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‘Grey’s Anatomy’ Boss on the Season 22 Finale: How Teddy and Owen Say Goodbye and That Surprising Meredith Twist

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‘Grey’s Anatomy’ Boss on the Season 22 Finale: How Teddy and Owen Say Goodbye and That Surprising Meredith Twist

SPOILER ALERT: This interview contains major spoilers from “Bridge Over Troubled Water,” the Season 22 finale of ABC’s “Grey’s Anatomy.”

Doctors Owen Hunt (Kevin McKidd) and Teddy Altman (Kim Raver) have finally clocked out of Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital.

In the Season 22 finale of the ABC medical drama, Owen survives a bridge collapse on his way to work and, true to form, springs into action to save all four members of a family who were also caught in the wreckage. After being unable to reach Owen, who was unable to find a cell connection, Teddy begins to fear the worst, especially when the fire department found his truck abandoned in the water under the bridge.

Confiding in Richard (James Pickens Jr.), Teddy laments that her final conversation with Owen may have been a disagreement over whether she should take a new job offer in Paris. But while overseeing Blue’s (Harry Shum Jr.) care of a patient in the ER, Teddy notices that a key chain matching Owen’s own was used to perform a cricothyrotomy in the field, giving her a glimmer of hope that Owen had made it out alive. After operating on that patient with Kwan, Teddy walks into the OR next door and finds Owen working to save the father of the family he was treating.

Once they save him, Teddy tells Owen in the scrub room that she will turn down the job because he is “the only thing that makes me feel like home.” Owen tells her that she will take the job — because he and their kids will move to Paris for her. “We wanted to tell this story that beautifully answered what Teddy had done at the end of last season [by choosing herself],” showrunner Meg Marinis tells Variety. “She was presented with an opportunity, and for once, Owen follows Teddy.”

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The finale — helmed by McKidd, who holds the record for directing most “Grey’s” episodes, at 49 — is filled with “a lot of Easter eggs” that “maybe only the most diehard Teddy/Owen fans will catch,” Marinis adds. “We really studied how each of their characters came onto the show, and what they came onto the show searching for, and we gave them the best ending that we could at this time.”

Owen was introduced in Season 5 as a rogue Army trauma surgeon who was honorably discharged following the death of his entire platoon. The following season, Owen enlisted his close friend Teddy, a cardiothoracic surgeon, to act as the new mentor of his love interest, Cristina Yang (Sandra Oh). This led to the first of multiple love triangles involving Owen and Teddy, with Owen marrying Cristina in Season 7 and Teddy departing at the end of Season 8 following the tragic death of her husband Henry (Scott Foley).

Shortly after Teddy returned in Season 14, she became pregnant with Owen’s child amid his separation from his second wife, Amelia Shepherd (Caterina Scorsone). Since then, Teddy and Owen found themselves in another love triangle with Tom Koracick (Greg Germann), got married and became parents to two children, and then grew apart after a failed attempt at an open marriage. But now, they will ride off into the sunset together. (For an interview with Kevin McKidd and Kim Raver, read this.)

In a wide-ranging chat, Marinis opens up below about the “painful” experience of saying goodbye to two characters who remain inextricably linked with the “Grey’s” legacy. She also unpacks protagonist Meredith Grey’s (Ellen Pompeo) surprising admission after nearly losing her partner Nick Marsh (Scott Speedman) in the same bridge collapse, and teases what to expect from the 23rd season. Despite reports that the show’s renewal in March will come with a significant budget cut or a reduced order, Marinis says that the exact number of episodes next season is still being worked out.

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Can you walk me through your decision to write off Teddy and Owen this season?

It was a super painful decision, from the bottom of my heart. I’m very close to both of those characters and those actors. Kevin has directed double digits of episodes that I’ve written. So it was a very difficult episode to write, and it surprised me how difficult it was to even watch. But when we were faced with needing to exit [someone], it made the most sense for where their characters were in their lives. It felt like it was time. After the ups and downs of their relationship this season, I knew I wanted them to exit together. I thought they finally deserved to be happy, and it became clear to me that maybe they can’t be happy in Seattle — and that’s where the decision was made.

When did you make that decision?

Shortly after the new year. It’s no secret what’s happening with network shows, and we’re not an exception, unfortunately.

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You have found some creative ways to keep “Grey’s” on the air for the last few years while facing the financial realities of the TV business — like not using every series regular in every episode — but it sounds like you reached a point where you had to let someone go.

Obviously, even though we do go through all of these budget conversations, we try to let the creative dictate the story. Some of our characters, even if they aren’t still married, have children together, so it’s very tricky how to exit characters and what the impact is going to be to the other. It is pretty tough to maintain a large ensemble, especially for 22 years, in today’s financial climate in the industry. If it were up to me solely, I wouldn’t be writing anybody off ever, but I have to see where the story goes and follow the story. Again, I can’t express how these have been some painful few months for the “Grey’s” family.

You once revealed that you, Kim and Kevin have a table at Joe’s Bar where you have story conversations while filming “Grey’s.” Was that also the case with their exits? Did you speak with them together?

Those conversations were all had separately. I didn’t want to have those as a group of three. It was important to me that the characters were also seen as separate characters, with their individual contributions to the show, and we all have separate relationships with each other. So those initial conversations were had between Kevin, Max Gao Shonda [Rhimes] and I, and then Kim, Shonda and I. They were difficult conversations from the very beginning, because all of us love the characters so much, and it’s been such a long journey and it’s hard to say goodbye. But the nice thing on this show is that we always have room for people to come back and visit.

How involved was Shonda in their departures?

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I pitched her the storylines of how to do it. Anything that is big, I pitch it to her first. It’s her show. She deserves to know big moves like that. But she was involved in those initial conversations with Kim and Kevin.

You mentioned that you and your writers thought about what Owen and Teddy were each searching for when they arrived at this hospital. What were they searching for?

I think that Owen was searching for a home. After he lost his entire squad in war and he had that PTSD of what it is like to be the sole survivor, he came to Seattle looking for connection and for a home. He found that through Grey Sloan and the people that work there.

Teddy came to Seattle for Owen. He called her, and she thought she was coming to be with him and it was a surprise that he was with Cristina. In that first episode, she says, “Oh, I misread this.” So when she says that in the scrub room, that’s a callback. Owen quickly corrects her in this finale and says, “No, no, no, I’m coming with you.” So there are little things like that that we snuck in there and that Kevin was fully aware of as the director. There’s even some musical cues in there that, again, unless you’re a diehard Teddy/Owen fan, you might not catch. But for those of us who work on the show and love those characters, it was very meaningful to us.

For two characters who spent so much of their lives at this hospital, Teddy and Owen leave Grey Sloan pretty abruptly. Did you ever write any scenes of them saying goodbye to colleagues?

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Well, they don’t make their decision until very late in the episode. I wanted to celebrate them, and sometimes when you have a bunch of goodbyes, it also becomes about the other characters and it feels like you’re not really concentrating on the character that you’re trying to write the exit for. Even though they were leaving together, I really wanted to celebrate the two of them individually, so it was very important to me also to show their [montages] separately.

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I was personally surprised to hear how open Meredith is to the idea of getting married again, especially since Derek (Patrick Dempsey) was the first true love of her life. How did she reach the conclusion that she was actually willing to take that next step with Nick, whom she even calls her husband in the ER?

This was something that we planned out from the beginning of the season. I told Ellen that I wanted to end with a proposal. She wanted to see how it played out, but in that middle episode in the season this year when his sister came to visit, we learned more about Nick — and so did Meredith. Meredith learned that he had had this dream of having this marriage and this happy home life, and it got taken away from him.

Obviously, she’s always had a complicated relationship with marriage, even with Derek. She didn’t want to get married in the traditional sense. And after losing her husband in such a horrific way, she was like, “No way am I going to go through that again.” And when it almost happens again, she realizes, “Oh, it doesn’t matter if we’re married or not. It still hurts. So why not do this thing that I know that he wants?” He’s done so much for her. He’s moved multiple times. When she makes these big career decisions, he is still by her side. This is her trying to show him the love is the same from her. She loves him; she doesn’t want to live without him. She doesn’t have to get married and he won’t make her get married. But she’s going to, because why not give it to him if it doesn’t make a difference based on what she just went through?

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Will Meredith and Nick’s wedding happen on screen next season, or are they going to elope between seasons?

I don’t know, because I don’t know if he’ll be “RJ Decker” again or not. [The fate of Speedman’s ABC P.I. drama has not yet been announced.] But I don’t think Meredith is a big traditional wedding girl. She kind of said as much, but we’ll see.

Will Ellen’s involvement with the show remain the same next season?

We still haven’t quite figured that out yet, but ideally, yes.

Jo (Camilla Luddington) admits to Link (Chris Carmack) that she did not take the OB exam she was studying for, and she confides in him that she doesn’t know if she wants to be an OB or even a doctor anymore. What exactly is going through her head at this point for her to reach that conclusion?

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She’s going through a little bit of a postpartum emotional journey based on what she went through midseason. There’s so many characters on this show who have gone through health scares that pretty quickly recover, and two episodes later, they’re back to normal. That is not the case with women who have difficult deliveries and almost lose their lives and their babies’ lives. I didn’t want to just brush everything under the rug. I thought that was a disservice to the reality.

We have a maternal mortality crisis in our country right now. Everyone thinks it’s a happy ending when the mother and the baby survive, but it’s much more complicated than that, and we really wanted to tell that story. We’ve gotten so much feedback on how powerful women find this story and that they’re seeing their own stories in Jo. The difference for Jo — the reason that it’s related and mixed in with her career — is because her actual career is her trigger right now. She’s having to watch women go through this over and over again before her eyes as their doctor. It’s [about] whether or not she can get the help that she needs to be able to return to that — or is it better not to return to it? That’s what she’s looking at right now.

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Link will support whatever decision Jo makes, but he is also not-so-secretly taking pills to treat the shoulder injury that he suffered in last season’s hospital explosion. Does Link have a pill-popping problem now? Are you going to be exploring addiction through him next season?

We will in a more nuanced way than the stereotypical thing of seeing someone popping pills every five minutes. What he’s grappling with right now is — Link is a traditional guy, in that he doesn’t want to show any weakness and he wants to take care of his wife and children. He sees that she’s going through this, so in his mind, it’s like, “I can’t go through something that she’s going through. I got to be there for her. I got to take care of her.” He’s going to have to figure out: Is he going to tell her, or is he going to power through? There might be a little bit of powering through before he says something to her, so we’ll have to see where that takes him.

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Blue is officially fired for injecting a patient with an unapproved drug, and in a devastating twist, he is humiliated by and forced to give his badge back to Richard in front of Catherine (Debbie Allen). Is this the last we have seen of Blue?

We will have to see, but I am glad that it was devastating because that was the intent. We’ve always seen Richard soften, but we wanted to show a different story this time. If you look at Catherine’s face, she has this face of, “Was that the right decision that Richard just made?” So we’ll definitely pick that up when we return.

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Why was Richard harder on Blue here? Bailey (Chandra Wilson) injected a patient with an unapproved drug over a decade ago, and Richard was more forgiving.

Richard’s lost the residency program before, and that is not that far back into the past. We don’t really talk about this so much on the show, but this residency program has essentially just gotten back on its feet with the class of Simone [Alexis Floyd], Lucas [Niko Terho], Blue and everyone. So he’s trying to protect the residency program — that’s where it’s coming from. It comes out much sterner, but we’ll get more into that when we return.

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Bailey will likely fight for Blue’s reinstatement, but for now, she has just made the decision to pursue a masters in public health. Why was that the next step you wanted to take in her evolution?

I was interested in what it would look like if Bailey — the teacher of all teachers — became a student again. I also think that it’s nice to see her take a little page out of Ben’s [Jason George] book that you can do things at any point in your career. It’s OK to want more. So it’s nice to see those roles reversed, and we’re just going to have to see: Does she have the bandwidth to be the student at the same time as being the teacher, and what kind of obstacles come from that?

Speaking of Ben, he was just accepted into a new plastics fellowship with new attending Toni Wright (Jen Landon). What did you want to accomplish with his arc this season, and what does this promotion mean for him going forward?

Putting Ben in navy scrubs was in my season pitch to Shonda and the studio/network at the beginning of this year. It was really important to me to see that character grow and be at the level where he deserves to be, especially out of the shadow of Bailey. [I wanted] to see him really stand on his two feet as a surgeon and be looked at as someone who could potentially have a leadership role in the hospital.

In doing that, we introduced this mentor for him, and I love their dynamic. She is someone who doesn’t know his history at the hospital. So it’s allowing him to be free and shed all of those past mistakes or things that he’s done and just concentrate on the medicine and on the patient care and really stand up for what he believes in. The moment when she tells him about the fellowship in the episode that aired last week — it’s one of my favorite moments in the season. That look on his face is great! She says, “Welcome to the team,” and then you see him in the navy scrubs, and it’s well-deserved. It was a long time coming.

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I love plastic surgery cases. I love that it’s a specialty where we see a lot of healing and repair and transforming to feel more like the person they are on the inside. The stories can be harrowing, hopeful, devastating. We haven’t done a lot of them since Jackson [Jesse Williams] was on the show, so I’m really excited to show Ben in that aspect and, now that he’s a fellow, to see him more on the same playing field as a lot of our attendings.

“Grey’s” being “Grey’s,” you have a lot of romantic entanglements to untangle at the start of next season. Let’s start with unpacking the Simone-Lucas-Wes (Trevor Jackson) love triangle.

Last season, we left a lot of people in physical danger. This season, my goal was we would know that people were physically OK, but all of their emotional lives would be like a different kind of explosion. We saw Lucas have a lot of character growth this season in his taking care of Katie [a patient who died due to the cancellation of her clinical trial amid medical research funding cuts]. Nico had some of the best performances too, and going through that made him realize what is important in his life.

He and Simone sleeping together was a mistake. It was a drunk mistake. But over the course of the day, he’s realizing, “Does it have to be? I’m in a different place. She’s in a different place.” I don’t think Simone thought it was an option. I also don’t think she thought Wes being more than something casual was an option. She just thought she had an ex over here that she had drunk sex with, and someone that she is sleeping with on this [other] side. I don’t think she had any idea that both of these guys were going to come to her at the end of this episode expressing that they wanted more.

You wanted to explore a different kind of subordinate-superior relationship with Winston (Anthony Hill) and Jules (Adelaide Kane), but now they have truly crossed that professional line into personal territory. They have done a decent job of hiding the fact that they’re sleeping together… until the end of the finale.

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I know that some people want them to be together, some people don’t want them to be together. I find that their chemistry is great. I find them so charming together. He resisted for two seasons, because he was so scared of what the power dynamic would do to their careers and each other. And finally, he decided to follow his heart. And now what he’s scared of could possibly happen, because Ben definitely saw them — and Ben is definitely going to tell his wife!

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Toni shows up at Amelia’s (Caterina Scorsone) front door and confesses that she has fallen for her — only for Toni to realize that Amelia just hooked up with Cass (Sophia Bush). Are you trying to set up another love triangle here? Or was Amelia’s hook-up with Cass more of a one-night stand?

We’ll always have to wait and see. But, for me, Amelia truly believed that Toni was going back to her wife, and she was brokenhearted about it and trying to make herself feel better. We know Cass is in a happy marriage, but it’s an open marriage. So I think that after being in Amelia’s orbit today with the Meredith and Nick of it all and having a difficult day at work with the bridge collapse, [Cass] was also looking to feel a little bit better, and they went and had coffee that we didn’t see, and it turned into something else. I think Toni is just devastated. We’re going to have to figure out: Can Amelia dig her way out of this hole? I think she wants to be with Toni; she just thought it wasn’t an option.

Lastly, I loved getting to see some old clips of Cristina in those final montages, because she was such a key part of Teddy and Owen’s arcs back in the day. Assuming that Cristina is still in Switzerland, do you think that she would meet up with Teddy and Owen again in Europe?

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Of course! Call me to write that show! I’m a diehard “Grey’s” fan. Any kind of scene with Cristina Yang — again, I would love to. I don’t know what the future holds, but the door is always open for returning characters here to come visit and have those episodes. We’ve done it with others, and we’ll do it again.

This interview has been edited and condensed.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Mark Schiefelbein has been based in Washington, D.C., with AP for about three years, and before that spent a decade in Beijing at AP’s China bureau.

Here’s what he had to say about this extraordinary photo.

Why this photo?

This was an event that had never happened before in the 250-year history of the United States and may never happen again: a night of mixed martial-arts cage match brawls on the South Lawn of the White House, with bloodied competitors battling it out in front of the president, vice president, and other leaders of the country. AP had other photographers ringside at the event focusing more on the fights themselves. So I felt my role was to capture the context of the evening — the location, the people in attendance, the environment.

How I made this photo

A small group of other photographers and I, the White House press pool, had been allowed to photograph part of the evening from a position in the stands directly opposite the White House. I was carrying four cameras with a variety of lenses from 12 mm to 300 mm. This let me capture everything from ultra-wide views of the “claw” structure built for the fights, to close-ups of leaders and celebrities in attendance. I had been following Diego Lopes with my longest lens as he moved around the ring celebrating his win over Steve Garcia. When I saw him start to climb onto the cage, I immediately realized there might be a possibility of a picture like this and zoomed out to capture more of the scene.

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The White House is surely one of the most recognizable buildings in the world. The columns of the South Portico, the fighter standing with arms and legs spread wide in celebration, and the octagon padding of the UFC ring tell an entire story as your eyes move from top to bottom of the frame. With Lopes standing with his back to the camera, facing the White House, it becomes less a photo of him and more about the evening, the event, and the spectacle. It was fortunate that it was after nightfall, so things that might have been distracting, like the Marine Band and spectators seated behind the ring, are mostly in the dark. Only the key elements – the White House, Lopes, and the ring are lit up.

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Andy Burnham has officially won his special election and regained a seat in Parliament, setting him up to challenge the deeply unpopular Keir Starmer as the leader of the Labour party and as prime minister.

Burnham, currently the mayor of Greater Manchester in northwest England, won a seat in Makerfield and came away with 55% of the vote in a field of more than a dozen candidates, according to The Associated Press. The runner-up was Rob Kenyon of Reform UK, a right-wing populist party, who received more than 9,000 fewer votes than Burnham.

Burnham last served as a member of Parliament in 2017 but strongly implied in his victory speech that he is returning with the intention to lead the United Kingdom.

“Everyone knows that politics isn’t working. Everyone can feel that the country isn’t where it should be. Tonight could, just could, be the turning point,” he said, according to the AP. “This result will bring about a country that works fairly for everywhere and for everybody.”

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Britain’s Labour party candidate Andy Burnham speaks to supporters after the Makerfield by-election in Ashton in Makerfield, England, on Friday, June 19, 2026. (Jon Super/AP)

This special election, called by-elections in Britain, was unusually significant because the area’s Labour MP, Josh Simons, intentionally resigned to allow Burnham to win the seat and pursue leadership.

The potentially outsized impact of this election was juxtaposed with the strange scene that unfolded when all the candidates gathered on Friday morning to hear the results. Burnham stood in between an independent candidate dressed in a fox costume and another candidate known as “Count Binface”.

As his name suggests, “Count Binface,” whose real name is Jonathan David Harvey, was wearing a trash can on his head and regularly runs in U.K. elections to advocate for increased voter turnout.

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Starmer congratulated Burnham in a social media post on X, saying voters “chose Labour’s campaign of hope and optimism over division and hate.”

When asked about Burnham’s intentions to oust him as leader, Starmer said he will fight to remain prime minister, a position he has held for nearly two years.

“I’ve said repeatedly I’m not going to walk away from that,” Starmer told reporters.

Labour party candidate Andy Burnham, center, stands with other candidates on the podium at the Edge Wigan, awaiting the Makerfield by-election result announcement in Wigan, England, on Friday, June 19, 2026. (Jon Super/AP)

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Starmer led the Labour party to a landslide victory in July 2024 and ever since, his popularity has been eroding thanks to a persistently high cost of living, an anemic economy and a scandal over his willingness to accept gifts from wealthy donors.

Last September, Starmer was slammed for appointing Peter Mandelson as the British ambassador to the United States, when it was known as early as 2019 that Mandelson had a friendship with convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Following an enormous public backlash, Mandelson was quickly dismissed from his post.

With Starmer as leader, Labour is increasingly losing liberal-minded voters to the Green Party, while also facing stronger challenges by Reform UK, a Nigel Farage-led party that advocates against mass migration and in favor of tighter border controls. Farage, an ally of U.S. President Donald Trump, said he was disappointed by Burnham’s victory.

Burnham is expected to head to London to be sworn in as soon as Monday. Under the British parliamentary system, the governing party can hold leadership elections in the middle of the term. The winner of such a contest can become prime minister without there having to be a national election.

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer awaits Switzerland’s Federal President Guy Parmelin on the sidelines of the G7 summit, in Evian-les-Bains, France, on Tuesday, June 16, 2026 (Isabel Infantes/Pool Reuters via AP)

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Under Labour rules, a lawmaker can challenge the leader if they win the backing of a fifth of their party’s members in the House of Commons. Burnham has enough lawmakers on board to trigger a leadership contest, according to a report from The New Statesman.

According to the AP, Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy said Burnham and Starmer will “have a conversation about what comes next” in the next few days.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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French President Emmanuel Macron and Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez have issued a blistering rebuke against deportation camps outside the European Union, setting their countries on a collision course with a growing political majority.

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During a summit on Friday, 19 leaders across the bloc signed a joint declaration calling to make “full use” of a new European law that enables the construction of so-called return hubs to host migrants whose asylum applications have been denied.

The coalition, led by Denmark and Italy, two fierce advocates of outsourcing, wants to “move forward with solutions based in third countries as soon as possible”.

But for Macron and Sánchez, this path runs counter to European values and risks squandering financial resources and undercutting relations with neighbouring Africa.

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“I am not sure that this is our Europe. I don’t know if these are the fundamental principles on which our Europe was built,” Macron said at the end of the summit on Friday.

“And I don’t think it’s effective, either. The proof is that I have not seen anyone make it work so far,” he went on, underscoring his strong dissatisfaction. (Italy has set up migration centres on Albanian soil but has fallen short of expected targets.)

“I have a lot of respect for anyone who wants to do it. I disagree, both pragmatically and in principle. I think it has nothing to do with European politics.”

Macron said his country was in favour of tougher laws to curb irregular arrivals but drew a red line on the physical transfer of migrants to faraway countries where they have never set foot. That possibility, long considered taboo, is allowed under a revamped Return Regulation described as the “strictest-ever” migration law.

“There is a question, in fact, around these famous return hubs in third countries. France does not support this policy. We are in favour of a more effective return policy. But first of all, I have never seen a return hub in a third country operate,” Macron went on.

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“I invite you to consider what it is (in practice): this means that people who do not want to return to their country of origin or who cannot get back to their country of origin will be pushed into a third country, which will accept them in return for money.”

Macron mocked the jargonistic term “innovative solutions” that proponents of migration offshoring often use in their public communication and challenged the notion that host countries would respect human rights in exchange for financial incentives.

“I am a big supporter of innovation in my country,” he said, saying he would later attend the Vivatech festival in Paris. “But I am always very careful when talking about innovation in values and human rights. Allow me to have that reservation.”

Meanwhile, Sánchez, a vocal critic of the measures, said the deportation camps would be an “absolutely inefficient” and “worthless” response to irregular migration.

“It’s a mirage, if you will, that it will simply waste economic resources, and Europe doesn’t have many,” the Spaniard said after the summit in Brussels.

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“Secondly, it sends a wrong message to those countries of origin and transit with which we should be collaborating, cooperating and showing empathy towards.”

Macron echoed Sánchez’s reputational concerns and insisted he would not allow EU funds to be used in any capacity to build the deportation camps, which are “neither effective nor do they correspond with our principles”.

“Sometimes, we hear one or the other (country) advocate policies with the African continent, so good luck defending our credibility on these continents by explaining that we will use the money for investments to build return hubs on their continents,” he said.

“What world do we live in?”

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