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BOSTON — With two minutes left until halftime of a second-round closeout game, Al Horford spotted a loose ball deep in the right corner. The Boston Celtics led the Cleveland Cavaliers by five points with a chance to advance to the Eastern Conference finals, but Horford believed his team lacked energy. He wanted to lift everyone.

As the ball headed toward the Boston bench, Horford engaged in a race against two visible threats: Dean Wade and the out-of-bounds line. A third threat, which Horford first committed to fighting off early in his career, went unseen. Horford turned 38 on June 3 and has long engaged in a competition against Father Time.

Horford won the race against Wade for a rebound and saved the possession by throwing the ball off the Cavaliers forward. As the Boston bench rose to let Horford know the value of his hustle, fans inside TD Garden roared.

It was nothing new for Horford to deliver a timely play in a big game, but savoring such moments seems wise these days. No matter how hard he tries to preserve his physical gifts, his body eventually will break down.

Though his longevity receives attention because of his continued status as a key piece on a title contender, it has taken him decades of work to reach this point of his career, still with so much left to give the game.

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Horford’s on-court presence is a feat. Now wrapping up his 17th season, he is one of only five players left from the 2007 NBA Draft. Only six players older than Horford logged minutes this season. In that group, only LeBron James, Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry were regulars in team rotations.

In a league with enough skill and 3-point shooting to punish some of the best defensive centers, Horford was the oldest NBA big man to receive nightly playing time. To date, he has dodged the factors that can derail a career — injuries, wear and tear and off-court issues.

Horford will enter the NBA Finals against the Dallas Mavericks ranked 98th all-time in regular-season minutes played and 26th all-time in postseason minutes played. His teammates marvel at not just the way he still performs, but also how he has set himself up to do so.

Jayson Tatum, who says Horford stays in “perfect shape,” has stolen parts of the veteran’s daily routine. Payton Pritchard, whose locker sits next to Horford’s at the Celtics practice facility and TD Garden, says he watches everything Horford does to pick up how to approach the game. Celtics head coach Joe Mazzulla, two years younger than Horford, calls it an honor to coach a player like him. On a roster loaded with hard-working veterans, Horford is the role model for other role models.

Horford has gone to great lengths to postpone the inevitable. Long before age started to diminish him physically, Horford began working toward this type of sustained success. Even before he considered playing this many years in the NBA a realistic possibility, he paid close attention to the work habits of elite athletes. He picked the brains of NBA legends. He worked briefly with Alex Guerrero, Tom Brady’s longtime fitness and nutrition advisor and co-founder of TB12, their injury prevention company. He also sought advice from Brady himself.

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If the Celtics go on to win the championship this season, it would come in no small part due to Horford’s ability to hold off the effects of age.

“It’s funny,” the five-time NBA All-Star said, “because I feel like everybody has been talking about me being old since I was, like, 23 years old. Because I was already thinking ahead, thinking team, thinking all these other things (about the future), and that’s just who I am.”


Al Horford has been a key part of Boston’s playoff run this season. (Adam Glanzman / Getty Images)

Horford picked up a nickname during his freshman season at the University of Florida: The Godfather. At 18, he was already no-nonsense.

“He just had this ability to lead,” said Duke Werner, the men’s basketball athletic trainer at Florida and now the school’s assistant athletic director for sports health. “The way he went about his business, he was just very professional at a young age.”

In the early 2000s, the Gators already were prioritizing recovery for their athletes. Under Werner and head coach Billy Donovan, it was mandatory for players to receive recovery treatments after each practice. Among the options were massage therapy, cryotherapy and flexibility programs.

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Werner emphasized these activities were crucial — and not just on the days the players were feeling less than their best. For teenagers, the importance of proper physical maintenance doesn’t always come easily. But for Horford, who had watched his father, Tito, take great care of himself throughout a long professional basketball career that included 63 games over three NBA seasons, the message sank in quickly.

“What set Al apart a little bit on that was his curiosity about how to stay healthy and how to be the best that he could be,” Werner said. “At that age, a lot of guys aren’t doing that. There are a lot of other things they’re worried about other than trying to stay healthy.”

When Horford arrived on campus as the 47th-ranked recruit, Werner and Donovan discussed the need for him to improve his lateral quickness and explosiveness. They believed his body was too stiff. Horford took the message to heart.

He averaged 22.8 minutes per game as a freshman on a team that starred Anthony Roberson, David Lee and Matt Walsh. While finishing a respectable 24-8 in 2004-05, the Gators were building the foundation of a team that would go on to win back-to-back national championships.

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Horford and his recruiting class, which included Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer, took over the reins of the team the following season. At practices, Florida did an injury prevention program before stretching.

According to Werner, the players went through four stations, which included ankle and lower back work. For a while, Werner and Donovan believed Horford and Brewer were too lax in their attitude during that portion of practice. Eventually, Werner and Donovan called the two players into the office.

“From then on, boy, Horf was serious,” Werner said.

Horford said Werner’s advice convinced him to take better care of his body. During a three-year career at Florida, he only missed two games. Werner remembered Horford only had one injury during his time at the school.

“I had a high ankle sprain,” Horford said, “and I kind of played through it.”

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The Godfather approached everything from the film room to the weight room with great diligence. After winning the national title as sophomores, Horford, Noah, Brewer and Taurean Green returned to Florida and did it again as juniors. In the summer of 2007, those four plus teammate Chris Richard were selected in the NBA Draft.

“They all played in the NBA,” Werner said. “We always kind of had a guess that he would probably stick around (the NBA) the longest. We always thought with his maturity level that he would be the guy still playing.”

Werner’s lessons stuck with Horford, who named the trainer as one of the reasons for his NBA longevity. The curiosity to learn more about what worked best for his body never left.


Horford with the Florida Gators in the 2006 NCAA Tournament. (Elsa / Getty Images)

In 2015, near the end of a day with Guerrero at the TB12 training facility, Horford saw Brady walk into the gym. It was during the summer, the depths of the NFL offseason. Still, Brady looked game-ready.

“He was already so locked in,” Horford said.

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In Atlanta, where Horford played at the time, the Hawks medical staff was changing. The transition helped convince Horford to look for training support elsewhere. Horford wanted to explore the TB12 program after seeing Brady’s commitment to his nutrition and lifestyle. Before the 2015-16 season, he visited the facility in Foxborough, Mass., to undergo testing and learn, from Guerrero, some of Brady’s tricks.

Horford also investigated the approaches of other elite athletes, including Cristiano Ronaldo and LeBron James. If he found something that would benefit him, he pursued it. In his 20s, he reached out to Manu Ginóbili and Vince Carter — two NBA All-Stars who played into their 40s — for advice.

“They all preach very similar things — treatment and staying after and being committed,” Horford said. “For me, honestly, I feel like a lot of guys my age try to do all those things as we understand the importance of it.”

Horford first hired a personal chef during his second season in the NBA. His current chef has been with him for 10 years. She’s moved from city to city — including two stops in Boston — all to work with him. At this point, Horford said, she’s family.

“She’s connected with the team, as well,” Horford said. “She’s very conscious of everything that I need to be eating, how I should eat before the game, how I should eat postgame, how I should eat the next day for recovery, and just making sure that we’re maximizing and eating as clean as we can. It’s all things that are going to help me perform better, foods are going to put me in the best position.”

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Outside of his diet, Horford continued to hunt additional ways to maximize his physical gifts. After learning about Brady’s unique style of preparation, Horford wanted to discover more.

Why?

“For me,” Horford said, “it’s just Tom.”

At TB12, according to Guerrero, Horford wanted to focus on two areas: injury prevention and a position-specific workout regimen that would allow him to flourish for years to come. Still in his 20s, he was already thinking about the shifting NBA game. During the 2015-16 season, Horford started shooting 3-pointers regularly for the first time. He also wanted to change his body to keep up with the new demands of his position.

“We talked about, what is your ultimate playing weight based off your position?” Guerrero said. “At your position, what does that entail? Do you need to move? Is it more based on speed or quickness, quickness or power and strength? Once he began to define that for himself and his position, you can make a customizable program for him that’s based on what he’s looking to achieve.”

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Some of the lessons were scientific. Guerrero emphasized that Horford’s body would undergo a physiological shift every five years and he would need to adapt his program according to his body’s new reality. The quicker he adjusted to the changes, essentially by retraining his brain and body, the easier it would be to achieve longevity.

“The idea was being able to play and continue to do what you love doing for as long as you want,” Guerrero said. “We talked at the very beginning that the game should never take it away from you. You should be able to leave on your terms.”

While Horford was at the facility, he and Brady discussed a wide range of topics, including nutrition, hydration and workout regimens. During the conversation, Brady, whose extraordinarily strict diet has been well publicized, emphasized that what worked for him wouldn’t necessarily work for everyone else.

“For me, it was, like, how can I fit that into my lifestyle?” Horford said, adding that his diet was never as strict as Brady’s. “How can I take some of this stuff and use it to my benefit?”

As much as anyone, Brady valued his time. Guerrero considered that crucial for any professional athlete whose time is limited because they are pulled in so many directions. Everything Brady did had a purpose.

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“Your workouts are purpose-specific,” Guerrero said. “Your diet is purpose-specific. Your recovery is purpose-specific. All with the goal of making sure you maximize the time that you have in a given day.”

Horford said the most lasting lesson that day came from witnessing Brady’s focus, determination and commitment to the everyday process.

“I’ve never seen somebody so present, period,” Horford said. “I feel like a lot of the times, we’re always thinking about different things or thinking ahead or thinking whatever. And he was just very, very, very, very in the moment. That was something that really stuck with me.”


Like Tom Brady, Horford is hoping to bring a championship to Boston. (Maddie Meyer / Getty Images)

At the Celtics practice facility in early February, hours before a game against James’ Lakers, Horford raved about the way the 39-year-old has adjusted his game with age. It seemed telling that Horford, who understands the physical investment James has made over the years, focused more on James’ ability to adapt over time.

These days, Horford said, James is more likely to let one of his teammates take control of the offense while he works off the ball.

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“It’s not easy to adjust to the game,” Horford said.

Horford should know. Not many players in this generation have done it better. He didn’t attempt 10 3-pointers in a single season until the seventh season of his career, but he eventually became a knockdown outside shooter because he saw where the game was headed and what he would need to survive in it.

After shooting 44.6 percent on 3-point attempts last season, he followed by hitting 41.9 percent on such attempts this season. With modifications to his game, he has found new ways to make an impact even as some of his athleticism wanes.

Years ago, Danny Ainge predicted Horford would be the rare star able to thrive in a smaller role late in his career. During Horford’s second season with the Celtics, Ainge was told the big man could potentially play until 40. It was the first time Horford had considered playing so long.

“Danny Ainge is the one that put that in my head a little bit,” Horford said.

Ainge believed in the possibility for several reasons: He embraced a clean lifestyle. He possessed an adaptable game, a healthy body and the right mentality.

“He’s a versatile player,” Ainge said. “He may not be the same player at 40 that he is at 32, but he’s gonna be able to still contribute, and that’s part of it. It’s not just the body part, but the mental part. I think Al has the humility to just play a lesser role and be part of a team.”

Horford accepted a sixth-man role this season for the first time in his career. He attempted a career-low 6.4 field goals per game during the regular season. The Celtics utilized him primarily as a floor spacer, not the offensive hub he used to be.

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To preserve his body, he sat out one leg of regular season back-to-backs. He still prepared to handle large minutes when necessary. That need arrived early in the playoffs when Kristaps Porziņģis suffered a calf injury during Game 3 of the Celtics’ first-round series against Miami.

With Porziņģis missing every game since, Horford slid into the starting lineup. The first unit with him in has blasted opponents by 18 points per 100 possessions through Boston’s first 14 postseason games. The Celtics have been 12.7 points better per 100 possessions with Horford on the court during the playoffs.

Though he had some trouble stopping Donovan Mitchell in the second round against the Cavaliers, he consistently shut down Darius Garland on switches during the closeout game of that series. To help lead a Game 3 comeback win against the Pacers one round later, Horford drilled seven 3-pointers, blocked three shots and grabbed three offensive rebounds.

To Horford’s teammates, it’s no secret why he’s still a major factor in his 17th season, or why, in a league where many big men get played off the court deep in the playoffs, he never has. Before games, Horford can be seen using resistance bands to stretch each of his big toes for several minutes. There is no body part too small to strengthen or exercise too monotonous to adopt.

Horford doesn’t take days off. When the Celtics don’t have practice or a game, he said he typically does some sort of cardio exercise, 30 to 40 minutes of stretching, soft tissue work if needed, weight training if he’s due for it, and, “as much as I can,” an additional workout on the court.

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“Doing that, to me, it’s important,” Horford said. “If I can, I like just getting outside, getting out in the sun preferably. I feel like it does help me, so that’s what I do. I don’t have a super elaborate (off-day schedule), but I do make sure that I’m being productive on the off days.”

Horford has long thought about his future. How much longer does he hope to play?

“My whole thing has always been this: as long as I feel good physically,” Horford said in February. “I don’t want to feel limited. I don’t want to be not myself out there. So, I don’t want to put a limit on it. And that’s the one thing that I saw from Tom (Brady), one of the things I took from him that I thought was great. Just listening to interviews with him and things like that, he never put a limit on when he was going to play, and I don’t want to limit myself with that.”

With the NBA Finals starting Thursday in Boston, Horford is four wins away from what would be the first championship in his illustrious career. The Mavericks, led by Luka Dončić and Kyrie Irving, will test his defense. His ability to withstand their attacks and occupy Dallas’ rim protectors on the other end of the court could help decide the series, especially if Porziņģis is limited.

Horford will be ready for the challenge.

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“I feel like I’ve prepared my body and myself to be in this position,” he said. “And even though it’s hard, it’s something I welcome.”

(Illustration: Sean Reilly / The Athletic; photos: Scott Cunningham, Adam Glanzman / Getty Images)

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6 Poems You Should Know by Heart

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‘Prayer’ (1985) by Galway Kinnell

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Whatever happens. Whatever
what is is is what
I want. Only that. But that.

Galway Kinnell in 1970. Photo by LaVerne Harrell Clark, © 1970 Arizona Board of Regents. Courtesy of the University of Arizona Poetry Center

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“I typically say Kinnell’s words at the start of my day, as I’m pedaling a traffic-laden path to my office,” says Major Jackson, 57, the author of six books of poetry, including “Razzle Dazzle” (2023). “The poem encourages a calm acceptance of the day’s events but also wants us to embrace the misapprehension and oblivion of life, to avoid probing too deeply for answers to inscrutable questions. I admire what Kinnell does with only 14 words; the repetition of ‘what,’ ‘that’ and ‘is’ would seem to limit the poem’s sentiment but, paradoxically, the poem opens widely to contain all manner of human experience. The three ‘is’es in the middle line give it a symmetry that makes its message feel part of a natural order, and even more convincing. Thanks to the skillful punctuation, pauses and staccato rhythm, a tonal quality of interior reflection emerges. Much like a haiku, it continues after its last words, lingering like the last note played on a piano that slowly fades.”

“Just as I was entering young adulthood, probably slow to claim romantic feelings, a girlfriend copied out a poem by Pablo Neruda and slipped it into an envelope with red lipstick kisses all over it. In turn, I recited this poem. It took me the remainder of that winter to memorize its lines,” says Jackson. “The poem captures the pitch of longing that defines love at its most intense. The speaker in Shakespeare’s most famous sonnet believes the poem creates the beloved, ‘So long as men can breathe or eyes can see, / So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.’ (Sonnet 18). In Rilke’s expressive declarations of yearning, the beloved remains elusive. Wherever the speaker looks or travels, she marks his world by her absence. I find this deeply moving.”

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Lucille Clifton in 1995. Afro American Newspapers/Gado/Getty Images

“Clifton faced many obstacles, including cancer, a kidney transplant and the loss of her husband and two of her children. Through it all, she crafted a long career as a pre-eminent American poet,” says Jackson. “Her poem ‘won’t you celebrate with me’ is a war cry, an invitation to share in her victories against life’s persistent challenges. The poem is meaningful to all who have had to stare down death in a hospital or had to bereave the passing of close relations. But, even for those who have yet to mourn life’s vicissitudes, the poem is instructive in cultivating resilience and a persevering attitude. I keep coming back to the image of the speaker’s hands and the spirit of steadying oneself in the face of unspeakable storms. She asks in a perfectly attuned gorgeously metrical line, ‘what did i see to be except myself?’”

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‘Sonnet 94’ (1609) by William Shakespeare

They that have power to hurt and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmovèd, cold, and to temptation slow,
They rightly do inherit heaven’s graces
And husband nature’s riches from expense;
They are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others but stewards of their excellence.
The summer’s flower is to the summer sweet,
Though to itself it only live and die;
But if that flower with base infection meet,
The basest weed outbraves his dignity.
For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds.

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“It’s one of the moments of Western consciousness,” says Frederick Seidel, 90, the author of more than a dozen collections of poetry, including “So What” (2024). “Shakespeare knows and says what he knows.”

“It trombones magnificent, unbearable sorrow,” says Seidel.

“It’s smartass and bitter and bright,” says Seidel.

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Classic and Contemporary Literature From France, Japan, India, the U.K. and Brazil

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FRANCE

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According to the writer Leïla Slimani, 44, the author of ‘The Country of Others’ (2020).

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‘Essais de Montaigne’ (‘Essays of Montaigne,’ 1580)

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“France is a country of nuance with a love of conversation and freedom and an aversion to fanaticism. It’s also a country built on reflexive subjectivity. Montaigne reveals all that, writing, ‘I am myself the matter of my book.’”

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‘La Carte et le Territoire’ (‘The Map and the Territory,’ 2010) by Michel Houellebecq

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“Houellebecq describes France as a museum, where landscape turns into décor and where rural areas are emptying out. He shows the gap between the Parisian elite and the rest of the population, which he paints as aging and disoriented by modernity. It’s a melancholic and yet ironic novel about a disenchanted nation.”

JAPAN

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According to the writer Yoko Ogawa, 64, the author of ‘The Memory Police’ (1994).

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‘Man’yoshu’ (late eighth century)

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“‘Man’yoshu,’ the oldest extant collection of Japanese poetry, reflects a diversity of voices — from emperors to commoners. They bow their heads to the majesty of nature, weep at the loss of loved ones and find pathos in death. The pages pulse with the vitality of successive generations.”

Contemporary

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‘Tenohira no Shosetsu’ (‘Palm-of-the-Hand Stories,’ 1923-72) by Yasunari Kawabata

“The essence of Japanese literature might lie in brevity: waka [a classical 31-syllable poetry form], haiku and short stories. There’s a tradition of cherishing words that seem to well up from the depths of the heart, imbued with warmth. Kawabata, too, exudes more charm in his short stories — especially these very short ‘palm-of-the-hand’ stories — than in his full-length novels. Good and evil, beauty and ugliness, love and hate — everything is contained in these modest worlds.”

INDIA

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According to Aatish Taseer, 45, a T contributing writer and the author of ‘Stranger to History: A Son’s Journey Through Islamic Lands’ (2009).

Classic

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‘The Kumarasambhava’ (‘The Birth of Kumara,’ circa fifth century) by Kalidasa

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“This is an epic poem by the greatest of the classical Sanskrit poets and dramatists. The gods are in a pickle. They’re being tormented by a monster, but Shiva, their natural protector, is deep in meditation and cannot be disturbed. Kama, the god of love, armed with his flower bow, is sent down from the heavens to waken Shiva. Never a wise idea! The great god, in his fury, opens his third eye and incinerates Kama. But then, paradoxically, the death of the god of love engenders one of the greatest love stories ever told. In the final canto, Shiva and his wife, the goddess Parvati, have the most electrifying sex for days on end — and, 15 centuries on, in our now censorious time, it still leaves one agog at the sensual wonder that was India.”

Contemporary

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‘The Complex’ (2026) by Karan Mahajan

“This state-of-the-nation novel, which was published just last month, captures the squalor and malice of Indian family life. Delhi is both my and Mahajan’s hometown and, in this sprawling homage to India’s capital, we see it on the eve of the economic liberalization of the 1990s, as the old socialist city gives way to a megalopolis of ambition, greed and political cynicism.”

THE UNITED KINGDOM

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According to the writer Tessa Hadley, 70, the author of ‘The London Train’ (2011).

Classic

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‘Jane Eyre’ (1847) by Charlotte Brontë

“Written almost 200 years ago, it remains an insight into our collective soul — or at least its female part. Somewhere at the heart of us there’s a small girl in a wintry room, curled up in the window seat with a book, watching the lashing rain on the window glass: ‘There was no possibility of taking a walk that day. …’ Jane’s solemnity, her outraged sense of justice, her trials to come, the wild weather outside, her longing for something better, for love in her future: All this speaks, perhaps problematically, to something buried in the foundations of our idea of ourselves.”

Contemporary

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‘All That Man Is’ (2016) by David Szalay

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“Though he isn’t quite completely British (he’s part Canadian, part Hungarian), Szalay is brilliant at catching certain aspects of British men — aspects that haven’t been written about for a while, now updated for a new era. Funny, exquisitely observed and terrifying, this novel reminds us, too, how absolutely our fate and our identity as a nation belong with the rest of Europe.”

BRAZIL

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According to the writer and critic Noemi Jaffe, 64, the author of ‘What Are the Blind Men Dreaming?’ (2016).

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‘Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas’ (‘The Posthumous Memoirs of Brás Cubas,’ 1881) by Machado de Assis

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“Not only is it experimental in style — very short chapters mixed with long ones; different points of view; narrated by a corpse; metalinguistic — but it also introduces an extremely ironic view of the rising bourgeoisie in Rio de Janeiro at the time, revealing the hypocrisy of slave owners, the falsehood of love affairs and the only true reason for all social relationships: convenience and personal interest. After almost 150 years, it’s still modern, both formally and, unfortunately, also in content.”

Contemporary

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‘Onde Pastam os Minotauros’ (‘Where Minotaurs Graze,’ 2023) by Joca Reiners Terron

“The two main characters — Cão and Crente — along with some of their colleagues, plan to escape and set fire to the slaughterhouse where they work under exploitative conditions. The men develop sympathy for the animals they kill, and one of them becomes a sort of philosopher, revealing the sheer nonsense of existence and the injustices of society in the deepest parts of Brazil.”

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The Myth of Meeting Oneself

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“This is evident in Virgil’s ‘Aeneid’ (circa 30-19 B.C.) when Aeneas witnesses his own heroic actions depicted in murals of the Trojan War in Juno’s temple, and again in Miguel de Cervantes’s ‘Don Quixote’ (1605-15) when Quixote enters a printer’s shop and finds a book that has been published with fake details about his quest even as he’s living it,” says Ben Okri, 67, the author of “The Famished Road” (1991) and “Madame Sosostris and the Festival for the Brokenhearted” (2025). “In both stories, individuals throw themselves into the world and think they encounter objects, personae, obstacles and antagonists, but what they actually encounter is themselves. In our time, where our actions meet us in the echo chamber of social media, the process is magnified and swifter. Now a deed doesn’t even have to take place for it to enter the realm of reality.”

The Myth of Utopia

“I’ve always had trouble with the idea of utopia, feeling it derives its energy more from what it wishes to dismantle than what it wishes to enact,” says the T writer at large Aatish Taseer, 45, the author of “Stranger to History: A Son’s Journey Through Islamic Lands” (2009). “Ram Rajya, or the mythical rule of the hero Ram in the Hindu epic ‘Ramayana’ (seventh century B.C.-third century A.D.), like all visions of perfection, contains a built-in violence.”

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The Myth of Invisibility

“Invisibility bears power and powerlessness at the same time,” says Okri. “In ancient cultures, it was a gift of the gods. Jesus, for example, walks unrecognized among his disciples, and in Greek myths, Scandinavian legends and ancient African tales, heroes are gifted invisibility in the form of cloaks, sandals or spells. Modern works like the two ‘Invisible Man’ novels, by H.G. Wells (1897) and Ralph Ellison (1952), and the ‘Harry Potter’ novels (1997-2007) by J.K. Rowling reach back to those ideas. But today, people talk about visibility as the highest form of social agency, while invisibility can render a whole class, race, caste or gender unseen.”

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The Myth of Steadiness vs. Speed

Charles Henry Bennett’s illustration “The Hare and the Tortoise” (1857). Alamy

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“‘The Tortoise and the Hare,’ one of Aesop’s fables (sixth century B.C.), doesn’t necessarily strike a younger person as promising — possibly it has a whiff of morality in it,” says Yiyun Li, 53, the author of “A Thousand Years of Good Prayers” (2005) and “Dear Friend, From My Life I Write to You in Your Life” (2017). “But the longer I live and work, the more I understand that it’s the tortoiseness in a person that carries one along, not the swiftness of the mind and body of the hare.”

The Myth of Magic

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“Ancient magical tales like Homer’s ‘Odyssey’ (late eighth to early seventh century B.C.) were allegories of transformation, of secret teachings,” says Okri, “whereas modern forms of magic are narrative devices and tropes of storytelling that continue the child’s wonder of life. I think of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s ‘The Great Gatsby’ (1925), Gabriel García Márquez’s ‘One Hundred Years of Solitude’ (1967) and, again, the ‘Harry Potter’ books. The intuition of magic persists even in these atheistic and science-infested times, where nothing is to be believed if it can’t be subjected to analysis. This is perhaps because the ultimate magic confronts us every day in the mystery of consciousness. That we can see anything is magical; that we experience love is magical; and perhaps the most magical thing of all is the imagination’s unending power to alter the contents and coordinates of reality. It hides tenaciously in the act of reading, which is the most generative act of magic.”

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The Myth of the Immortal Soul

“ ‘The soul is birthless and eternal, imperishable and timeless and is not destroyed when the body is destroyed,’ says Krishna in the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ (second century-first century B.C.). This belief in the immortality of the soul — what used to be called Pythagoreanism in ancient Greece — is still the most pervasive myth in India,” says Taseer, “and has more influence over behavior and how one lives one’s life than any other.”

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