sentenced to five years in prison this past August.

According to prosecutors, Nyblom knew that Hurd was upset with the female counselor and wanted to splash her with conditioner and punch her. About 15 minutes before the fighting began, he got extra soap and conditioner from guards and secretly gave it to Hurd. Nyblom told investigators that he didn’t see Hurd attack the female counselor but watched as Hurd punched Proulx.

Lincoln Hills-Cooper Lake is Wisconsin’s only youth prison. The facility has been plagued by allegations of staff-on-inmate abuse, including excessive use of pepper spray, restraints and strip searches.

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The American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit in 2017 demanding changes at the prison. Then-Gov. Scott Walker’s administration settled the following year by agreeing to a consent decree that prohibited the use of mechanical restraints like handcuffs and the use of pepper spray.

Proulx’s death sparked calls from Republican lawmakers and from Lincoln Hills-Copper Lakes staff for more leeway in punishing incarcerated children, but Democratic Gov. Tony Evers rejected those calls, insisting conditions at the prison have been slowly improving. A court-appointed monitor assigned to oversee the prison’s progress reported this past October that the facility was fully compliant with the consent decree’s provisions for the first time.

Legislators have been trying to find a way to close the facility for years and replace with it with smaller regional prisons. Those prisons remain under construction, however, and Lincoln Hills-Copper Lake continues to operate.



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‘Play is the work of a child’: Wisconsin parents back bill that would double daily recess

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MADISON, Wis. (WMTV) – A proposal at the state Capitol would require Wisconsin schools to increase daily recess time for students in kindergarten through sixth grade, with supporters saying more opportunities for unstructured play could improve focus, behavior and overall well-being.

Assembly Bill 810 would require public schools to provide 60 minutes of recess each school day for K-6 students, doubling the amount many schools currently offer. The bill has been referred to the Legislature’s education committee.

The bill’s author, State Rep. William Penterman of Hustisford, said the proposal is based on research showing physical activity supports learning and child development.

“Especially younger kids, like our elementary kids, it’s so important that they get moving throughout the day,” Penterman said. “We’re trying to get our kids to learn and develop mentally, emotionally, but also physically.”

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Penterman emphasized the bill is not intended to extend the school day or reduce instructional time. Instead, he said schools could restructure existing schedules to include more frequent movement breaks.

“We’re not looking to expand the school day. Absolutely not,” Penterman said. “It’s already set. We’re going to leave it at that. It’s about increasing efficiencies.”

The proposal would give schools flexibility in how the time is scheduled, allowing recess to be broken into multiple shorter periods throughout the day.

“But 60 minutes of play a day — it could be three 20-minute recesses. It could be two 30-minute recesses,” Penterman said.

Parents in the Madison Metropolitan School District say concerns about limited recess became apparent once their children came home from school.

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“I saw that we only had 30 minutes of recess at our school, and I felt like that wasn’t enough,” said Victoria Carey, a parent with a child in elementary school.

Carey said she initially assumed recess policies were determined by individual schools or districts, but later learned minimum requirements are set at the state level.

“So I looked into — is that our school’s policy? Is that our district’s policy?” Carey said. “And then I realized that it wasn’t either of those. Really, it was the state.”

Ally Grigg, another MMSD parent and former teacher, said a lack of movement during the school day can lead to challenges with emotional regulation and behavior at home.

“If that need is not being met at school, they come home, and my experience is my child frequently has meltdowns as soon as she gets home,” Grigg said. “A lot of times they have a lot of energy and they’re bouncing off the walls because they didn’t get that out during the day.”

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Grigg and Carey are part of a parent-led advocacy effort ‘Say Yes to Recess’, pushing for increased recess time statewide. They say their goal is not to burden teachers or administrators, but to recognize play as a meaningful part of the learning process.

“They are great tinkerers, little scientists, as they’re referred to often,” Carey said. “And they do that through play. I think recess is a great opportunity for play to practice what they’re learning in the classroom and with each other.”

Carey said parents they’ve spoken with, including some educators, often share similar concerns, even if there are questions about how additional recess would fit into already packed schedules.

“Most of the reaction is very positive,” Carey said. “Everybody agrees that kids need recess. It’s really about finding the balance between instructional time and what kids need developmentally.”

Penterman said the bill was shaped after an earlier proposal focused on increasing overall physical activity faced pushback over concerns about unfunded mandates.

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“So we kind of revamped it and looked at it,” he said. “What’s something we already have existing in place now that we can just expand?”

The Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction said it is in the process of analyzing the legislation and does not yet have an official position.

The bill is still early in the legislative process. Penterman said he hopes the proposal encourages broader discussion about how schools balance academic demands with students’ physical and mental health.

“Play is the work of a child,” Penterman said, quoting educator Maria Montessori. “And it’s so important to their development.”

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Wisconsin DHS reaffirms childhood vaccine recommendations after CDC changes

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The Wisconsin Department of Health Services on Thursday reaffirmed its recommended childhood vaccine schedule after recent changes at the federal level.

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On Monday, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control announced changes to its childhood vaccine schedule. The DHS said those modifications further stray “from alignment with America’s leading medical associations and organizations.”

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At this time, the DHS said it is not making changes to its vaccine recommendations – including no changes to Wisconsin’s school or child care vaccine recommendations.

The DHS said it continues to endorse the American Academy of Pediatrics schedule and has issued guidance to Wisconsin health care providers reaffirming that recommendation.

What they’re saying:

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“The CDC’s new recommendations were based on a brief review of other countries’ practices and not based on data or evidence regarding disease risks to children in the United States,” DHS Secretary Kirsten Johnson said in a statement. “This upends our longstanding, evidence-based approach of protecting our children from the viruses that pose a risk in our country.

“Copying another country’s schedule without its health and social infrastructure will not produce the same health outcomes. It creates chaos and confusion and risks the health of Wisconsin’s youngest and most vulnerable citizens.”

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Big picture view:

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said the CDC will continue to recommend that all children are immunized against 10 diseases for which there is international consensus, as well as chickenpox.

The updated schedule is in contrast to the CDC child and adolescent schedule at the end of 2024, which recommended 17 immunizations for all children. On the new schedule, vaccines – such as those for hepatitis A and B, meningitis, rotavirus and seasonal flu – are now more restricted. They are recommended only for those at high risk or after consultation with a health care provider. 

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What they’re saying:

“President Trump directed us to examine how other developed nations protect their children and to take action if they are doing better,” Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said. “After an exhaustive review of the evidence, we are aligning the U.S. childhood vaccine schedule with international consensus while strengthening transparency and informed consent. This decision protects children, respects families, and rebuilds trust in public health.”

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The Source: The Wisconsin DHS released information about its childhood vaccine recommendations. Information about the CDC changes is from LiveNOW from FOX with contributions from The Associated Press.

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