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How to have the best Sunday in L.A., according to Deidre Hall
For half a century, Deidre Hall has taken on every kind of disaster in the drama-packed town of Salem, Ill., as a star of “Days of Our Lives.”
There was the time — actually, it happened twice — when her character, Dr. Marlena Evans, was famously possessed by the devil and even levitated.
In Sunday Funday, L.A. people give us a play-by-play of their ideal Sunday around town. Find ideas and inspiration on where to go, what to eat and how to enjoy life on the weekends.
Or the time a serial killer, who was actually Marlena under hypnosis, seemed to kill several beloved characters. The long-running show’s storylines have become legendary, and in March, while promoting “Hail Mary,” actor Ryan Gosling even gave Hall a shout-out, admitting he was a fan, praising the hard work of soap opera actors and calling her an “OG acting inspiration.”
But Hall’s real life in Santa Monica is much quieter than her character’s, and she likes it that way.
“When I bought my house in Santa Monica, I didn’t realize how great it would be to live near Montana Avenue,” says Hall, 78, about the popular shopping spot. Every day, she walks to the main street with her golden retriever, Riley, and enjoys Pilates, art and good food along the way. “The owners of the Farms Market even keep dog biscuits, so guess where the dog wants to go every time we walk — the Farms, of course,” she says, laughing.
When she isn’t filming the daily soap opera, which airs on Peacock, Hall enjoys raising monarch butterflies, exploring the shops and restaurants on Montana, and hosting movie nights at home with her two sons.
Here’s what a perfect day in L.A. looks like for her.
This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for length and clarity.
7 a.m.: Breakfast and dog walk
I usually kick off my day with a protein shake, feed our golden retriever and take her out for a walk. She’s a phenomenal girl. When we adopted her, her name was Riley, but I did think about naming her after Mrs. Hughes from “Downton Abbey.”
10 a.m.: Church and garden time
After I walk the dog and go to church, I like to spend some time in my yard. I’m not a natural gardener, but I really enjoy it. I started raising monarch butterflies because my identical twin sister, who played my twin on the show, planted a butterfly garden. Monarchs are amazing because they are transitional. Every year, they travel from Mexico to southern New England, but it’s getting harder for them. Their numbers have dropped by about 80%. To help, I plant milkweed, which is what they need to survive. I buy my milkweed from the Staghorn Garden on Wilshire Boulevard in Santa Monica. Julie, who owns the nursery, is delightful and has a wide variety of milkweed. The monarchs always seem to find my garden. Julie was raising some caterpillars too, and she cared a lot about them. We talked about how important it is to help the butterflies. That’s why I do this. Sometimes I get milkweed with eggs already on it, and Julie knows her butterflies are going to a good home.
1 p.m.: Walk to Montana Avenue for some lunch
I live near Montana and love taking long walks, going to Pilates and trying out the great restaurants nearby, like R+D Kitchen and La La Land. I’m a big fan of the waffles at the Courtyard Kitchen. Just a few days ago, I had a chicken salad on raisin bread with an Arnold Palmer, and it was delicious. It is right on Montana and has a nice outdoor seating area. It’s one of my favorite spots. La La Land always has a long line in the morning, which is perfect if you want coffee. They serve coffee, doughnuts, croissants and avocado toast. There’s plenty of outdoor seating, and you can even bring your dog.
2 p.m.: Peek inside a clock shop
There’s a small clock shop on Montana Avenue that’s closed on Sundays, but if you walk by, you’ll see all kinds of clocks — standing, table and wall clocks. The owner is great at fixing them. Once, I bought a wall clock from MacKenzie-Childs, but it didn’t work. And I was really upset because it matched everything else on my countertop. I brought it to the owner and said, “I love this, but I can’t make it work.” He fixed it right away. His name is John, but I call him Geppetto. And we all know why. He really does have a magic touch.
2:30 p.m.: Visit a neighborhood art gallery
Ten Women Gallery is run by 10 artists, all of whom show their work there. I was drawn to some watercolors there, bought a few cards and spoke with one of the artists. She told me, “You seem to love watercolors,” and mentioned that the artist who painted them, Pamela Harnois, lives in Los Angeles and teaches nearby. I got Pamela’s name and found out she taught at the Brentwood Art School. I was so inspired by her gift that I started taking private lessons with her on Saturdays. That gallery is where I discovered my love for watercolor painting.
3 p.m.: Grab some ice cream at Rori’s
The other day, my longtime girlfriend wanted to get ice cream and told me, “We are walking to Rori’s Artisanal Creamery.” It’s a small shop on Montana near Lincoln. They make everything themselves, using local ingredients from grass-fed cows with no added hormones. The place is family-owned and probably has the healthiest ice cream you’ll find. They switch up their flavors often, but my favorite is the salted caramel.
6 p.m.: Family dinner and movie night at home
R+D Kitchen is always packed, so my sons, who are 31 and 33, do the cooking. They come over, and together we make salads and cook dinner. There’s a neighborhood grocery store called the Farms, off Montana, a small family-run place that has everything we need. Everyone knows each other there, and people bring their dogs. We try to have movie night every Sunday. Sometimes the day changes, but we always make sure to have one night a week where we cook a meal and sit down as a family. Keeping that tradition has become really important to us. My sons are great cooks, which is funny because they definitely didn’t get that from me. [Laughs]
9 p.m.: Take Riley for one last walk and visit neighbors
After dinner, I take my dog for a walk. It’s a great way to meet neighbors. We always go around the same block. We’ve met so many people, and since she’s a golden retriever, she loves meeting everyone.
10 p.m.: News, knitting and bedtime
I am a news junkie, so I usually watch whatever is on the news before I go to bed. I have a long-standing passion for knitting. Lately, though, the news would make me drop a stitch.
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‘Spider-Man’ director found his connection to the world at the movies
In Spider-Man: Brand New Day, Peter Parker (Tom Holland) is alone — very alone. “There’s just nothing better than watching Tom play an awkward scene,” says director Destin Daniel Cretton. “His comedic timing with his awkwardness, I think, is one of the most brilliant things about him. It’s so relatable.”
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Growing up with his five siblings in Maui, director Destin Daniel Cretton says his mom didn’t let the kids watch much TV. “We had to find our own ways of playing make-believe, or making up plays, or making dance routines, fight choreography,” he recalls.
Then, on a family vacation to California, his grandmother loaned him her VHS camera. “I became the person who was documenting the trip,” he says. “And my grandma kind of encouraged me to do that.” He got a thrilling glimpse of Hollywood and Universal Studios and Disneyland. “All of that inspiration came back with me to Maui,” he says. “And that’s when we started making movies nonstop.”
Movies connected him to the outside world, Cretton explains. “As a kid, I would watch many movies with my dad, with our family, and that is how I traveled. That is how I was exposed to other cultures. That’s how I understand how kids grew up in high school on the mainland. And one of my biggest takeaways was not how different we are, but how similar we are, emotionally.”

Cretton’s first job out of college was at a group home for at-risk teenagers. He turned that experience into the 2013 film Short Term 12, starring Brie Larson, Rami Malek and LaKeith Stanfield. He went on to direct the 2017 film adaptation of Jeannette Walls’ memoir, The Glass Castle, as well as Just Mercy, about attorney Bryan Stevenson’s work defending men on Death Row. His Marvel debut was the 2021 film Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings, and he created the Marvel series Wonder Man. Now, he’s the director of Spider-Man: Brand New Day.
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On connecting to Peter Parker’s experience of feeling alone in Spider-Man: Brand New Day
I was reflecting a lot on my 20s when I left university and when I didn’t really have a real direction in life, when a lot of my friends are going off to other things. And it felt like a lot of people were moving on without me. It was easy at that time to feel completely alone, to feel like I didn’t have a direction to go. … Being surrounded by people who all seem like they have it together and seem like they are having the time of their lives. And I remember certain times feeling very alone in the middle of it.
On working in a home for at-risk teens
It was a job that really threw a lot of things back into my face. It was by far the most difficult experience that I had up until that point and also the most rewarding. … I didn’t realize how sheltered I was until I was working at that group home. I just was not exposed to the type of experiences that these young people had gone through. And I also wasn’t ready for the people that they had become because of their experiences. These young teenagers were, in many ways, much more mature than I was … but then they had very real pain from their past that was just right under the surface that they were always dealing with. It was very quickly a very humbling experience for me.
“I feel very surprised and lucky to be where I am,” says Destin Daniel Cretton, director of Spider-Man: Brand New Day.
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On thinking of film as a hobby, not a career
I graduated with a communication degree and I couldn’t really get a job anywhere. I was making short films. I would do a short film once a year and I would just save my money. So I worked at a group home for two or three years. I taught high school video production. I worked at a hotel putting up their media, their projectors and things. I had a lot of odd jobs to pay the bills. I shot wedding videos, but it was all really a way to just pay the bills while I made movies as a hobby.
On directing the 2021 Marvel superhero film Shang-Chi — and, for the first time in his professional career, walking into a space where nearly everyone was Asian
It was one of those things I didn’t really know I was missing until it happened. … There was something about set that just felt homey, that felt so comfortable — to be able to have conversations with people that fully understand what my grandma is like, and what growing up in an Asian culture is like. So I didn’t know that that aspect of myself could be a part of my filmmaking. You know, I always sort of compartmentalized my upbringing, and my culture, and growing up in Hawaii as sort of a separate thing than my experience as a filmmaker — until I was on set for Shang-Chi. It was very special.
On his complex relationship with his father
I think in many ways, most of my movies have something to do with my dad. My dad was a very passionate man … and could also be very dark and very angry. And, you know, it just depends which dad you are going to get on the day. I grew up learning to, along with my siblings, learning to navigate those emotions — those real intense peaks and valleys. And when my dad would come home, I learned to become very sensitive to what state he was in. …
So aside from my love of movies, my experience with my dad … really allowed me to not be afraid of any person. … It also allowed me to subconsciously create this skill of feeling other people’s emotions, which I find I use all the time as a director. The moment an actor steps on set, I feel like I just know what state they’re in, and I know what they need. I’ve learned how to bring down a very intense situation. I do feel like he was a very wonderful and troubled man, but I am so grateful to have had him as my dad.
On throughlines in his work

I feel like I’m exploring the idea of family in different ways. … Spider-Man: Brand New Day the idea of family and community is really at the core of this movie. I’m always interested in what happens to a person when they are outside of that family and community, and the importance of that connection with people who truly know who you are, that you can fully be yourself around. To me, that has just always remained the most powerful aspect of my life, is staying connected to the people who really know me.
Ann Marie Baldonado and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Molly Seavy-Nesper and Beth Novey adapted it for the web.

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Are ‘cooling herbs’ your secret weapon in the next heat wave?
Rolling heat waves. Unusually high humidity. A supersized El Niño on the horizon, which stands to spike temperatures to unprecedented degrees.
Summer in Los Angeles may not have broken any heat records — yet — but the relentless hot weather may be more than you’re able to endure, at least comfortably. Especially without AC at home. Personally, I’ve launched a full-scale assault on the sweltering weather, including consulting heat researchers for strategies on staying cool at home.
Which have worked to varying degrees so far.
So what next? I’d been hearing a lot about Ayurvedic herbalism, which has been used in India for thousands of years to help people cope with the heat, among other conditions, naturally and holistically. Herbal remedies — in both Ayurvedic and traditional Chinese medicine — are not a medical treatment for heat stroke and other heat illnesses, but they may bring relief in warm weather, some experts say, particularly when prepared by a clinical herbalist.
“You have to, of course, make sure you have enough fluid first — water is key,” says Dr. Ka-Kit Hui, director of UCLA’s Center for East-West Medicine. “But many of the cooling herbs, like chrysanthemum and honeysuckle, which are anti-inflammatory, and peppermint, for sure, are used for heat symptoms. Some of the chemicals in the herbs are helpful in maintaining the metabolism so that it’s not superfast and generating more heat in the system.”
Peppermint is one of the most popular cooling herbs.
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Herbs aren’t a cure-all, Hui cautions. They won’t lower your actual body temperature significantly on their own, or every time. Much depends on what’s raising your body temperature in the first place — if you have a fever due to an infection, for example, see a doctor rather than ingesting peppermint.
“But they’re antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory and are cooling,” he says of some herbs. “And they reduce the feeling of heat. They work in a mild manner with the body’s physiological system bringing the system back into balance.”
I was still undecided on the benefits of herbs to keep cool. But — willing to try nearly anything on a recent stifling afternoon — I made a trip to Anima Mundi Apothecary, in Venice. The “high vibrational” herb shop offers “plant medicines for body, mind & wellness.” It’s the brainchild of clinical herbalist Adriana Ayales, who grew up in Costa Rica with a background in rainforest herbalism. She also trained with shamanic communities throughout Central and South America. Her Anima Mundi Herbals is based in Brooklyn, N.Y., where the company manufactures herbal tinctures, elixirs, teas, herbal supplements and other botanicals. It also has shops in Soho in Manhattan as well as Uvita in Costa Rica. The Venice location opened in 2023.
Inside Anima Mundi Apothecary, which houses more than 100 organic or wild herbs.
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The apothecary is part herb shop, with a wall of more than 100 organic or wild crafted herbs, in jars, from small farms in Southeast Asia and Costa Rica as well as Oregon, Washington, Vermont and upstate New York; it’s part co-working space, with an adjacent “tonic bar” serving chilled elixirs, mocktails, “longevity shots,” teas and medicinal lattes; and it’s part event space, with a lushly landscaped courtyard adorned with a firepit, rose quartz crystals and blooming white sage, lavender, lemon verbena and passion flower, among other plantings. The apothecary hosts meditations, sound baths, tarot card readings and massages there to help bring the mind and body into balance.
The herbs at the shop support Ayurvedic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, rainforest herbalism and American eclectic herbalism, Ayales says. “All of the traditions, including European, we involve in the blending of formulas,” she says. “Every ecosystem has their own set of plants that can greatly help healing in so many ways. It’s medicine for the people, grassroots herbalism that you see throughout the world.”
I had just one thing in mind when I arrived, however: cooling herbs. The AC in my car was on the fritz and I arrived red faced and sweaty. My iPhone overheated on the way over and stopped working immediately upon arrival. A shop attendant shuttled me into a shady spot by the tonic bar, where the mixologist began mixing me cooling drinks. In the meantime, Aria Krylova, who’s worked at Anima Mundi for several years, put out the store’s top cooling agents for me to try.
The Rose Water spritz is popular when temperatures soar in L.A.
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First on the list: rose water “beauty myst,” which Krylova says is frequently requested during heat waves. “We call it a beauty mist, but it’s used Ayurvedically to cool down the body,” she says. “It’s just rose flower and distilled water. Rose is very anti-inflammatory. I like to put it in the fridge. And you come back home from a hot day, before you’ve turned on the AC, and it feels like heaven.”
She was not incorrect. I spritzed it over my upper body, moistening my cheeks, neck and chest. I do the same with a water bottle at home and it’s just as cooling — instantly — but the rose water’s delicious scent left me feeling especially pampered.
Krylova then led me to the wall of herbs, offering two cooling blends that can be made into tea at home.
Anima Mundi’s “main cool down blend,” as she described it, contains lemongrass, hibiscus, peppermint and orange peel. “It’s called the Hibiscus Cooler,” Krylova says, adding that the recipe is simple. Add one tablespoon of herbs to about 8 to 12 ounces of hot water. Wait for five to 15 minutes, depending on how strong you want the tea, while the herbs steep. Strain the liquid and cool it in the refrigerator. “It tastes like a floral garden,” Krylova says.
The second tea is a custom blend that Krylova concocted for her partner, who “runs hot.” It has lemon verbena, lemongrass, rose, hibiscus flower, tulsi and peppermint. (Preparation is the same as the above.)
“Lemon verbena is one of the best anti-inflammatory herbs — a lot of times when people are overheated, they tend to feel inflamed,” Krylova says. “And lemongrass is also extremely cooling for the body. Tulsi is considered to be the queen of herbs in Ayurvedic tradition. It’s extremely mineralizing for the body, replenishing. And peppermint is a top herb for cooling down your body quick.”
Finally, Anima Mundi served me two cooling drinks in the garden. Just the sight of the glasses, dewy with condensation on the outside and filled to the rim with clinking ice, nearly chilled my body.
The Hibiscus Sol-Mate, tart and flavorful, is popular in heat waves and during flu season.
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The Hibiscus Sol-Mate ($7) was a blend of (slightly caffeinated) yerba mate, hibiscus, rose, peppermint and lemongrass, with a fresh lemon slice and a hint of agave. The Tranquility Tea ($7) was composed of chamomile, lemon balm, oatstraw, marshmallow root, jasmine flowers and butterfly pea flowers with tiny flowers floating on top. Both tasted like refreshing iced teas, but the Hibiscus Sol-Mate, a fruit punch red, was more astringent and tart — though flavorful — and the Tranquility Tea, a deep blueberry color, was sweeter and lightly floral tasting.
The Tranquility Tea, sweet and floral-tasting, lives up to its name; the floating flowers are calming.
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Did any of these herbal concoctions actually cool my body temperature? Unclear. But they were thoroughly enjoyable to consume. And the experience was both calming and refreshing. I bought large bags of loose peppermint and spearmint to use for tea at home.
Bonus: my car smelled sublime — minty and fresh — the entire way home. It was curiously relaxing. The aromatherapy, alone, may have been worth the trip.
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Who really counts as ‘working class’? : It’s Been a Minute
What does it mean to be ‘working class’?
It’s a term that we hear often (especially around election time), but more specifically, who are we actually talking about? According to labor economist Kathryn Anne Edwards, host of the Optimist Economy podcast (@optimist_economy), the working class is a group of people who have the least amount of pay, benefits, and protections in the labor market. In this week’s episode of It’s Been a Minute, host Brittany Luse chats with Kathryn about what economists, politicians, and everyday people get wrong about the working class.
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