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Despite mixed reviews, 'Joker 2' is on track to be one of the biggest comic-book-film flops

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Despite mixed reviews, 'Joker 2' is on track to be one of the biggest comic-book-film flops

Joaquin Phoenix, left, returns as Arthur Fleck in a half-musical, half-courtroom drama sequel with co-star Lady Gaga.

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The DC Comics villain Joker has always faced tough crowds. But even he might not have been ready for the cold reception his sequel received on opening weekend.

With the massive success of the first Joaquin Phoenix Joker film in 2019, anticipation was high for the follow-up, which included Todd Phillips as the returning director, and also stars Lady Gaga.

But after a sub-par opening weekend and a barrage of poor reviews, Joker: Folie à Deux is quickly shaping up to be remembered as a flop and arguably one of the biggest disappointments in comic book film history.

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CinemaScore, which polls moviegoers during a film’s opening night, gave the sequel a D — which is considered the lowest CinemaScore ever given to a studio comic book movie. Before Joker, it was Fantastic Four (2015) that held the bottom mark with a C-minus.

If that wasn’t harsh enough, PostTrak, which also surveys audiences, rated the the Warner Bros. film a half star out of five, according to Deadline. Rotten Tomatoes pegged it at just 33% on its Tomatometer.

At the box office, Joker: Folie à Deux earned roughly $40 million in domestic ticket sales during its opening weekend — a fraction of the $200 million it reportedly cost to make. And it also pales in comparison to its original Joker’s debut in 2019, which grossed over $96 million and became the biggest October box office hit. (And let’s not forget that the first of these two grossed $1 billion worldwide, becoming the first R-rated movie in history to do so.)

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Joker: Folie à Deux follows Arthur Fleck in the aftermath of his murder spree from the first film. At Arkham State Hospital, he meets and falls in love with fellow inmate Harley Quinn (“Lee”) a.k.a Lady Gaga. All the while, Fleck’s trial begins, questioning whether his madness was the result of a psychological disorder or part of an elaborate act.

Some film critics and comic book fans thought the sequel strayed too far from the original film, feeling unmoved by the sequel’s musical direction — which came as a surprise to many moviegoers — and unconvinced by its subversive ending. Others simply felt the plot was “wafer-thin” and underwhelming, including the highly-anticipated love story of Fleck and Lee. On that note, some also complained that Gaga’s talents were underutilized.

NPR’s in-house film critic, Bob Mondello, gave the sequel more of a mixed review, stating that it did not deepen our understanding of the characters, but praised its stunning visuals and commended the film for taking risks.

Joker: Folie a Deux maybe is a folly, but credit the filmmakers with taking a big swing and crossing up genre expectations,” he said on All Things Considered.

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Actress and singer Lady Gaga, director Todd Phillips, center, and actor Joaquin Phoenix during the 81st International Venice Film Festival at Venice Lido, on Sept. 4.

Actress and singer Lady Gaga, director Todd Phillips, center, and actor Joaquin Phoenix during the 81st International Venice Film Festival at Venice Lido, on Sept. 4.

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Glenn Kenny in RobertEbert.com wrote “The movie is narratively, psychologically, and aesthetically incoherent” but did give some props to Phoenix and Gaga’s performances.

“Both Lady Gaga and Phoenix clearly put a lot of work into their characterizations and interactions. The different performance modes they use in singing, for instance, low-key and fallible in their own “real lives,” full-on, professional quality belting in their shared dreams,” he said.

IndieWire’s David Ehrlich echoed that the film fell flat but applauded the choice of making it a musical: “No other genre makes it so easy to appreciate all the fun you’re not having.”

He added, “Once again, Phillips has made a movie that Joker himself would probably approve of. This time, however, I’m much less convinced that other people will share the same enthusiasm for it.”

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Some critics have suggested that it was the film’s intention all along to defy the genre’s expectations and fanfare surrounding Joker. The title “Folie à Deux” means “madness of two” in French — not only a nod to Fleck and Lee’s relationship, but the twisted bond between Joker and moviegoers. For that, some have hailed the film as “brilliant.”

And there are yet others waiting to see if next weekend at the box office will be any different.

Either way, there is a bittersweet undertone to the sequel. Over the past few weeks, director Todd Phillips has made it clear to reporters that he is not interested in making a third Joker or solo Harley Quinn movie.

For those hoping the criticism would have been put to constructive use in another Phillips Joker film, well, the joke’s on them.

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‘How to Rule the World’ explores education and power at Stanford University

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Students walk on the Stanford University campus on March 14, 2019, in Stanford, Calif.

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When Theo Baker arrived at Stanford University a few years ago, he joined the student newspaper, following the path of his journalist parents, Peter Baker, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, and Susan Glasser, a writer for The New Yorker.

Through his reporting as a student journalist, he eventually broke a story about manipulated data in Stanford President Marc Tessier-Lavigne’s neuroscience research that helped lead to the university president’s resignation.

Theo Baker’s book, How to Rule the World: An Education in Power at Stanford University was released May 19. In it, Baker describes Stanford as a place where proximity to Silicon Valley gives rise to a parallel system of influence, recruitment and money, with investors looking to identify promising students almost as soon as they arrive on campus.

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He told Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep there was “a sort of Stanford inside Stanford,” where elite students are drawn into an “alternate reality” of excess and access to cut corners.

In the interview, he discusses how Stanford is not just a university but also a pipeline where status and power can matter as much as ideas.

We reached out to Stanford University for comment and have not heard back.

Listen to the interview by clicking play on the blue box above.

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The Italian fashion group behind Diesel and Maison Margiela is taking full ownership of the avant-garde haute couture house, acquiring the remaining 30 percent it didn’t already own. Founders Viktor Horsting and Rolf Snoeren remain creative directors.
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How having zero points in tennis — or ‘love’ — came to sound so sweet

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How having zero points in tennis — or ‘love’ — came to sound so sweet

The scoreboard shows the results of the women’s singles final match between Iga Swiatek of Poland and Amanda Anisimova of the U.S. at the Wimbledon Tennis Championships in London, Saturday, July 12, 2025.

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Fifteen points in tennis? Nice. Thirty, 40 — even better. Advantage — that sounds good. “Love” — that also must be great, right? Well, not quite.

As the French Open rolls on and Serena Williams has announced her return to the sport, maybe you’ve been paying a little more attention to tennis. The sport’s scoring system is notably distinct, and can sometimes be hard to grasp for newcomers. But even tennis aficionados might not know why, or how, “love” became the unmistakable callout for zero points. For this installment of NPR’s Word of the Week, we’re exploring how a word that signifies trailing behind got such a sweet name.

“Love” comes from the heart — or an egg?

It’s hard to pinpoint when the first tennis ball went over the net. Tennis is a derivative of lots of other sports, such as “jeu de paume,” a handball game played in France, said JT Buzanga, the collections manager at the International Tennis Hall of Fame museum.

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But tennis became a patented, official sport in 1874, said Steve Flink, a journalist whose tennis coverage got him inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame. It has retained its unique, mysterious scoring system ever since.

“By and large, the original system has held up almost entirely,” Flink said.

The use of “love” goes back to the late 18th century, said Jesse Sheidlower, a lexicographer. But it was used earlier than that in card games such as whist and bridge. Before the term made its way to tennis, the sport favored plain old “nothing,” or “nil,” he said.

Why love in the first place, though? Historians don’t really know for sure, but there are a few theories.

The French could have something to do with it. Some historians believe “love” derives from “l’oeuf,” which means “the egg” in French. Because eggs are shaped like zeros, terms such as “goose egg” and “duck’s egg” have been used in other contexts to mean zero, Sheidlower said.

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It’s also possible English speakers mispronounced l’oeuf as “love.” But Sheidlower isn’t convinced that’s the answer.

“It’s the French equivalent of an English expression. But since that expression doesn’t appear in French, the French word wouldn’t have been used,” he said.

To be sure, France has had a lot of influence on tennis culture, Buzanga said. For example, “deuce” or a game tied at 40 points, comes from the French word for “two”: “deux.” But he prefers another prominent theory: that “love” comes from the idiom “for the love of the game.” Even if a player hasn’t scored, it doesn’t matter, because their heart is in it. It’s the theory Sheidlower said is the most plausible, because the idiom was used by the English before tennis was popularized.

Another variation of the “love of the game” theory is that the word could have come from the Dutch “lof,” or “honor” — or the Latin “amare,” meaning “to love,” Flink said.

But if tennis’ “love” doesn’t come from a French word, the theory at least has a French sensibility.

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“I think the ‘for the love of the game’ is kind of romantic,” Buzanga said.

“Love” probably isn’t going anywhere

Tennis used to be a sport of leisure. The style of play has changed a lot over the years; players are more athletic and competitive, for instance, Flink said. But the rules of the sport are more steadfast, he said.

“There’s this incredible, enduring respect for tradition in tennis,” he said. “Changes are not made easily.”

There has been one major change in modern history: the tie-break. Matches can go on and on because players have to score two consecutive points to break a deuce, or by two games to break a tied set. But the onset of television meant matches would have to get shorter if the sport wanted to capture a larger audience, Flink said.

Change even came for “love.” An alternative sprouted up in the 1970s, and is still used today: “bagel,” named for its zero shape, Sheidlower said. Novices may say “zero,” and insiders will understand what they mean, but they “will needle them about it,” Flink said.

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But “love” still prevails.

“People kind of like it,” Flink said. “It’s different. Why say zero when you can say love?”

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