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'I think of my body as a teacher,' says Marine who struggled with disordered eating

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Bailey Williams is a storyteller and yoga teacher in Alaska.

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Bailey Williams was 18 when signed up for the Marine Corps, in part, she says, to escape her strict Mormon upbringing. During her three years as a military linguist, she pushed her body to extremes to prove her strength. She began running four hours a day, starving herself and binging and purging. Later she learned that eating disorders are more prevalent in the Marine Corps than they are in any other branch of the military.

“There’s a significant overlap in values that you’ll see in someone who’s committed to an eating disorder and someone who’s committed to being a good Marine: a level of competition, a level of bodily self-denial, and the belief that self-mastery comes in the form of physical prowess,” Williams says. “Those values make really good Marines and pretty solid chances of developing an eating disorder as well.”

Williams’ new memoir, Hollow, offers a vivid and, at times, brutal account of being a woman in the Marine Corps while struggling with disordered eating. She says that one of the things that drew her to the military was the “promise of meritocracy that I would be judged on my character and my effort — what I could control — and not my gender.” But, in fact, the opposite was true.

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“My gender was so aggressively [judged],” she says. “I was sexualized from the first day, and that never really ended until the last day I left the Marine Corps.”

After being honorably discharged from the Marines in 2011, Williams spent most of her 20s backpacking and writing, which helped her change her relationship with her body and overcome her disordered eating.

“The story in Hollow [is] I feel within my own body that I am inherently weak,” she says. “And over the years of writing it, I was actively working on cultivating this new story of my body, which is actually I’m really strong and I’m very much capable of holding this younger self that … didn’t have that sense of value and self-worth and strength.”

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Hollow, by Bailey Wililams

On going from the Mormon community to the Marines

I really struggled with some components of Mormon culture that I experienced as a reprimand to be smaller, to be quieter, to be a follower and not a leader. I knew that I didn’t want that. But I still had the imprint of that incredibly patriarchal upbringing that made it very hard for me to even understand that there was another way to live. I assumed somebody needed to be in charge of me. I needed some structure, some leadership, some degree of something I could plug into, some organization where I could feel like I was a participant. And the Marine Corps, it was another religion for me.

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On her eating disorder

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An eating disorder weakens you, but you don’t see it that way when you’re in it. I knew that what I was doing was harming me. I could feel it, especially in the end when I was very sick. Like, I could feel these warning lights dimly going off in my body, like something is very wrong internally. And yet I always found this mental acrobatics to justify my eating disorder as the only thing that would fix it. …

Bingeing and purging, that felt awful. It was just a horrible experience. So obviously the answer was I needed to just not eat, like that’s going to fix it — which is not at all true. It was so inconceivable to me that to feed myself would actually strengthen me. I think this really speaks to how inherently unsustainable an eating disorder is, because effectively you are crippling your energetic force. Right? Like you’re taking your life force and you’re trying to constrict it and say, “I can live on less,” and then, “I can live on even less than that.”

On her concern for women in the military during the Trump administration 

Since the recent election, I kind of have felt this really familiar fire under my skin. Trump’s nominee for defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, is saying that women are incompetent and that their presence in the military causes love triangles and drama. And the conversation about women in combat is a really charged one. And it distracts from the fact that ostensible leaders saying that kind of dismissive, reductionistic language is going to seep down through the ranks and it is going to affect women like me who are nowhere near combat, but are still going to be hearing this language of inherently: Your value within the Marine Corps, your value within the military is less than a man’s because you are not as mission critical. … And that kind of “othering” dismissed the heck out of the contributions of women who have been leaders in the military and have been smashing all these barriers as long as they’ve been in.

On the normalizing of inappropriate behavior and the silence around sexual assault

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I was conditioned to understand that basically anything I heard that was inappropriate, the thing to do that would best convey that I wanted to be on this team was silence. So it starts there. And then there’s the casual touching, like the man who would just find an excuse to stand behind me and put their hands around my waist, or who would move me physically with their hands. …

And then you learn to not believe other women that you know. The first platoon I was in, there were women who had had a sexual violation, I don’t know the details fully, but I do know that the perpetrators were back in our platoon. [There had been] some slap on the wrist, some degree of being removed. And then they were back. … I learned to question when women said, “This thing happened to me,” because I was hearing, “Well, what were you wearing? Had you been drinking? Were you supposed to be there? What did you expect?”

On being sexually assaulted and deciding not to report it

I, at no point, seriously considered reporting that assault, in part because I lacked the language to name it, and secondly, because I knew it wouldn’t be taken seriously. Or, at least, I felt that it would not be taken seriously. I saw and heard for years how we spoke about women who did report sexual assault, and I knew that it would somehow be my fault. I was there, I hadn’t been drinking, but I was there. …

I just so absolutely anticipated that the response would be, But did he really? … It was violating and painful and sad and it was like, I don’t want to expose this to scrutiny and to doubt. … I knew it wouldn’t be taken seriously. And if it was taken seriously, it was going to be my life that got harder and not his.

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On how she feels in her body now as a civilian and a yoga teacher

The years since leaving the Marine Corps have been so beautiful. I have been outrageously blessed and just have had a really great last decade or so. Yoga was very transformative. I’ve practiced and taught for almost a decade and just learned different perspectives of feeling like my body is an ally and not something to subjugate. I think of my body as a teacher and like a very good teacher and a profoundly wise and intuitive teacher. I know this book is quite dark. I know I worked with some really dark elements within it, but I also would name that I feel so much joy within my physical being and within my relationships and within my family. And I know in my heart that some of that joy I would not feel in quite the same way had I not known the alternative. So, yes, I feel great joy in my body and a gratitude that comes from recovery and knowing that there was a different way to live in my body that is no longer my story.

To find out more, or get help in dealing with an eating disorder, contact the National Eating Disorder Association or text “HOME” to 741741.

Sam Briger and Thea Chaloner produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Beth Novey adapted it for the web.

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Comic D.J. Demers jokes a lot about hearing loss — but won't be 'the hearing aid guy'

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Stand-up comedian D.J. Demers is hard of hearing. To reach others in the deaf community, his shows often include a sign language interpreter. Jennifer Lees (left) has interpreted many of his shows.

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Being hard of hearing is a source of a lot of material for stand-up comedian D.J. Demers. Without his hearing aids, he’s considered deaf. When he takes them out to sleep at sketchy hotels, he says, “I’m very easy to murder.”

And since hearing aids aren’t waterproof, “pool parties are a nightmare,” he jokes. “I’m not very good at Marco Polo.”

As a new dad, people warned him to be ready for a lot of sleepless nights. “It’s been pretty chill. I’d love to help more, but this damn disability, you know?”

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Nothing to joke about at first

Demers was diagnosed with hearing loss when he was 4 years old. As a kid, he saw nothing funny about it.

“I never joked about my hearing aids when I was young. I actually kind of hid them,” he says. “If I had to change them at recess or something, I would kind of run away from everybody and do it in a private corner.”

Then Demers learned that making people laugh was a way to make friends and deflect potential ridicule.

“If they had any feelings that they didn’t want to be friends with me because I had a disability, I could overcome that because I was funny,” he says.

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Stand-up comedian D.J. Demers made his late night debut on CONAN on TBS in 2014

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He’s so funny, the Canadian-born Demers won the “Homegrown Comics” competition at the prestigious Just For Laughs Festival in Montreal in 2014. That led to spots on Conan, The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon and America’s Got Talent. He developed and starred in a sitcom for CBC Television and filmed four specials. His latest, Azoospermia, is about his and his wife’s journey conceiving a child.

Sign language interpreters in his stand-up

After about five years doing stand-up for hearing audiences, Demers realized having a sign language interpreter on stage would help him reach others in the deaf community. The first interpreter he hired was Jennifer Lees.

“I’ve seen concerts with interpreters for music and I’ve seen lots of spoken word stuff,” says Lees. “But comedy, definitely, there was a gap there for deaf and hard of hearing consumers who just want to be able to go out to Yuk Yuks or one of the [other] comedy chains and have some fun.”

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Sign language interpreter Jennifer Lees said D.J. Demers has “incredible insight into how awkward and strange communication can be” for people who are deaf or hard-of-hearing.

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Lees, who’s interpreted for Demers many times, says deaf and hard-of-hearing audiences can relate to his material, like his jokes about not being able to lip read during the pandemic.

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“Nobody’s ever talked about [hearing loss] in a funny way,” says Lees. “You know, people very rarely talk about it at all, never mind with an incredible insight into how awkward and strange communication can be.”

Not just ‘the hearing aid guy’

From the beginning of his stand-up career, Demers says, he was reluctant to make too much of his act about his disability. “But there’s so much stuff to talk about and a lot of funny stuff and it is a unique perspective.”

And that perspective has changed over time.

“I have a kid now and now he’s got a hard of hearing father. So I’m watching how he perceives me when I can’t hear him well. And so that’s shifting my own perspective on my disability,” he says.

"If I really leaned into being, you know, the hearing aid guy, I could really, like capture that market," Demers reasoned, "But at what cost? I have to explore more beyond it just to be artistically fulfilled."

“If I really leaned into being, you know, the hearing aid guy, I could really, like capture that market,” Demers reasoned, “But at what cost? I have to explore more beyond it just to be artistically fulfilled.”

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Still, Demers doesn’t want to be pigeonholed as “the hearing aid guy.” In fact, much of his material has nothing to do with disability at all. He’s joked about social media, his passion for speed walking and being tested for infertility.

Yet with the explosion of stand-up in recent years, some comedians feel pressure to find their niche and stick to it.

“If I really leaned into being ‘the hearing aid guy,’ I could capture that market,” Demers says. “But at what cost? I have to explore more beyond it, just to be artistically fulfilled.”

Demers will make his second appearance on The Tonight Show this week (scheduled for Nov. 26) and then he will go on to tour the United States.

Jennifer Vanasco edited this story for broadcast and digital. Chloee Weiner mixed the audio.

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9 L.A. locals share their favorite walks in the city

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Los Angeles is teeming with beautiful places to walk, but for many of us, our favorite paths are those that are closest to home. These are the walks we do again and again, when we need to shake out our blues, get a new perspective or just enjoy some of our city’s famous sunshine. So it comes as no surprise that when we asked readers to share their favorite walks, many of you responded with a path in your neighborhood.

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As someone who recently relied on suggestions from friends across the city to help me choose — and plot — the 11 most essential walks in L.A., I can say that there is nothing better than exploring an area through the eyes of a local. Their insights and experience add a deeper dimension to a walk. Each time a friend showed me around, I came away with a new appreciation for the part of the city they call home.

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So it is with great gratitude and pleasure that I present a handful of the walks submitted by our readers who generously shared their own expertise on where to walk, and what to see. Nobody knows a city better than those of us who live here.

Reader Rick Jashnani submitted this image from his Ballona Creek walk.

Reader Rick Jashnani submitted this image from his Ballona Creek walk.

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Down the Ballona Lagoon nature path, back on the beach, and over to the marina to close the loop

Starting location: Start at 4001 Via Dolce, Marina del Rey

Distance: 2.5 miles

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Length of time: 60 minutes

What makes it special: ”The nature walk is really pretty and borders a wildlife sanctuary where you can see egrets and other migratory birds. There are always little lizards on the path as well. As you turn the corner to the ocean, you can see larger seabirds and if you’re lucky you can see dolphins. The marina is always nice to check out the calmness of the water and all the boats. Plus, if your dog is well-behaved, you can generally take him or her off leash and no one will bug you.”

— Rick Jashnani, Venice

Reader Ducan Addicott submitted this photo from his Mount Lowe excursion.

Reader Ducan Addicott submitted this photo from his Mount Lowe excursion.

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Mount Lowe Trail/ San Merrill Trail to the ruins of the Mount Lowe Hotel

Starting location: The corner of Loma Alta Drive and Lake Avenue. Goes all the way up to (34.21097° N, 118.12077° W)

Distance: 5 miles

Length of time: At a fast pace, around an hour and 45 minutes. At an average pace, about three hours

What makes it special: Since my family lives near the trail, we occasionally hike the trail to the top of Echo Mountain (where the Mount Lowe Hotel remains are) to see the view of Los Angeles.”

— Duncan Addicott, Altadena

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Reader Thomas Nagano submitted this photo from his Hill Top walk.

Reader Thomas Nagano submitted this photo from his Hill Top walk.

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Hill Top View

Starting location: North Thomas Avenue in Lincoln Heights

Distance: 3 steep miles up and back.

Length of time: 45 minutes

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What makes it special: “The 360 degree view from ‘Flat Top.’”

— Thomas Nagano, Los Angeles

Hikers walk across a bridge.

Hikers walk across the Mark Ridley-Thomas Bridge, which stretches over La Cienega Boulevard and links Kenneth Hahn Park to the Stoneview Nature Center.

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Culver City park to Baldwin Hills Park to Kenneth Hahn Park

Starting location: “From Culver City park, start off in the parking lot near the Boneyard and take the wooden ramps up the hill. Walk across Bill Botts field to the connector to the Baldwin Hills park. Walk to the top of the hill, enjoy the views and then find the parking lot. At the back of the lot is a path that connects down the hill to Stoneview Nature Center. Do a lap around the nature center, pick a piece of fruit or rest on a bench, then take the path back out of the nature center and walk over La Cienega into Kenneth Hahn Park. If you are walking for fitness you can do this in a couple of hours. You can spend more time in any of the parks as you walk.”

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Distance: About 3 miles

Length of time: Two hours

What makes it special: “It is so cool to see all these parks linked to each other and find such a long walking route in L.A. that really doesn’t pass along any roads. You can make the walk longer by spending more time in these parks or walking longer routes through the parks or you can just go for a walk and consider the parks marker points as you go from Culver City to Kenneth Hahn.”

Lisa Collins, Culver City

Greer Cowan submitted this photo from her Griffith Park hike.

Greer Cowan submitted this photo from her Griffith Park hike.

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Riverside trail in Griffith Park

Starting location: 2715 N. Vermont Canyon Road, Los Angeles, CA 90027

Distance: 2 miles

Length of time: 30 minutes

What makes it special: “I grew up in rural Vermont and it’s hard to describe to friends and family why I’ve chosen to live in L.A. This is a place where I bring people who visit me in LA from the East Coast to demonstrate what I love about it. The walk has a gorgeous view of downtown but it’s peaceful and away from cars and pavement. When I bring people from Vermont to this walk they start to understand what I love about L.A.”

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— Greer Cowan, Los Angeles

A boy plays in the fountains in Gloria Molina Grand Park in downtown Los Angeles.

A boy plays in the fountains in Gloria Molina Grand Park in downtown Los Angeles.

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Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels to Gloria Molina Grand Park to L.A. City Hall

Starting location: 555 W. Temple St.

Distance: .5 miles

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Length of time: 15 minutes

What makes it special: “As I ease into the morning work day, I park at the underground parking garage next to Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels. I cross Temple Street by the court buildings constructed in the late 1960s and early 1970s and walk over to Grand Park. I start my trek at 7:15 am and finish around 7:35 am — not a long walk time down the escaliered concrete staircases but it helps me to see nature and ease any anxiety I have before I start work during my monthly three-day work days in downtown L.A. As I get close to the L.A. City Hall, there are police officers moving overnight persons camping in the park out so that city hall workers, mostly female, arrive to a safe environment before entering city hall’s employee entrance.”

— Thomas Foster

Reader Larry Blivas submitted this photo of his walk from the Venice Pier and the Santa Monica Pier.

Reader Larry Blivas submitted this photo of his walk from the Venice Pier and the Santa Monica Pier.

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From the Venice Pier to the Santa Monica Pier along the beach

Starting location: Washington Boulevard and Ocean Front Walk

Distance: 2 miles

Length of time: 1-2 hours depending on your pace

What makes it special: “If you walk along the beach next to the water this is the most memorable walk in Los Angeles, with the most beautiful beaches full of birds, sea lions, surfers, dolphins, occasionally a few whales and the most beautiful surf! You can walk it barefoot or as many people do, wear lightweight tennis shoes. [You can go with] your dog or with a friend or by yourself. It is really incredible. If you walk along the walking bike path it has the Venice Art Walk, many bicycles and it ends at the Santa Monica Pier, [where you can] enjoy the festivities. The other option is to start at the Santa Monica Pier and walk to the Venice Pier and back for a beautiful walk, exercise and best day of your life!”

— Larry Blivas, Los Angeles

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Self Help Graphics 50th annual Dia De Los Muertos event at the East L.A. Civic Center.

Self Help Graphics 50th annual Dia De Los Muertos event at the East L.A. Civic Center.

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Highland Park Metro Station to East Los Angeles Civic Center

Starting location: Ave. 59 to Figueroa St. through downtown LA and then east on E. Cesar E. Chavez Blvd. to the ELA Civic Center.

Distance: About 12 miles

Length of time: 3-4 hours depending on whether there’s a parade or a march happening

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What makes it special: “It cuts to the core of Los Angeles, from its oldest community along the Arroyo Seco to its oldest cultural hubs and sprawling historic avenues, and crossing five freeways and the raging rivers of clanging metal below. I’ve been doing it for several years and it is never the same walk, like a search for meaning.”

— Richard Vasquez, Los Angeles

The labyrinthal channels of Marina del Rey

Starting location: Admiralty Way and Bali Way

Distance: 2 miles

Length of time: 30 minutes

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What makes it special: “Sights and sounds don’t come much more spectacular than a saunter around the labyrinthal channels of Marina del Rey. You have the Ballona Lagoon offering pleasant tidal salt marsh views ideal for brandishing binoculars where one can espy many a seabird sneaking up on unsuspecting french fries. And further walk away your woes as you peer waterward at salty-sneezing harbor seals, sun-soaked kayakers, and spry runaway skiffs cascading along the horizon with swollen sails.

I enjoy any ambulatory miles I can accumulate in the Marina area. From morning jaunts evaluating artisanal turnips at the Famer’s Market every Saturday morning near Mother’s Beach to tranquil late afternoons spent strolling among the shelves of the Lloyd Taber-Marina del Rey Library. The custom sail-shaped windows look out onto the sunset.

Ahoy, it’s a showstopper.”

— Tommy Bui, Pacoima

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