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Lena Waithe's religion is 'The Wizard of Oz.' Here's what she learned from it. : Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Lena Waithe shares why her least favorite thing is being wrong.
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Lena Waithe shares why her least favorite thing is being wrong.
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A note from Wild Card host Rachel Martin:
Lena Waithe knows what she wants. She wants people to look outside of their own lives to try to understand other people and the choices they make. Her TV shows and films are these powerful little empathy engines.
Waithe became the first Black woman ever to win an Emmy for comedy writing on the show Master of None. She’s also the creator of the comedy series Boomerang and Twenties. She wrote the film Queen & Slim and was a producer on the movie Dear White People.
But for me, Waithe’s real triumph is The Chi. The show takes place where she grew up on the south side of Chicago. It’s about Black people living at the margins of society with little to no room for error. It is also about family and loyalty and joy. I love this show because every character is given their full humanity. You cannot put anyone in a tidy column of good or bad or say, “This person is worthy of respect and this person’s not.” People are complicated, beautiful and broken, and Waithe doesn’t want you to look away because if you do, you’re going to miss the truth that she’s putting out into the world – which is that judging people is harder when you start to understand them.
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This Wild Card interview has been edited for length and clarity. Host Rachel Martin asks guests randomly-selected questions from a deck of cards. Tap play above to listen to the full podcast, or read an excerpt below.
Question 1: When did you feel like you found your people?
Lena Waithe: Michael Svoboda – who was a writer’s PA on The Game when I was an assistant at Girlfriends – he and I just really vibed. And he was just like, “Yo, I got a writer’s group that I do where we sit and write original pilots that we’re working on to kind of help us get some stuff done.” And I walked into that writer’s group and I just like found all these amazing people that I’m still tight with today.
Rachel Martin: Tell me how that jibes with your hometown Chicago and your experience there, because it sounds like your people were writers. Did you not have that in some way in Chicago?
Waithe: I was a bit of an oddball in Chicago because I was obsessed with TV, obsessed with movies. Like, people go to the movies and watch TV shows – it’s a pastime. And I think my family could tell it was more than that for me – I would be just enthralled by it and be thinking about it.

Like, I have like a Wizard of Oz tattoo. I have Judy Garland. I have the lion. I have the scarecrow. I have all of it, because that movie was more than a movie for me. It was almost like a Bible to life.
It’s like – you always think there’s something out there that’s better than where you’re at right now. But the truth is, when you go out there and get to the Emerald City and meet the wizard, you realize it’s not really what you thought it was. And then all you long for when you’re in the Emerald City is to go where?
Martin: Home.
Waithe: Exactly. And it’s a lesson none of us really learn, still. You know, we still are trying to go, like, “I gotta get to the Wizard – if I could just get to the Emerald City, everything will be fine.”
And then you get there, you’re just like, “I’m still not fine.” And so I think the big reason why Wizard of Oz is such a religion and a reminder for me is that there is no Emerald City that will feel like home.
Martin: Was that sad for you? Was there a grief attached to that?
Waithe: No, it helped me to slow down. Because the truth is, there’s always something you want. And that’s fine, you know, you need that thing to make you want to go. But you got to remember that it’ll be nice if it happens. It’ll be cool. But you don’t want it to be a thing that, if you don’t get it, you can’t find happiness.
Question 2: What makes you irrationally defensive?
Waithe: Irrationally defensive? (laughs) Oh my gosh.
I don’t like to be wrong. My least favorite thing is getting something wrong. And that can be in many ways, you know, it’d be a relationship, you know, some trivia, you know what I mean?
Martin: I love that those were in the same breath..
Waithe: I know it’s like relationship, like Taboo, you know what I mean? I’m not good at not being good at things. So I can get defensive when I’m not like succeeding at something.
Martin: When’s the last time you were wrong about something?
Waithe: Oh, recently. I thought a particular actress was in Game of Thrones. And she wasn’t, and I was so ticked because I was like, “Are you sure that’s not her?” And I looked it up too. I was like, “Let me see, let me see!”

Martin: Right, of course! Because you believed with every fiber of your being that she was in Game of Thrones.
Waithe: I really did. That’s what I’m saying. Like, I was so not happy about that in that moment because I never get that stuff wrong, but it’s okay.
Martin: We’re going to forget you were wrong about that one. No one has to know.
Waithe: Now everybody knows.
Question 3: What’s your best defense against despair?
Waithe: Ooooooh. I love this Baldwin quote. He says to Nikki Giovanni in a beautiful conversation that they’re having where she thinks she’s a pessimist. And he says, “No, you’re a realist. You’re cool, but you’re not a pessimist.” He’s like, “Because you’re alive.” And I think my biggest defense against despair is the fact that I’m alive. Is that I’m here. And even though it can feel like a curse, it is the greatest gift to be Earthside at this time.
And you can’t run away from despair. You can try. I love that Solange song, “Cranes in the Sky,” because it’s all about ways in which we try to run away. So you can try to shop it away, smoke it away, you know, like sex away. You can’t.
The music video for Solange Knowles’ song “Cranes in the Sky.”
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Martin: So in the particular, when it has come for you, do you just sit there and like say an affirmation? Like, “I’m alive?” You look in the mirror, you pinch yourself like…
Waithe: No, I’m a sleeper. I’ll try to sleep it away. I try to watch The Comeback, you know, which is my favorite go-to.
Martin: Really? That brings you back from the brinks of despair?
Waithe: No, it just reminds me of a character that is so flawed. But yet, I love and root for so much. Like, Valerie Cherish is a game changing character for me. When I watch that show, I can’t help but look at Valerie Cherish and go, “Alright. I’m alright, I’m okay, I’ll be alright,” You know – that character and that show, The Comeback, ladies and gentlemen, go find it.
Martin: Despair beware!
Waithe: When you are in despair, go watch the first season of The Comeback, okay? And you will be like, “What am I experiencing? And I feel better now cause I’m laughing and also like completely have secondhand embarrassment.”
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Clashes With Federal Agents in Minneapolis Escalate
Fear and frustration among residents in Minneapolis have mounted as ICE and Border Patrol agents have deployed aggressive tactics and conducted arrests after the killing of Renee Good by an immigration officer last week.
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“Open it. Last warning.” “Do you have an ID on you, ma’am?” “I don’t need an ID to walk around in — In my city. This is my city.” “OK. Do you have some ID then, please?” “I don’t need it.” “If not, we’re going to put you in the vehicle and we’re going to ID you.” “I am a U.S. citizen.” “All right. Can we see an ID, please?” “I am a U.S. citizen.”
By Jamie Leventhal and Jiawei Wang
January 13, 2026
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Lindsey Halligan argues she should still be U.S. attorney, accuses judge of abuse of power
Top Justice Department officials defended Lindsey Halligan’s attempts to remain in her position as a U.S. attorney in court filings Tuesday, responding to a federal judge who demanded to know why she was continuing to do so after another judge had found that her appointment was invalid.
The filing, signed by Halligan, Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, accused a Trump-appointed judge of “gross abuse of power,” and attempting to “coerce the Executive Branch into conformity.”
Last week, U.S. District Judge David Novak, who sits on the federal bench in Richmond, ordered Halligan to provide the basis for her repeated use of the title of U.S. attorney and explain why it “does not constitute a false or misleading statement.”
Novak gave Halligan seven days to respond to his order and brief on why he “should not strike Ms. Halligan’s identification as United States attorney” after she listed herself on an indictment returned in the Eastern District of Virginia in December as a “United States attorney and special attorney.”
U.S. District Judge Cameron Currie had ruled in November that Halligan’s appointment as interim U.S. attorney was invalid and violated the Constitution’s Appointments Clause, and she dismissed the cases Halligan had brought against former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James.
The statute invoked by the Trump administration to appoint Halligan allows an interim U.S. attorney to serve for 120 days. After that, the interim U.S. attorney may be extended by the U.S. district court judges for the region.
Currie found that the 120-day clock began when Halligan’s predecessor, Erik Siebert was initially appointed in January 2025. Currie concluded that when that timeframe expired, Bondi’s authority to appoint an interim U.S. attorney expired along with it.
The judge ruled that Halligan had been serving unlawfully since Sept. 22 and concluded that “all actions flowing from Ms. Halligan’s defective appointment” had to be set aside. That included the Comey and James indictments.
In their response, Bondi, Blanche and Halligan called Novak’s move an “inquisition,” “insult,” and a “cudgel” against the executive branch. The Justice Department argued that Currie’s ruling in November applied only to the Comey and James cases and did not bar Halligan from calling herself U.S. attorney in other cases that she oversees.
“Adding insult to error, [Novak’s order] posits that the United States’ continued assertion of its legal position that Ms. Halligan properly serves as the United States Attorney amounts to a factual misrepresentation that could trigger attorney discipline. The Court’s thinly veiled threat to use attorney discipline to cudgel the Executive Branch into conforming its legal position in all criminal prosecutions to the views of a single district judge is a gross abuse of power and an affront to the separation of powers,” the Justice Department wrote.
In his earlier order, Novak said that Currie’s decision “remains binding precedent in this district and is not subject to being ignored.”
The Justice Department called Currie’s ruling “erroneous”: and said that Halligan is entitled to maintain her position “notwithstanding a single district judge’s contrary view.”
On Monday, the second-highest ranking federal prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia, Robert McBride, was fired after he refused to help lead the Justice Department’s prosecution of Comey, a source familiar with the matter told CBS News. McBride is a former longtime federal prosecutor in Kentucky’s Eastern District and had only been on the job as first assistant U.S. attorney for a few months after joining the office in the fall.
Halligan is a former insurance lawyer who was a member of President Trump’s legal team, and joined Mr. Trump’s White House staff after he won a second term in 2024. In September, Halligan was selected to serve as interim U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia after her predecessor abruptly left the post amid concerns he would be forced out for failing to prosecute James.
Just days after she was appointed, Halligan sought and secured a two-count indictment against Comey alleging he lied to Congress during testimony in September 2020. James, the New York attorney general, was indicted on bank fraud charges in early October. Both pleaded not guilty and pursued several arguments to have their respective indictments dismissed, including the validity of Halligan’s appointment, and claims of vindictive prosecution.
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Scott Adams, the controversial cartoonist behind ‘Dilbert,’ dies at 68
Cartoonist Scott Adams poses with his a life-size cutout of his creation, Dilbert, in 2014.
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Scott Adams, the controversial cartoonist who skewered corporate culture, has died at age 68, He announced in May 2025 that he had metastatic prostate cancer and only months to live.
Months later, in November, Adams took to X to request — and receive — some very public help from President Trump and Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in addressing health insurance issues that had delayed his treatment with an FDA-approved cancer drug called Pluvicto.
Adams said he was able to book an appointment the next day. Despite the Trump administration’s public intervention, Adams shared on his YouTube show in early January 2026 that “the odds of me recovering are essentially zero.”
Adams’ former wife, Shelly Miles, announced his death Tuesday during a YouTube livestream, and then read a statement from Adams who said, “I had an amazing life. I gave it everything I had. If you got any benefits from my life, I ask you pay it forward as best you can.”

Adams rose to fame in the early 1990s with his comic strip Dilbert, satirizing white-collar culture based on his own experiences working in company offices. He made headlines again in the final years of his life for controversial comments about race, gender and other topics, which led to Dilbert‘s widespread cancellation in 2023.
Dilbert, which at its height was syndicated in some 2,000 newspapers across 65 countries, spawned a number of books, a video game and two seasons of an animated sitcom.
“I think you have to be fundamentally irrational to think that you can make money as a cartoonist, and so I can never answer succinctly why it is that I thought this would work,” Adams told NPR’s Weekend Edition in 1996. “It was about the same cost as buying a lottery ticket and about the same odds of succeeding. And I buy a lottery ticket, so why not?”
He said that he had “pretty much always wanted to be a famous cartoonist,” even applying to the Famous Artists School, a correspondence art course, as a pre-teen.
“I was 11 years old, and I’d filled out the application saying that I wanted to be a cartoonist,” he said. “It turns out, as they explained in their rejection letter, that you have to be at least 12 years old to be a famous cartoonist.”
Turning to more practical matters, Adams studied economics at Hartwick College in Oneonta, N.Y. and earned an MBA from UC Berkeley. He also trained as a hypnotist at the Clement School of Hypnosis in the 1980s.
Adams began his career at Crocker National Bank, working what he described in a blog post as a “number of humiliating and low paying jobs: teller (robbed twice at gunpoint), computer programmer, financial analyst, product manager, and commercial lender.”
He then spent nearly a decade working at Pacific Bell — the California telephone company now owned by AT&T — in various jobs “that defy description but all involve technology and finances,” as Adams put it in his biography. It was there that he started drawing Dilbert, working on the strip on mornings, evenings and weekends from 1989 until 1995.
“You get real cynical if you spend more than five minutes in a cubicle,” he told NPR’s Weekend Edition in 2002. “But I certainly always planned that I would escape someday, as soon as I got escape velocity.”
Adams satirized corporate culture for decades
Scott Adams works on his comic strip in his California studio in 2006. He announced in May that he was dying of metastatic prostate cancer.
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Dilbert revolves around its eponymous white-collar engineer as he navigates his company’s comically dysfunctional bureaucracy, alongside his sidekick: an anthropomorphized, megalomaniac dog named Dogbert.
“Dilbert is a composite of my co-workers over the years,” Adams wrote on his website. “He emerged as the main character of my doodles. I started using him for business presentations and got great responses … Dogbert was created so Dilbert would have someone to talk to.”
Dilbert — with his trademark curly head, round glasses and always-upturned red and black tie — fights a constant battle for his sanity amidst a micromanaged, largely illogical corporate environment full of pointless meetings, technical difficulties, too many buzzwords and an out-of-touch manager known only as Pointy-haired Boss.
Even after Adams quit his day job, he kept a firm grasp on the absurdities and mundanities of cubicle life with help from his devoted audience.
He included his email address on the strip and said he got hundreds of messages each day. Recurring reader suggestions ranged from stolen refrigerator lunches to bosses’ unrealistic expectations.
“So they all, for example, say, ‘I need this report in a week, but make sure that I get it two weeks early so I could look at it,’” Adams said. “Just bizarre stories where it’s clear that they either have never owned a watch or a calendar or they are in some kind of a time warp.”
Dilbert‘s storylines evolved alongside office culture, taking aim at a growing range of societal and technological topics over the years. In 2022, Adams introduced Dave, the strip’s first Black character, who identifies as white — a choice critics interpreted as poking fun at DEI initiatives.
That ushered in an era of anti-woke plotlines that saw dozens of U.S. newspapers drop the strip in 2022, foreshadowing its widespread cancellation just a year later.
The comic strip was cancelled over Adams’ comments
Adams didn’t limit himself to cartoons. He was a proponent of what he called the “talent stack,” combining multiple common skills in a unique and valuable way: like drawing, humor and risk tolerance, in his case.
He ventured briefly into food retail at the turn of the millennium, selling vegetarian, microwavable burritos called Dilberitos. He published several novels and nonfiction books unrelated to the Dilbert universe over the years.
Adams was open about his health struggles throughout his career, including the movement disorder focal dystonia — which particularly affected his drawing hand — and, years later, spasmodic dysphonia, an involuntary clenching of the vocal cords that he managed to cure through an experimental surgery.
And he opined on social and political events on “Real Coffee with Scott Adams,” his YouTube talk series with over 180,000 subscribers.
His commentary, which often touched on race and other hot-button issues, led to Dilbert‘s widespread cancellation in February 2023.
In a YouTube livestream that month, Adams — while discussing a Rasmussen public opinion poll asking readers whether they agree “It’s OK to be white” (which is considered an alt-right slogan) — urged white people to “get the hell away from Black people,” labeling them a “hate group.” The backlash was swift: Dozens of newspapers across the country ditched Dilbert, and the comic’s distributor dropped Adams.
The incident also renewed focus on numerous controversial comments Adams had made in the past, including about race, men’s rights, the Holocaust and COVID-19 vaccines. Adams defended his remarks as hyperbole, and later said getting “canceled” had improved his life, with public support coming from conservative figures like Elon Musk and Charlie Kirk.
Adams, in his final years, was a vocal supporter of President Trump and a critic of Democrats.
But he extended his “respect and compassion” to former President Joe Biden in a video the day after Biden’s prostate cancer diagnosis became public in May 2025.
The prognosis was personal for Adams: He shared that he too had metastatic prostate cancer and only months to live, saying he expected “to be checking out from this domain sometime this summer.”
“I’ve just sort of processed it, so it just sort of is what it is,” he said on his YouTube show. “Everybody has to die, as far as I know.”
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