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George Saunders thinks ambition gets a bad rap : Wild Card with Rachel Martin

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A note from Wild Card host Rachel Martin: George Saunders is considered one of the master storytellers of our time. He uses humor and empathy to draw readers into characters and situations that stick deeply in the imagination.

He also seems like a guy totally preoccupied with the liminal space between the living and the dead. And I dig this because I am also preoccupied with this in-between-space. It was the setting for his best selling book “Lincoln in the Bardo” and of his newest novel, “Vigil.”

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‘Wait Wait’ for June 20, 2026: With Not My Job guest Caro Claire Burke

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Alzo Slade and Peter Sagal on stage at the Studebaker Theater in Chicago

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This week’s show was recorded in Chicago with host Peter Sagal, judge and scorekeeper Alzo Slade, Not My Job guest Caro Claire Burke and panelists Karen Chee, Peter Grosz, and Shane O’Neill. Click the audio link above to hear the whole show.

Who’s Alzo This Time

Tourists Embrace The USA; The Wedding of the Century; Advances in Parenting

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Panel Questions

Stolen Flavor

Bluff The Listener

Our panelists tell three stories about 80’s band A-ha making the news this week, only one of which is true

Not My Job: Caro Claire Burke, the author of Yesteryear, joins us to answer questions about yearbooks

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This week, Caro Claire Burke, author of the book of the summer, Yesteryear, joins us to play a game called, “Yesteryear, meet Yearbook.” Three questions about yearbooks.

Panel Questions

Bookmarks and Beaches; One Man’s Trash

Limericks

Alzo Slade reads three news-related limericks: Jurassic Purse; Viper Visions; Humanity’s Tilt

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Lightning Fill In The Blank

All the news we couldn’t fit anywhere else

Predictions

Our panelists predict, what would be the big surprise at Taylor Swift’s wedding

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Day 1,578 of WW3: The UN Security Council will meet on Monday to address Russia's latest strikes on cultural and religious sites, including the attack on Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra. ANGH, of course. This is your Saturday Ukraine discussion

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How actress Laverne Cox became the woman of her dreams (CT+) : Consider This from NPR

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NEW YORK, NEW YORK – APRIL 21: Laverne Cox attends the “Animal Farm” New York Premiere at Regal Theater on April 21, 2026 in New York City.

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In 2013, when the Netflix series Orange Is the New Black came out, the world met the character Sophia Burset — a Black trans woman serving as the resident hairstylist in prison. 

For much of the audience, it was also the first time they met actress Laverne Cox — who landed the role of Sophia at the age 40, just when she was thinking of quitting acting altogether.  

In her new memoir Transcendent, Cox talks about the challenges she faced long before Netflix came knocking: a mother who withheld love, a father who was never around and the brutal denigration she encountered growing up Black and trans in the deep South.  

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Email us at considerthis@npr.org.

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