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What Ruben Amorim can expect from his first Manchester derby: Vomit, hostility and a proper rivalry
Ruben Amorim has faced a range of clubs during his first six games as Manchester United head coach, from Arsenal in the Premier League to Bodo/Glimt in the Europa League.
Those six matches have brought positives, negatives and mixed results, but his opponents on Sunday, Manchester City, will pose a different challenge.
Pep Guardiola’s side go into the game at the Etihad looking a shadow of their dominant selves, winners of the past four Premier League titles, but derby days are different, even if Amorim is playing down its significance.
“I just want to improve the team so I cannot treat it like a normal derby,” he said on Thursday evening.
“It should be like two great teams fighting for the title, and it is not that in this moment. So it is just one more game with a very good opponent. Both teams are struggling in the moment so I hope in future I can feel that real feeling of a derby (that has title implications).”
While that is certainly true about the form and prospects of the two teams, it is still a game that means a little bit more.
To give United’s new head coach a taste of what to expect, The Athletic spoke to three United legends about what it’s like to play City away. From vomit to respect to moments they’ll treasure, this is what they had to say.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer: ‘To beat Guardiola is a moment to cherish’
Solskjaer played more than 350 matches for United between 1996 and 2007 before later becoming manager between 2018 and 2021.
Here he speaks about losing at City’s former ground Main Road, scoring against his former United team-mate Peter Schmeichel and then winning three away derbies in a row as United manager.
“It’s not hostile at their place, not really. But it’s a proper rivalry. Sometimes it’s easier away from home against them. At Old Trafford, you have more of a responsibility to open up and try to dominate.
“It’s unusual to be the underdog with United because it certainly wasn’t like that when I played… though we did lose 3-1 at (City’s previous ground) Maine Road. I scored against Peter Schmeichel that day (lead image above) but I did not enjoy that one and Gary Neville did not have his best of games. Sir Alex dished it out afterwards, he was furious.
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“But we were underdogs when I was manager. I’ve looked at our three consecutive wins there. We averaged 35 per cent possession but still beat them three times away. We did that with width and pace. Anto (Anthony Martial) was brilliant in those games. He had a lot of stick but in those matches, he dropped in to create spaces so it was harder for City to defend. He and Bruno Fernandes were very important in possession.
Martial after scoring against City in 2019 (Oli Scarff/AFP via Getty Images)
“They batter you in the beginning. Good possession, width. You expect an onslaught but in the 2021 game, we started well, scored and surprised them. We set up a team to stop them.
“City have dominated so many games against United so you are trying to do what you can so fans can hold their heads up high in work the next day. What I did — and what Erik ten Hag did in the 2024 FA Cup final — was set up a team to hurt them when they are out of balance.
“Guardiola was always respectful and I have huge respect for him, he’s an incredible manager. But for any manager to beat him, that’s a moment to cherish. And we did it three times on the bounce. We should’ve played away at City every weekend!
Solskjaer and Pep Guardiola on the touchline (Michael Regan/Getty Images)
“I joke, but the wins felt good. City and Liverpool are the two games for United fans — and they’re the worst when you lose. So I told my players to go out afterwards and enjoy it. They weren’t the types to go out around Manchester, maybe they’d go out in quieter areas. I didn’t go out after the games to celebrate, I had work to do.
“At the end of the game in 2019, I looked towards the away end. 3,000 hardcore fans. My kids were in there. They saw beer being thrown at the United section — at least it was the same colour as beer. The fans were singing, ‘Ole’s at the wheel’ at the end. ‘Tell me how good does it feel?’. I’ll tell you, it feels absolutely wonderful. It’s not a trophy, but it’s those days that you play and manage for.”
Andy Cole: ‘We’re back to those old days’
Cole played nearly 300 matches for United between 1994 and 2002 before later joining City for the 2005-06 season.
Here he discusses the importance of the derby to fans, how he was treated when he moved to City and why Amorim should just enjoy the day.
“City away with United. Love it. Almost always enjoyable, as was the build-up. But I’m talking about when City were at Maine Road. Our team coach would pass by all those terraced houses in Moss Side, a setting that gets the juices flowing. Some of their fans would be flicking the Vs and you’re thinking, ‘This is what it’s about’. If you can’t get yourself up for these games then you’re going to struggle.
“If you ask me what my highlights were, I’m going to give you a one-word answer: winning. I scored in one at Maine Road, but derbies are all about the result, regardless of the game. Win and all is good. Lose and it isn’t.
“But I also played for City against United in a derby. And won. Maybe some City fans were a bit iffy when I joined them because I’d been at United and I’ve never hidden my loyalty to this day. But I gave 100 per cent in every single game I played for City. I was professional, I had bills to pay.
“I played in a famous game in 2006 when we won 3-1. Didn’t score, did all right. Patrice Evra made his debut and Cristiano Ronaldo was sent off. I played with Darius Vassell, Stephen Ireland and Trevor Sinclair. Richard Dunne and Sylvain Distin were decent with Sun Jihai in defence. Top player technically, Sun. David James in net. You’re getting a decent ‘keeper with Jamo.
Cole playing against United for City in 2006 (Paul Barker/AFP via Getty Images)
“United fans were brilliant with me, even though I was with City. I’m just a lucky guy. I didn’t know what to expect and some of the other boys who played for both clubs got some stick, but it’s about how you conduct yourself. And I conducted myself well, with respect.
“If I was speaking to Ruben Amorim before this game, I’d say, ‘Enjoy it, it’s a great occasion. And an even greater day if you win’. You’re involved in the Manchester derby, it’s a privilege. The sad thing this season is that you have two teams not in the best of form. So we’re back to those old days, where you have no idea what is going to happen. A proper derby.”
Patrice Evra: ‘And then the vomiting started’
Evra made nearly 400 appearances for United between 2005 and 2014.
Here he speaks about his difficult debut in January 2006 and why it is important for Amorim’s players to show willing on Sunday.
“The kick-off was at 12 for my first United game, which was against City away. The noisy neighbours. I’d not played a game that early since I was a child. I saw Mikael Silvestre eating pasta at nine in the morning, so I joined him. And then the vomiting started. I thought that was the end of the day for me but it stopped. Now I know it was an allergy, but at the time, was I going to miss a debut like that? I didn’t mention it to anyone.
“It’s one of my clearest memories because it was a disaster and made me realise that I wasn’t ready for the Premier League. This wasn’t what we thought was going to happen. Even as a new player, I knew Sir Alex had a great record against City. But being at home made them confident,
“From the start, Trevor Sinclair kept running past me and leaving me on my ass. I was in shock. I’d played in the Champions League final and for France and there I was on my backside.
“City targeted me, the new boy, hitting long balls to Sinclair who ran straight at me. He scored and was involved in a second goal just before half-time.
Evra struggled on his debut against Sinclair and City (John Peters/Manchester United via Getty Images)
“I was taken off after Ferguson spent the break shouting at us and I couldn’t understand a word. He still got his message across. I have said before what he told me or how Carlos Queiroz translated it into French. ‘Evra! That’s enough! Now you can sit down, watch the game and start to learn to play English football in another game!’. When Queiroz told me I wasn’t going back on, I didn’t argue.
“Nemanja Vidic played his first game too. He stayed on the pitch. We lost 3-1. My agent Luca was there with his wife. It got worse because this was supposed to be a great moment for him. He came to see me at the hotel. I opened the door and he nearly cried when he saw me. Even his wife looked sad for me. I didn’t feel sad, I felt s***, empty, especially after the way Ferguson had talked to me.
“I hope Ruben Amorim has a better experience than I had. When I look at the game this weekend, I don’t know who will win, but I do know the fans will not forgive you if you don’t run, tackle or give your best. Even if you are losing, you have to never give up.
“United have had a bad season, but that was the same last season and United beat City in the FA Cup final.
“For Amorim, he beat City a few weeks ago (while in charge of Sporting CP in the Champions League) but now he’s at a different team. It will be tough, but I only want to see red shirts on the streets of Manchester on Monday.”
(Top photo: Gary M. Prior/Getty Images)
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I Think This Poem Is Kind of Into You
A famous poet once observed that it is difficult to get the news from poems. The weather is a different story. April showers, summer sunshine and — maybe especially — the chill of winter provide an endless supply of moods and metaphors. Poets like to practice a double meteorology, looking out at the water and up at the sky for evidence of interior conditions of feeling.
The inner and outer forecasts don’t always match up. This short poem by Louise Glück starts out cold and stays that way for most of its 11 lines.
And then it bursts into flame.
“Early December in Croton-on-Hudson” comes from Glück’s debut collection, “Firstborn,” which was published in 1968. She wrote the poems in it between the ages of 18 and 23, but they bear many of the hallmarks of her mature style, including an approach to personal matters — sex, love, illness, family life — that is at once uncompromising and elusive. She doesn’t flinch. She also doesn’t explain.
Here, for example, Glück assembles fragments of experience that imply — but also obscure — a larger narrative. It’s almost as if a short story, or even a novel, had been smashed like a glass Christmas ornament, leaving the reader to infer the sphere from the shards.
We know there was a couple with a flat tire, and that a year later at least one of them still has feelings for the other. It’s hard not to wonder if they’re still together, or where they were going with those Christmas presents.
To some extent, those questions can be addressed with the help of biographical clues. The version of “Early December in Croton-on-Hudson” that appeared in The Atlantic in 1967 was dedicated to Charles Hertz, a Columbia University graduate student who was Glück’s first husband. They divorced a few years later. Glück, who died in 2023, was never shy about putting her life into her work.
But the poem we are reading now is not just the record of a passion that has long since cooled. More than 50 years after “Firstborn,” on the occasion of receiving the Nobel Prize for literature, Glück celebrated the “intimate, seductive, often furtive or clandestine” relations between poets and their readers. Recalling her childhood discovery of William Blake and Emily Dickinson, she declared her lifelong ardor for “poems to which the listener or reader makes an essential contribution, as recipient of a confidence or an outcry, sometimes as co-conspirator.”
That’s the kind of poem she wrote.
“Confidence” can have two meanings, both of which apply to “Early December in Croton-on-Hudson.” Reading it, you are privy to a secret, something meant for your ears only. You are also in the presence of an assertive, self-possessed voice.
Where there is power, there’s also risk. To give voice to desire — to whisper or cry “I want you” — is to issue a challenge and admit vulnerability. It’s a declaration of conquest and a promise of surrender.
What happens next? That’s up to you.
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Can You Identify Where the Winter Scenes in These Novels Took Place?
Cold weather can serve as a plot point or emphasize the mood of a scene, and this week’s literary geography quiz highlights the locations of recent novels that work winter conditions right into the story. Even if you aren’t familiar with the book, the questions offer an additional hint about the setting. To play, just make your selection in the multiple-choice list and the correct answer will be revealed. At the end of the quiz, you’ll find links to the books if you’d like to do further reading.
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From NYT’s 10 Best Books of 2025: A.O. Scott on Kiran Desai’s New Novel
When a writer is praised for having a sense of place, it usually means one specific place — a postage stamp of familiar ground rendered in loving, knowing detail. But Kiran Desai, in her latest novel, “The Loneliness of Sonia and Sunny,” has a sense of places.
This 670-page book, about the star-crossed lovers of the title and several dozen of their friends, relatives, exes and servants (there’s a chart in the front to help you keep track), does anything but stay put. If “The Loneliness of Sonia and Sunny” were an old-fashioned steamer trunk, it would be papered with shipping labels: from Allahabad (now known as Prayagraj), Goa and Delhi; from Queens, Kansas and Vermont; from Mexico City and, perhaps most delightfully, from Venice.
There, in Marco Polo’s hometown, the titular travelers alight for two chapters, enduring one of several crises in their passionate, complicated, on-again, off-again relationship. One of Venice’s nicknames is La Serenissima — “the most serene” — but in Desai’s hands it’s the opposite: a gloriously hectic backdrop for Sonia and Sunny’s romantic confusion.
Their first impressions fill a nearly page-long paragraph. Here’s how it begins.
Sonia is a (struggling) fiction writer. Sunny is a (struggling) journalist. It’s notable that, of the two of them, it is she who is better able to perceive the immediate reality of things, while he tends to read facts through screens of theory and ideology, finding sociological meaning in everyday occurrences. He isn’t exactly wrong, and Desai is hardly oblivious to the larger narratives that shape the fates of Sunny, Sonia and their families — including the economic and political changes affecting young Indians of their generation.
But “The Loneliness of Sonia and Sunny” is about more than that. It’s a defense of the very idea of more, and thus a rebuke to the austerity that defines so much recent literary fiction. Many of Desai’s peers favor careful, restricted third-person narration, or else a measured, low-affect “I.” The bookstores are full of skinny novels about the emotional and psychological thinness of contemporary life. This book is an antidote: thick, sloppy, fleshy, all over the place.
It also takes exception to the postmodern dogma that we only know reality through representations of it, through pre-existing concepts of the kind to which intellectuals like Sunny are attached. The point of fiction is to assert that the world is true, and to remind us that it is vast, strange and astonishing.
See the full list of the 10 Best Books of 2025 here.
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