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She missed out on 'Mean Girls' 20 years ago — but Busy Philipps got a second chance
Busy Philipps attends the Mean Girls premiere in New York City on Jan. 8, 2024.
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Busy Philipps attends the Mean Girls premiere in New York City on Jan. 8, 2024.
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When the 2004 blockbuster Mean Girls came out, Busy Philipps was irked. “I was jealous that I wasn’t in it, to be honest,” she says. “I couldn’t even audition for it because I was filming White Chicks.”
Twenty years later, Philipps is making up for that missed opportunity, playing Mrs. George, mother of queen bee Regina George, in the new musical film version of Mean Girls. A mother of two, Philipps says she found Mrs. George’s quest for her daughter’s approval particularly relatable.
“I am famous. People think I’m cool. But you [are] just never cool to your kids. Ever,” she jokes.
Philipps says she feels especially lucky for the chance to work with Mean Girls writer and actor Tina Fey. In the comedy series Girls5eva, which Fey also co-produced, Philipps plays a member of a girl group trying to make it decades after their one hit.
Philipps got her start in Hollywood when she was 19, playing tough girl Kim Kelly on the critically acclaimed — but short-lived — series Freaks and Geeks. She says Fey and Freaks and Geeks creator Paul Feig are among the few producers who never asked her to change her body for a role.
“God, so many things were asked of me,” she says of her previous Hollywood roles. “I’ve been asked to lose weight like a billion times. I was told at one point to consider having all my moles removed from my neck and face and my body.”
Philipps reflected on her career and the sexism she faced in Hollywood in the 2018 memoir, This Will Only Hurt a Little.
Interview Highlight
On playing Mrs. George in the 2024 musical movie Mean Girls
I’m in the Mean Girls movie for, I don’t know, 10 minutes? I have no idea, not that long, but I love figuring out what makes that character kind of heartbreaking too. … How can I show the full range of personhood [for] these characters that [are] kind of two dimensional on the page? …
I tried the best I could to sort of imbue the character with that thing of, like, she’s been waiting her whole life to have girlfriends who love her, and she has these girls around her, and she’s still on the outside looking in, and she’s like, even as a mom, what’s wrong with me? I just think it’s so deeply relatable and sad and just kind of breaks your heart. So that was how I approached this comedic role.
On working with Tina Fey on the new Mean Girls and Girls5eva
I don’t know how I got so lucky, except that I’ll take it and I’m so glad. I’m so grateful for it, because I did spend so much of my early career wanting to be in the boys’ club of comedy, and always feeling like I don’t understand why I’m not. I just don’t get it. Why am I not in this club? …
I was such a huge, huge fan of hers. Of course her career meant everything to me. Like there was nothing better than 30 Rock. It made me laugh so hard. And I didn’t understand how there were so many jokes. It’s so dense. I mean, that’s what sometimes on Girls5eva, I’m like, I don’t even know what this is, but I’m going to say it because I assume it’s a joke. …
I’ve gotten to work with her in so many different capacities, both as a producer who’s pitching me jokes for my show, helping us break it and figure out what it is, and then handing me these amazing roles: Summer on Girls5Eva and now Mrs. George.
On how her lisp as a child led her to performing
I had a lisp when I was little. I was like Cindy Brady. … I couldn’t say my R’s or my Th’s or my S’s, in first grade and second grade. And then I got a speech therapist. … But my mom kind of convinced me to do this poem in the talent show, which had a lot of the aforementioned letters that were hard for me. But I worked so hard on it because I wanted to do really well, and I wanted to make people laugh. It was like a silly poem. And I did it and it felt so good. And then I was like, “Oh, this is the thing. Everybody has to look at me. And if I do it right, they’re gonna laugh and they’re gonna clap and everybody’s gonna be looking at me.”
On the collaborative environment on the Freaks and Geeks set
I was 19 when I did the pilot of Freaks and Geeks. The set was incredible. Everyone was really young. Judd Apatow and Paul Feig and Jake Kasdan were at the helm, and they were so respectful of all of us kids as being valid and having a voice in what we were doing. I didn’t understand that that’s not how television worked, or movies or entertainment for that matter, because it felt so collaborative. … The way that they made that show was with such heart and such love for the characters, and they really extended that to us in a way that was so I know now rare and and so generous.
Heidi Saman and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Beth Novey adapted it for the web.
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What worked — and what didn’t — in the ‘Stranger Things’ finale
Sadie Sink as Max Mayfield.
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Yes, there are spoilers ahead for the final episode of Stranger Things.
On New Year’s Eve, the very popular Netflix show Stranger Things came to an end after five seasons and almost 10 years. With actors who started as tweens now in their 20s, it was probably inevitable that the tale of a bunch of kids who fought monsters would wind down. In the two-plus-hour finale, there was a lot of preparation, then there was a final battle, and then there was a roughly 40-minute epilogue catching up with our heroes 18 months later. And how well did it all work? Let’s talk about it.
Worked: The final battle
The strongest part of the finale was the battle itself, set in the Abyss, in which the crew battled Vecna, who was inside the Mind Flayer, which is, roughly speaking, a giant spider. This meant that inside, Eleven could go one-on-one with Vecna (also known as Henry, or One, or Mr. Whatsit) while outside, her friends used their flamethrowers and guns and flares and slingshots and whatnot to take down the Mind Flayer. (You could tell that Nancy was going to be the badass of the fight as soon as you saw not only her big gun, but also her hair, which strongly evoked Ripley in the Alien movies.) And of course, Joyce took off Vecna’s head with an axe while everybody remembered all the people Vecna has killed who they cared about. Pretty good fight!
Did not work: Too much talking before the fight
As the group prepared to fight Vecna, we watched one scene where the music swelled as Hopper poured out his feelings to Eleven about how she deserved to live and shouldn’t sacrifice herself. Roughly 15 minutes later, the music swelled for a very similarly blocked and shot scene in which Eleven poured out her feelings to Hopper about why she wanted to sacrifice herself. Generally, two monologues are less interesting than a conversation would be. Elsewhere, Jonathan and Steve had a talk that didn’t add much, and Will and Mike had a talk that didn’t add much (after Will’s coming-out scene in the previous episode), both while preparing to fight a giant monster. It’s not that there’s a right or wrong length for a finale like this, but telling us things we already know tends to slow down the action for no reason. Not every dynamic needed a button on it.
Worked: Dungeons & Dragons bringing the group together
It was perhaps inevitable that we would end with a game of D&D, just as we began. But now, these kids are feeling the distance between who they are now and who they were when they used to play together. The fact that they still enjoy each other’s company so much, even when there are no world-shattering stakes, is what makes them seem the most at peace, more than a celebratory graduation. And passing the game off to Holly and her friends, including the now-included Derek, was a very nice touch.
Charlie Heaton as Jonathan Byers, Natalia Dyer as Nancy Wheeler, Maya Hawke as Robin Buckley, and Joe Keery as Steve Harrington.
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Did not work: Dr. Kay, played by Linda Hamilton
It seemed very exciting that Stranger Things was going to have Linda Hamilton, actual ’80s action icon, on hand this season playing Dr. Kay, the evil military scientist who wanted to capture and kill Eleven at any cost. But she got very little to do, and the resolution to her story was baffling. After the final battle, after the Upside Down is destroyed, she believes Eleven to be dead. But … then what happened? She let them all call taxis home, including Hopper, who killed a whole bunch of soldiers? Including all the kids who now know all about her and everything she did? All the kids who ventured into the Abyss are going to be left alone? Perfect logic is certainly not anybody’s expectation, but when you end a sequence with your entire group of heroes at the mercy of a band of violent goons, it would be nice to say something about how they ended up not at the mercy of said goons.


Worked: Needle drops
Listen, it’s not easy to get one Prince song for your show, let alone two: “Purple Rain” and “When Doves Cry.” When the Duffer Brothers say they needed something epic, and these songs feel epic, they are not wrong. There continues to be a heft to the Purple Rain album that helps to lend some heft to a story like this, particularly given the period setting. “Landslide” was a little cheesy as the lead-in to the epilogue, but … the epilogue was honestly pretty cheesy, so perhaps that’s appropriate.
Did not work: The non-ending
As to whether Eleven really died or is really just backpacking in a foreign country where no one can find her, the Duffer Brothers, who created the show, have been very clear that the ending is left up to you. You can think she’s dead, or you can think she’s alive; they have intentionally not given the answer. It’s possible to write ambiguous endings that work really well, but this one felt like a cop-out, an attempt to have it both ways. There’s also a real danger in expanding characters’ supernatural powers to the point where they can make anything seem like anything, so maybe much of what you saw never happened. After all, if you don’t know that did happen, how much else might not have happened?
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Sunday Puzzle: P-A-R-T-Y words and names
On-air challenge
Today I’ve brought a game of ‘Categories’ based on the word “party.” For each category I give, you tell me something in it starting with each of the letters, P-A-R-T-Y. For example, if the category were “Four-Letter Boys’ Names” you might say Paul, Adam, Ross, Tony, and Yuri. Any answer that works is OK, and you can give answers in any order.
1. Colors
2. Major League Baseball Teams
3. Foreign Rivers
4. Foods for a Thanksgiving Meal
Last week’s challenge
I was at a library. On the shelf was a volume whose spine said “OUT TO SEA.” When I opened the volume, I found the contents has nothing to do with sailing or the sea in any sense. It wasn’t a book of fiction either. What was in the volume?
Challenge answer
It was a volume of an encyclopedia with entries from OUT- to SEA-.
Winner
Mark Karp of Marlboro Township, N.J.
This week’s challenge
This week’s challenge comes from Joseph Young, of St. Cloud, Minn. Think of a two-syllable word in four letters. Add two letters in front and one letter behind to make a one-syllable word in seven letters. What words are these?
If you know the answer to the challenge, submit it below by Wednesday, December 31 at 3 p.m. ET. Listeners whose answers are selected win a chance to play the on-air puzzle.
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